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« on: December 13, 2008, 09:49:00 pm »
I'm researching slip-ons.Does anybody have holeshot mufflers, do they make a difference in performance?  

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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2008, 10:36:00 pm »
holeshots and cobra's aren't worth the money, performance wise. bafflectomize your stockers and you'll make the same power. Ted Adcock did dyno runs to confirm this. Steve   Shleper of the 7th gear unit and performance exhaust cam sprockets.       My bike - "SHOODABEN" - 1109cc's of what an 04 concours "shoodaben"!
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2008, 01:01:00 am »
Thanks for your reply,but I have to watch out for the noise police.They are cracking down on rice burners.  

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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2008, 11:23:00 am »
  Want noise? buy a set of cobra's or holeshots. the bafflectomy is barely louder than stock mufflers. Many say they can't tell the diff. Steve   Shleper of the 7th gear unit and performance exhaust cam sprockets.       My bike - "SHOODABEN" - 1109cc's of what an 04 concours "shoodaben"!
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2008, 11:25:00 am »
Cracking down on rice burners?  We are not the ones making all the noise and somewhere there is a mountain of nothing but cruiser mufflers.      BTW my Conk was made in that bastion of rice Nebraska.  Respectfully Yours!  Wess Heavner  COG #8010 CDA #0239  
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2008, 05:39:00 pm »
1+ that the other slip ones are louder then the lecterme  ----------------------------------  I will answer any question.  It is up to you to figure out if I should have.    <p align="left">My Photos<br
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2008, 06:16:00 pm »
Yes, if you're worried about your bike being too loud, just ride with a group of cruisers, nobody'll even notice you.  
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2008, 07:54:00 pm »
The following is what I found for the Concours. There may be other systems but this was all I could find:     Holeshot:   http://holeshot.com/concours    Staintune (AU):   Staintune makes mufflers and collector pipes for the Concours:   http:www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/kawasaki/img/805c2.jpg   http:www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/kawasaki/img/805d5.jpg   http:www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/kawasaki/exhaust.html    Motad (UK):   (downpipes / crossover / canisters)  http://www.pbase.com/elvin315/image/26408505  http://www.pbase.com/elvin315/image/22111419   http://www.motad.co.uk/category.php?cat=N-eta&manu=Kawasaki (GTR1000)  N-eta Series:   GTR1000 Complete system   GTR1000 Pair of Silencers   GTR1000 Pipes & Collectors    Predator (UK)   (downpipes & crossover as well as canisters)   http://www.predatorexhaust.co.uk/unitrader/shop/product/KAWASAKI_GTR_1000_1986_99__ZGT00A___4_2_SPORTS_STAINLESS_STEEL__SYSTEM/1027  http://www.predatorexhaust.co.uk/unitrader/shop/product/KAWASAKI_GTR_1000_1986_99__ZGT00A___ROAD_LEGAL_STAINLESS_STEEL_SILENCERS_PAIR/910    Rivco Mufflers:  http://www.pbase.com/elvin315/image/65657847    Our friend Murph was developing a Concours exhaust canister. Not sure where it stands development-wise.   http://www.murphskits.com/muffler.jpg  http://www.murphskits.com/pipes/pipes.htm    FYEX (OEM canisters covers):  http://www.pbase.com/image/26456612   http://www.pbase.com/image/26456613   http://www.targa-acc.com/cgi-bin/products.cgi?name=upc_code&value=33-49010&format=3    Concours/Ontario 4-1 System by Jim Snyder.  http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/43358/2242143010089415519S500x500Q85.jpg  http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/42470/2427956940089415519S500x500Q85.jpg    Modified OEM Canisters:   http://www.pbase.com/elvin315/image/36672904     Kawasaki ZX10 Canisters:   http://www.pbase.com/elvin315/image/32981656  http://www.pbase.com/elvin315/image/32981658  http://www.pbase.com/elvin315/image/32981659    Hayabusa Canisters:  http://www.pbase.com/elvin315/image/45620062    Check with Jardine, Supertrapp, Kerker, D&D. It's possible that any slipons for the Ninja1000R, ZX10, or ZX11 might fit the Concours with some modifications to the mounting tabs or brackets. I've seen Concours with exhaust canisters not specified for the bike but it's strictly DIY. Changing to non-Concours specific pipes is harder but anything is possible with enough blood, sweat, and money.    Ceramic Coatings:   If you want to improve the performance and appearance of the original pipes there are several ceramic coatings available. The coating improves the thermal efficiency of the exhaust system, the cylinder scavenging, and cuts the under fairing temperature.   http://www.pbase.com/elvin315/image/35553690   http://www.pbase.com/elvin315/image/32981655   http://www.performancecoatings.com/headercoatings.html   http://www.jet-hot.com/   http://www.hpcoatings.com/motorcycle.htm   http://www.zircotec.com/dir/11.php  http://www.hyperkote.com    PS: Cobra is out of the Sport Bike/Sport Tour market now. They only make Tourer and Cruiser exhaust now.  
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2008, 11:13:00 am »
Elvin, you master of the links you.  Good to see you poke your head in.  Did you get your computer woos under control?  ----------------------------------  I will answer any question.  It is up to you to figure out if I should have.    <p align="left">My Photos<br
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2008, 02:10:00 pm »
does a baffelectomy acutally do anything other than change or increase the sound, it there a notable performance gain?  

