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Answer to handlebar vibes?
« on: August 26, 2013, 09:56:16 am »
I know SISF was working on anti vibration mounts for the C10, I think this might be the answer for some of us. I already have a Storz bolt on 7/8 handle bar mount on my rare things  shelf. These are ROX products. For the money who knows?
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2013, 06:24:21 pm »
Well, I found them on Amazon for 120.00 shipped. I will have to make spacer blocks in order for my Storz 7/8 bar adapters to accomodate the hardware that protrudes from the bottom of the Rox Riser. Keep you informed as I make progress. I currently have a set of tall Genmar risers in place and am hoping to find a set of bars thar replicate the current bar position. Very happy with it, although it seems to have more hi-frequency vibes than the 90. The 06 is smoother down low, so I hope this is the road to sucess.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2013, 10:30:56 am »
AM, I tried to open the pix, but they wouldn't enlarge to see what you've got going on there. do you have a link to a bigger pic somewhere? BTW, I bailed on my adapter because the prices for manufacture were just to high. not that it's elaborate, but the prices I was getting tor the clamps was outrageous. Steve
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2013, 11:55:50 am »
I did as much research as possible and read all the reviews I could find. The results were positive to luke warm but nothing negative. Like most every thing else adapted to the c10 I am pretty sure there will be a fair amount of finageling to make them work. It appears as though they will increase the range of adjustability to some extent, however what I am going for is some relief on my CT plagued mitts. Even my Wing aggravates my hands after a few hours. So, if it gives me some added relief it will be money well spent. Thanks WillyP for posting a better description.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2013, 12:12:49 pm »
I am very interested in this. Vibes are my last real gripe with the C10.

I have done some research on vibe isolation and implemented a few of my own designs but nothing I've done so far has eliminated them. I can lesson the vibes and make them occur at lower or higher RPMs, just not make them go away completely.  ;D

This seems like a very similar solution to what SISF came up with, as far as I can tell from his pictures. I was heading that way myself.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2013, 01:00:33 pm »
That was the primary reason I bought the Storz mount back when I did. I was hoping to use electric motor isolators in a fashion similar to the Rox mount. I could never find a mount with enough density not to allow excess movement or twist of my riser. I won't even touch on how ugly the prototype was. They are slated to arrive around the 3rd of Sept. I hope to have my bar selection by then. There are limited choices locally, so I may have to make a trip to San Antonio. Internet bar selection is a shot in the dark at best.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2013, 01:13:00 pm »
I was looking at the post that WillyP put up and saw that it was for a 80.00 dollar solid mount riser. The isolated one sells for 120.00. THE REVIEW of the 80.00 dollar unit says it is misleading. Please make sure you check into the correct ANTIVIBRATION RISER.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2013, 01:23:24 pm »
Here's a link to Rox's web page for these:

http://roxspeedfx.com/product/2in-elite-anti-vibration-risers-fat-bars.htm

I looked into these, but decided my vibration wasn't bad enough to justify the expense.  The isolators look very similar to SISF's design.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2013, 02:06:00 pm »
I agree that it won't be a cheap fix and may not be a fix at all. This much I do know, just as our c10's produce different levels of vibration, some people are more sensitive to a particular level then others. Two sons have ridden my 90, one can ride it all day without issue. The other won't ride it at all after a couple thirty minute jaunts. I want to enjoy my C10 so it is a gamble worth taking. If it helps someone with the same physical issues that I have, well that is just icing on the cake. I would have prefered to have a cogger set up on my bike but I can certainly understand knowing when to cut yoir losses or in this case not to incurr any at all. Good decision on Steves part I believe. I am willing to be the test mule on this one. I am having fun spending my kids inheritance. ;-)
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2013, 07:33:59 pm »
Related question, Does the vibes of your C10 cause or aggravate athritis like pain?  Two of my left fingers almost always ache now that I am back riding my C10 regularly and one of the only things I can trace it to is increasing mileage on Miss Swail.

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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2013, 09:03:49 pm »
Although I do have some signs of arthritis starting to show, in all honesty the biggest issue I have is may hands just go numb after awhile. Using a throttle lock and relaxing my grip helps, but it sure would be nice to not have to rely on that approach. With that being said, even my Wing numbs my hands after a while, so I cannot blame it entirely on the Connie, next time I change the air filter on the wing pig I will look into a lighter return spring for the throttle body in hope of reducing the fatigue.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2013, 12:01:15 am »
That was the primary reason I bought the Storz mount back when I did. I was hoping to use electric motor isolators in a fashion similar to the Rox mount. I could never find a mount with enough density not to allow excess movement or twist of my riser. I won't even touch on how ugly the prototype was. They are slated to arrive around the 3rd of Sept. I hope to have my bar selection by then. There are limited choices locally, so I may have to make a trip to San Antonio. Internet bar selection is a shot in the dark at best.

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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2013, 01:22:02 am »
Thanks gPinK, I think the Buell touring might just be in the ball park. I will be doing some calculations to see what I need. I have some options including using the base from the GenMars. Cool.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2013, 01:32:55 am »
That was the primary reason I bought the Storz mount back when I did. I was hoping to use electric motor isolators in a fashion similar to the Rox mount. I could never find a mount with enough density not to allow excess movement or twist of my riser. I won't even touch on how ugly the prototype was. They are slated to arrive around the 3rd of Sept. I hope to have my bar selection by then. There are limited choices locally, so I may have to make a trip to San Antonio. Internet bar selection is a shot in the dark at best.


