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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2013, 09:24:33 pm »
AirMonger, glad you like the bars, Dan Bergmen is the one who turned me on to them   :beerchug:
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2013, 10:13:33 pm »
Looks like you used the tubular bar adapters, is that right?


I too have some problems with my hands and anything that can limit the vibes would be great.


I have a set of the older style Helibars on my bike, seems like the ROX rig might fit right onto that if I am not mistaken. Anyone with any thoughts on that?

So the review of the ROX Riser is pretty positive AM?



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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2013, 10:16:49 pm »

I have a set of the older style Helibars on my bike, seems like the ROX rig might fit right onto that if I am not mistaken. Anyone with any thoughts on that?


Yes, you're correct, the mount for the Helibars will mount any 7/8" bars, including the 7/8" Rox risers.  HTH,
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2013, 01:41:13 am »
A little update, day two of the mod. First let me say that if you combine these mounts with a Madstad windscreen, you are probably going to drive yourself crazy with adjusting everything. He He He. Ok, I finished the preliminary install well after dark, my first ride certainly was a revelation of sorts. Not perfect, but a ten fold improvement in the cast solid mount bars. I still had some heavy buzz at speeds over 75mph but to be honest, I had to go looking for it. What I discovered when I got home from work today, is that I had the center bolt of one the isolators touching the Storz superbike mount ever so slightly. I adjusted it for clearance and went for another ride. Not bad, not bad at all, heads and shoulders above the stockers. Knowing that I have not done everything that needs to be done since acquiring this 06, there can only be room for improvement. I have not checked valve clearance and the bike has 13K on the clock. The carbs still have the factory yellow metal marker on the carb sync adjuster springs, so if I can slow down my work schedule long enough to address these basic maintenance requirements it can only get better from here. Would I spend the money again, knowing what I know now? Damn right. Rox rocks. Period. ****As A note**** If you look at the pictures of the Storz bar mounts that I have posted, you will see the shiny aluminum spacers that I fabricated at the base of the risers. These were necessary to allow for clearance of the ROX risers in relation to the Storz base plates. I actually need to install another spacer (I fabricated eight of them) but will have to find the correct length Cap bolt in order to do so. This will eliminate the chance of the Rox riser hardware coming back into contact with the adapter. This is a work in progress, bear with me.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2013, 03:56:31 am »
I see what you mention now! Can you give us a measurement from the center of the knob that goes into the storz adapter to the bottom of the bolt on the rox to give an idea of the clearance?


It would be nice to know before investing in a set to give an idea of how much work might be involved.


Thanks for the review and your work on this!


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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2013, 09:39:47 am »
Ed Mac, I will get those measurements this afternoon if I don't have to pull a double at work. You could work around the spacer issue by rotating the risers fore or aft to gain the needed clearance. I fabricated the spacer out of 3/16 aluminum scrap that I had laying around. Very easy work. If needed I can drop a couple in the mail and you can see if they will work for you. I have plenty of extras. Not sure if the they would be universal to your mounts or not. The mounts on the Storz adapter are two piece as you can see in the pics. One set of Storz that I had a long time ago had the bottom portion of the clamp cast into the adapter. It looked a lot like the KB that Murph sells. If it looks like your base plate would allow for the use of the spacers let me know. 
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2013, 12:19:25 pm »
Huh, if guys are willing to buy a bar adapter, then these ROX units, they're spending a bit of money. Maybe when the feedback was given on my anti-vibe mount pricing it was with "wishful thinking". GF in CA is coming over tomorrow and I'm lending him Shoodaben for a ride, we'll see what he thinks of the setup- Steve
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2013, 01:48:35 pm »
Ok, here's my .02 worth...or should I say $$$$$ worth.

I've done all that stuff...Storz...Rox...new brake line...etc, etc.

I've also taken a rosebud torch to the Flanders Daytona bars, and "adjusted" them to what I think is a more natural hand position.

Got the Throttlemisters CC.

Bought the Beemer Buddy hand grips....sold them. Made my hands hurt real bad. Once removed, hands quit hurting.

Bought another set of handlebars...adjusted them with pipe bender...haven't installed them yet....and may not.

Bought some Grip Puppies....ripped them trying to install...No way were they the size that "they said" would fit my grips.

This morning I wrapped the grips with some bycyle grip wraps and we'll see if that works....probably won't.