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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2008, 02:37:00 pm »
If I remember correctly the first reports were that it helped reduce vibrations through the bike.    ----------------------------------  I will answer any question.  It is up to you to figure out if I should have.    <p align="left">My Photos<br
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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2008, 09:49:00 pm »
Quote:does a baffelectomy acutally do anything other than change or increase the sound, it there a notable performance gain?      Please read the second post again...I think it answers your question.  
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2011, 08:41:04 pm »
Hi All:

I did much of the same research Elvin has shown above. One other manufacturer of a complete Connie Exhaust System was BSM of the Netherlands, but they have gone out of business. I have just installed a MOTAD N-Eta exhaust system on my '94 Connie "Burgundy Beast" along with a stage one jet kit and a set of GPZ1000 cams. The difference in sound is somewhat noticeable (Euro-spec system), but more or less equal between the cams and the exhaust themselves. The performance and throttle response however, are both quite a lot better, even in the low rpm ranges, much less mid and upper ranges when the Connie comes on the cams. The pipes are very nicely made with extremely sturdy black chrome cannisters and collector pipe, and the initial fit was quite good not requiring very much tweaking to install them. The U.S. distributor is Annitori Distributing Ltd. 265 Jamie Lane, Wauconda IL 60084  888-963-1212 info@Annitori.com  and I conversed a lot with Josh who was very helpful in the ordering process. I told him I would inform COG of this exhaust system upgrade and send him any business this note might generate. Regards, Jim Exum
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2011, 08:50:12 pm »
Thanks for the post Jim. I like the pipes. They look like they fit nice on the C10.

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2011, 10:09:57 pm »
Hi All:

I did much of the same research Elvin has shown above. One other manufacturer of a complete Connie Exhaust System was BSM of the Netherlands, but they have gone out of business. I have just installed a MOTAD N-Eta exhaust system on my '94 Connie "Burgundy Beast" along with a stage one jet kit and a set of GPZ1000 cams. The difference in sound is somewhat noticeable (Euro-spec system), but more or less equal between the cams and the exhaust themselves. The performance and throttle response however, are both quite a lot better, even in the low rpm ranges, much less mid and upper ranges when the Connie comes on the cams. The pipes are very nicely made with extremely sturdy black chrome cannisters and collector pipe, and the initial fit was quite good not requiring very much tweaking to install them. The U.S. distributor is Annitori Distributing Ltd. 265 Jamie Lane, Wauconda IL 60084  888-963-1212 info@Annitori.com  and I conversed a lot with Josh who was very helpful in the ordering process. I told him I would inform COG of this exhaust system upgrade and send him any business this note might generate. Regards, Jim Exum

Jim:

An interesting and useful post, especially as I am considering making a change myself.

Any chance of posting a sound clip on the forum so we know what the MOTAD system sounds like?

Also, what was the cost of the complete system?


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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2011, 11:43:37 pm »
Now my bike is a little bit modded, so it's not like I'm down on mods - but I have to wonder why anyone would spend hundreds on the exhaust system when there's no appreciable increase in performance, and it's just noisy. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but can someone explain that to me? I just don't get it - steve
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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2011, 02:50:08 am »
Loud pipes save lives???    :D
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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2011, 06:30:02 am »
Maybe they just want a different look on the bike. Or there could be the possibility that the original pipes could be damaged. Maybe a tip over, crash or even rust. I can think of a lot of reasons why folks would want the pipes. I personally prefer quieter pipes myself (in great condition). I have replaced cans just because of a dent. Yes I'm a little too over the top. But I like my vehicle clean, shiny  and in as good of condition as possible. So something like rust or a dent could and has caused me to replace the can. Although I will note that I normally try to find the OEM pipe when reasonable and possible. Mainly because they're quiet.  ;)