I have a set of these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Honda-CB700-Nighthawk-handle-bars-cb-700-84-85-86-handlebars-stock-/171112363858?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3AHonda&hash=item27d7177752&vxp=mtr

They offer adjustment for pullback, which is nice to get the right angle for your wrists.  Along with the Rox risers, they would give quite a bit of adjustment. 
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2013, 09:58:20 am »
Is that what use are currently using GF? How do they compare to the stock bar position, were you able to duplicate the angle?
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2013, 12:13:38 pm »
Would a cheeper and/or easier solution to this problem be a good pair of gloves? Anybody have any suggestions/thoughts?
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2013, 02:31:48 pm »
Is that what use are currently using GF? How do they compare to the stock bar position, were you able to duplicate the angle?

Yes, these are what I'm using, but I actually like my bars to be flatter (straighter) than the stock bars so I have them pushed forward.  You can see what I mean in the attached photo.  You should be able to get really close to the stock angle with the Nighthawk bars and the Rox risers, though.  Each side of the bars pivots independently and there is a pin that limits how much they can pivot, but the pin can be ground down to get even more range of motion.  I know of another rider who also used these with a ZX9 front end, and he was pleased that he was able to get very close to the stock position.

Would a cheeper and/or easier solution to this problem be a good pair of gloves? Anybody have any suggestions/thoughts?

I have a nice set of gel gloves along with foam grips over gel grips and I still notice the vibrations enough that my hands sometimes feel "buzzy" after a long ride.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2013, 01:22:33 am »
Looks sweet Gary, I pulled the trigger on the bars that were on EBay, and you are right. After digging thru every Nighthawk S thread to get the specs as far as spread and overall width I decided that this might be a reasonably priced alternative. Thanks. And to think that I probably sold 50-60 of the danged things as a salesman for Space Center Honda in Clear Lake TX back when they were introduced. Blue over black was my favorite, I don't know what they were thinking when they did the funkadelic triple decal overlay on the last year. Oh well. What exhaust cans are you running? They look good.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2013, 01:45:12 am »
The cans are 18" Delkevics.  I bought a used set for a ZX14 and made connector pipes from the ZX14 pipes.  They sound great, especially at WOT   :motonoises:

I think you'll really like the setup with the Rox's and Nighthawk bars.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2013, 02:24:55 am »
For vibration control I've Throttlemeister on several bikes (BMW, Aprilia, Moto Guzzi, Can Am) with success. If you don't want the throttle control you can just get 2 left ends and mount them. I'm using the 14oz. :great:



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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2013, 12:01:08 pm »
I have the HVMP 17 oz. bar end weights and still feel the buzz after a while. Again, it is probably more me than the majority of folks out there. Perhaps the CT couple with Bursitis and coupled with just plain gettin' up there is the culprit. I am not looking to make a sewing machine out of her, I just want to be able to enjoy a day in the saddle without relying on Hydrocodone to get me through the next day.
Now what is interesting is that the 90 that I am replacing with the current bike, seems considerably smoother than I remember (before bending all the intake valves yesterday morning, automatic cam chain tension my ***) when I rode it. However I had thoroughly messaged those carbs, ignition etc. and perhaps I just didn't remember how rough it was in the beginning. Not unlike my present steed. 
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2013, 01:33:00 am »
First let me give thanks to SISF for making me realize there was something better to be had for our trusty mounts. I recall when someone challenged his rubber mounted upper tree by saying that why would anyone spend money on something a pair of foam rubber grips could duplicate. Steve's only response was "not even close". To this I say CHEERS, SISF. For the first time since I began building a bike for "me", I got on it to check the results of my work and simply put, I did not want to stop riding this evening. What a rush to really start enjoying the charisma of the bike and the 17" wheel conversion. There are things to make better, I need to narrow the Nighthawk S bars that GF-in-CA recommended (thank you very much as well Gary) however the bars highlight the responsiveness of the wheel conversion. The bars are almost tiller like, especially after welding in the nuts to accept the HVMP bar end weights. Ever hear anyone say a Connie felt light and agile? Man, I don't even know where to begin. I always thought the brake upgrades were the money best spent for these bikes, however I will say that this will match it for value anytime. I have a set of ZZR1200 rotors and six piston ZX6 calipers sitting here as I type this and all I can think of is I hope I stop riding long enough to install them. Ya, its that good.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2013, 09:32:13 am »
yup, it's a big improvement! glad you got your sorted out, once the brakes get on there you're going to be really surprised at how much of a change this all makes to the old tech connie!  :beerchug: Steve
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2013, 09:18:12 pm »
Related question, Does the vibes of your C10 cause or aggravate athritis like pain?  Two of my left fingers almost always ache now that I am back riding my C10 regularly and one of the only things I can trace it to is increasing mileage on Miss Swail.

Pretty crappy if so.  :(

I took a 4K+ mile trip back in May, my two left most fingers were numb for weeks and I can just now feel the tip of my ring finger.  I looked it up on the internet and, if I understand it properly, this nerve is in your elbow.