I wear gel gloves, and I think that is where it is going to stop.

Sometimes the vibes are there and sometimes there not.

I'm not throwing anymore money away trying to git rid of something that is not going to go away.

Now, if you want to know how I got rid of the heat from under the seat....let me know.

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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2013, 02:13:47 pm »
I agree. They will never go away. I am not trying to make that happen. What I am doing or have done, is manage them to a point were long stints on the bike are a reality for me. Steve, I weighed in when you were polling folks and I said at that time that I would be willing to step up to the plate if your idea came to production. What price comfort? The majority of us here on this site remember when A/C was an expensive option for automobiles. How many of us checked that box when it came time to buy a new vehicle? How many underdash add on units were sold to equip cars thar didn't have air from the factory. There was an entire industry built around that. Granted the audience for this type product is small, but anyone that is exposed to the level of vibration reduction that this mod addresses would certainly admit that the expense would be dwarfed by the reward. SISF I firmly believe that if you can find a reasonable source for manufacturing and do bring your idea to market, they will come. It is going to be interesting to hear what Gary has to say.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2013, 02:40:56 pm »
it's sounding like the only fix for this is a C-14. :truce:
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2013, 02:54:54 pm »
I hear they are giving those away too.  ;D I fixed mine. For me. Isn't that what really matters?
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2013, 03:39:25 pm »
Yeah, the Nighthawk S bars are the beez neez fur shur



I added foam grips that really help. Also, the V65 Sabre has similar bars only taller (same adjustment knuckle).

Also, nobody has mentioned the world famous 7th gear mod which I think has done the most regarding softening of the vibes at freeway speeds.

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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2013, 04:28:42 pm »
Maybe we're looking at this all wrong. Free hand massage?  :motonoises:
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2013, 04:38:06 pm »
Dan, they are a great addition. I may have inadvertantly created another problem for myself. With the risers and the bars inplace I sit more upright behind the windscreen. Almost out of the protection area. I am experiencing a little more turbulance than befor. Again, more experimenting with bar positioning may solve this. I may be in the market to replace my Givi screen with the Laminar lip. MadStad? I have a spare bevel drive as well as cams for future projects. Need to put my 90 back together and get it sold before I spend anymore money on this old bird.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2013, 02:04:33 am »
Huh, if guys are willing to buy a bar adapter, then these ROX units, they're spending a bit of money. Maybe when the feedback was given on my anti-vibe mount pricing it was with "wishful thinking". GF in CA is coming over tomorrow and I'm lending him Shoodaben for a ride, we'll see what he thinks of the setup- Steve


Any new thoughts on resurrecting your mount Steve?  The ROX setup may work good, but the adapter mounted on an adapter look just doesn't do it for me.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2013, 10:02:00 am »
Huh, if guys are willing to buy a bar adapter, then these ROX units, they're spending a bit of money. Maybe when the feedback was given on my anti-vibe mount pricing it was with "wishful thinking". GF in CA is coming over tomorrow and I'm lending him Shoodaben for a ride, we'll see what he thinks of the setup- Steve


Any new thoughts on resurrecting your mount Steve?  The ROX setup may work good, but the adapter mounted on an adapter look just doesn't do it for me.

  Only if I find a machinist willing to do then less expensively! Gf in CA rode my bike last saturday, and I know he was still having issues with his hands after about 40 miles. Since doing the isolator bars I don't have any issues, so I think it also come down to our personal tolerance of the vibes, and maybe how "worn out" our hands / wrists are. I would be up a creek, so to say, if I sold these anti-vibe mounts, and folks still had issues. Steve
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2013, 10:10:14 am »
I am curious as to GF's take on Steve's set up as well. Did he have an opportunity to ride Shoodaben?

I will be the first to say that the aesthetics of the Rox risers leave much to be desired, and I am the guy that dropped the money to have to look at it. Fortunately function over form won out on this one, however cleaning up the appearance is just another challenge. It works really well for ME. It looks cluttered and confusing to everyone. Alas, the wheel change and the isolators have changed the personality of the bike so much that I don't even think of it being a C10 any more.