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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2011, 11:56:18 am »
 Factory oem mufflers are all over the place, they can be found in good condition, and cheap. They can be cleaned up and powder coated like Dan Bergmen's. I have a single zx9 oem muffler on my bike, but it's because I built a 4-2-1 from the head out and it's a single outlet exhaust. It's lighter than the stock system, but the dyno results are equal to a stock system, so for a connie I wouldn't even bother offering them for sale. In my mind, a mod that cost hundreds of dollars better DO something better than stock or it's just not worth it. Steve
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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2011, 06:56:17 pm »
Hi Simon:

Afraid I am not equipped to add a sound bite to my post, but suffice it to say that the sound is a bit more pleasing than stock, yet will not wake the dead as so many others will. As I noted above, the change in cams contributes a "lobing" quality in addition to slightly more growl than stock due to strict Euro-specs on exhaust sound.

As for price, about $800 USD plus shipping unless you can work out a deal with them as I did. Feel free to ref me as I have had quite a long relationship with Josh at Annitori. Also, that price does not include 6 gaskets (4 header pipes, 2 cans), the Stage 1 jet kit and installation.

All that being said, it is a bit of money for a bit better sound and considerably better throttle response and moderate horsepower gain which is a little hard to pin down due to the addition of the hotter cams. But I have never been afraid to spend some money to make my Connie stand out from the crowd in subtle ways as I have, and there are not a lot of ways to do that with a Connie with the small amount of useful aftermarket stuff available. Hell, you should see what i have done to my 1978 KZ-650B1 which I have owned since 1980 with over 380,000 miles on the clock. It is now a VERY highly customized street, strip and show bike with the ORIGINAL bottom end!!!

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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2012, 05:53:00 am »
Hi Simon:

Afraid I am not equipped to add a sound bite to my post, but suffice it to say that the sound is a bit more pleasing than stock, yet will not wake the dead as so many others will. As I noted above, the change in cams contributes a "lobing" quality in addition to slightly more growl than stock due to strict Euro-specs on exhaust sound.

As for price, about $800 USD plus shipping unless you can work out a deal with them as I did. Feel free to ref me as I have had quite a long relationship with Josh at Annitori. Also, that price does not include 6 gaskets (4 header pipes, 2 cans), the Stage 1 jet kit and installation.

All that being said, it is a bit of money for a bit better sound and considerably better throttle response and moderate horsepower gain which is a little hard to pin down due to the addition of the hotter cams. But I have never been afraid to spend some money to make my Connie stand out from the crowd in subtle ways as I have, and there are not a lot of ways to do that with a Connie with the small amount of useful aftermarket stuff available. Hell, you should see what i have done to my 1978 KZ-650B1 which I have owned since 1980 with over 380,000 miles on the clock. It is now a VERY highly customized street, strip and show bike with the ORIGINAL bottom end!!!

Hope this helps, Jim


Jim:

Yes, it does help, so thanks very much.

I'm starting my mods with SISF's carb. rebuild + exhaust cam sprocket. Can't wait for March.

How about a pic of your 1978 KZ-650B1?


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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2012, 10:45:16 pm »
Here is my 1978 KZ650B1 owned since 1980 with over 380,000 AMA registered miles on the clock with the original bottom end. It took quite a few years and major $$$ to pull it off. Enjoy a few pix including its slightly modified 1982 condition and the story behind it all. Jim
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2012, 12:31:39 am »
Factory oem mufflers are all over the place, they can be found in good condition, and cheap. They can be cleaned up and powder coated like Dan Bergmen's. I have a single zx9 oem muffler on my bike, but it's because I built a 4-2-1 from the head out and it's a single outlet exhaust. It's lighter than the stock system, but the dyno results are equal to a stock system, so for a connie I wouldn't even bother offering them for sale. In my mind, a mod that cost hundreds of dollars better DO something better than stock or it's just not worth it. Steve

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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2012, 01:54:47 am »

I sure wish I could find another one of those ZX9 mufflers. I really liked the way it looked.

Did you do a 4-1 or duals?  what gen ZX9?
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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2012, 06:39:00 pm »

I sure wish I could find another one of those ZX9 mufflers. I really liked the way it looked.

Did you do a 4-1 or duals?  what gen ZX9?

I did a 4 in 1 with the ZX-9 muffler, it was the first one I built. When  I went to the Delkevic
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