Ok, now I get to be pointed out as a hypocrite as well because I slammed the Madstad windscreen for being ugly. Well the seating position of the bike now dictates getting better wind protection so I ordered one on Monday. I know, I know :truce:. I guess the next test is a 2500 mile road trip to Springfield Mo and all over Arkansas in October. Guess I will have to start calling it the Red Headed Step Child now.   
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2013, 11:52:11 am »
Sorry Steve. I posted my question about GF a nano second after you. I didn't even get the pink window telling me to check my post. Bummer.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2013, 02:45:48 pm »
Now, if you want to know how I got rid of the heat from under the seat....let me know.

Do tell!  I'd love to know how to crank the temperature down a few notches.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2013, 03:41:20 pm »
Huh, if guys are willing to buy a bar adapter, then these ROX units, they're spending a bit of money. Maybe when the feedback was given on my anti-vibe mount pricing it was with "wishful thinking". GF in CA is coming over tomorrow and I'm lending him Shoodaben for a ride, we'll see what he thinks of the setup- Steve


Any new thoughts on resurrecting your mount Steve?  The ROX setup may work good, but the adapter mounted on an adapter look just doesn't do it for me.

  Only if I find a machinist willing to do then less expensively! Gf in CA rode my bike last saturday, and I know he was still having issues with his hands after about 40 miles. Since doing the isolator bars I don't have any issues, so I think it also come down to our personal tolerance of the vibes, and maybe how "worn out" our hands / wrists are. I would be up a creek, so to say, if I sold these anti-vibe mounts, and folks still had issues. Steve

As Steve said, I rode his bike with the isolated bar mounts on Saturday, and I did notice about the same amount of vibration that I currently have.  I was riding without gloves and Steve's grips are firmer than mine, so if I had my gel gloves and foam over gel grips, it probably would have been smoother.  Since my bars are mounted rigidly, my guess is that I would notice an improvement if I had isolated mounts on mine, base on Steve's testimony.  For information, I experience some slight tingling after longer rides, but it has never been enough to make my hands numb, nor do I experience any pain in my hands or wrists as a result of the vibrations.  In fact, I am pretty happy overall with where the vibrations are on my bike now.

The other aspect I was curious about was whether the softer mounts would be noticeable when giving steering input, and I can say I didn't notice the handlebars flexing.  I did notice some overall flexibility in the front end, but that is because of the difference in the torsional stiffness between my ZX9 forks and Steve's stock forks.

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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2013, 03:47:29 pm »
Yeah, my grips ar thick, hard rubber football shaped deals. I love the shape, but they don't help quell vibes at all - steve
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2013, 09:30:57 pm »
I'm sure nothing will totally eliminate the vibes for every bike.  Some of the posts I've read here say they have no vibes at all.  Mine isn't bad, but if I'm going to convert to regular bars, I'd like the option of more vibe elimination.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2013, 12:50:09 am »
I could not agree more about not being able to do away with the vibes. Mine are still there and as an interesting note, I feel them thru the foot pegs a little more now. I think that is because my hands have stopped buzzing enough to notice other things. This much I do know, I actually wake up looking forward to riding to work, and at work I think about the ride home more, and actually look for reasons to run chores on the bike. That speaks for itself. The bike is more enjoyable. My Madstad made it's way onto the bike this evening. The jury is still out on that one. I need to get the 90 back together and ride the Givi+Laminar set up back to back. I will say this, the GF said it looks more modern and she likes it. Guess I am just old school but since I have brought it along this far, I might as well relax and take in the benefits. It is all still a hoot being able to reap the rewards of everyone's experiences here. Thanks a million.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2013, 10:33:36 pm »
I had a set of triple clamps from my son's old 04 rm85 and have cut the bar clamps with risers off of the setup, drilled and counter-bored them to accept a cap bolt. I am going to use them to adapt 7/8 bars to my connie top clamp. I am going to test a few rubber compounds under them and totally isolate the clamps from making contact directly with the bike. It is simple and will work. Once finished I will post pics. Oh heck, I could probably snap some pics of the clamps and how they turned out. Just need to get bars to complete it.
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Re: Answer to handlebar vibes?
« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2013, 11:51:14 pm »
Git It! Loving it, just loving it. I hope that someone at some point and time comes up with the perfect solution, using discarded or unwanted parts. Myself, my set up ain't so pretty. But it does help tremendously with my physical limitations. I really would like to see a clean, well sorted application for the masses. Good luck and lets see some pics!
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