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Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« on: September 13, 2013, 08:31:22 pm »
Hey everyone! I'm not quite sure how many of you are familiar with MC Enterprises or the tip-over bars called Canyon Cages for the 1400 Concours.  Anyway, it's getting into our slow season so we're looking for "new" bikes to bring in and fit up parts for. Due to the success of our products for the 1400, I was wondering if there was much interest for a similar product for the C10. What do you guys think? Is it something that should be considered or should I start looking at some other bikes instead?

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2013, 09:17:27 pm »
Hey Ryan, these have been around for a while. Your company did a great job with the C14. Is there something that would top these?

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2013, 09:35:07 pm »
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2013, 09:50:46 pm »
Hey Ryan, these have been around for a while. Your company did a great job with the C14. Is there something that would top these?

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2013, 10:24:32 pm »
Depending on the bottom line, I would be interested.
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2013, 11:04:45 pm »
I like styling of the C-14 bars and would be interested in seeing what can be done for my C-10.
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2013, 01:19:58 am »
I would be interested in something that can slide a little and resist bending.
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2013, 04:35:12 am »
If the price is right, I'm interested.
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2013, 05:40:08 am »
Right price and style would be a yes. I waited for Murph to get back inventory for the fronts, but haven't pulled the trigger yet because I'm still not sure I like the look and it's a lot to give it a try...



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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2013, 06:25:11 am »
I'd much rather have something closer to the looks of the C14 bars than those big hoops on the C10.. Count me in as interested
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2013, 07:34:00 am »
If they will survive a tipover , definately ! I love my Murphs bars. And the look of them but sounds like they bend most of the time in a tipover .
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2013, 12:22:50 pm »
I'd be curious to see a concept. The problem with something sleek like on the C14 is that the C10s are wide at the top of the fairing where the 14s are wide at the bottom. It would be hard to protect things like mirrors and saddlebags that stick out farther than the protection! JMHO (from a guy who's done a LOT of plastic repair!)
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2013, 07:46:42 pm »
Very interested.
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2013, 12:48:00 pm »
Interested....

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2013, 06:29:30 pm »
I'm glad to see so much interest! If we do indeed move ahead with protection for this bike, you can be assured that it'll be done the right way. I was checking out those other bars offered through Murph and our pricing would certainly be competitive with that. Our current guards for the 1400 Concours are already pretty close and, just by looking, it appears as though the guards for the 1000 would be a tad easier and thus less expensive for us to make (and you to purchase!). Of course, things may change once we get the bike in here and get a better idea of what we're working with.

If we do decide to bring this bike in and get something fit up, I'll definitely be putting the build process on the forum again like we did with the 1400. I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with our build threads but it's a great way for the community to offer ideas and opinions and then watch as the guards evolve through the prototyping and design stages utilizing those very ideas. Designing products this way has helped us come up with some really awesome stuff over the last few years because it's essentially shaped by the community that uses them which helps us come up with great-looking, functional products.

I'll do a bit more research, talk to the powers that be, and see if we can work on locating a bike to bring in. I'll certainly keep you all posted with how it goes. With that said, if any of you live in the So. Cal. area (or know someone who does) and are willing to give up your bike for a few weeks it'd really make our life a bit easier. Keep in mind, we always give whoever loans us the bike a complete set of guards on the house for their trouble!

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2013, 07:24:19 pm »
 :great: Looking forward to watching this develop! Make sue you provide a link for us.  ;D

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2013, 07:36:16 pm »
:great: Looking forward to watching this develop! Make sue you provide a link for us.  ;D

I'll certainly post a link to the build thread here if/when we begin. However, the build thread will be located right here in this same section of the forum (the C10 Accessories section) so keep an eye out for something along the lines of "C10 Canyon Cage Design/Build Thread".

I have a quick question regarding the C10, though. Regarding only the latest model, can anyone tell me what years it ran through (i.e. 2010-2013 for the 1400 Concours)?
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2013, 07:42:12 pm »
The C10 ran 1986 to 2006.  There was a slight model change in 1994 where some of the fairing stays, front end and dash were different from prior years.  If mounting through the standard air holes I don't think this should be an issue since I'd guess you are heading deep to the frame or the engine mounts.

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2013, 07:58:26 pm »
The C10 ran 1986 to 2006.  There was a slight model change in 1994 where some of the fairing stays, front end and dash were different from prior years.  If mounting through the standard air holes I don't think this should be an issue since I'd guess you are heading deep to the frame or the engine mounts.

Wish I was closer, I'd love to be part of the project :)

Oh, holy cow! So, the same guard should fit from at least 1994-2006 and may even fit from 1986-1993 as well. That's great! I appreciate the information! Well, you don't necessarily need to be close to be part of the project. That's the great thing about the way we do our design and prototyping on the forum with you guys. Anyone anywhere can offer ideas/opinions and, if they're good, see those ideas incorporated into the product as its being designed. Just because you don't live close enough to loan us the bike doesn't mean you can't take part in the fun!

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2013, 08:09:40 pm »
Here's another interested C10 rider. 
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2013, 08:12:35 pm »
heh, there you go, the last two responses were from the opposite end of the spectrum, me at 1986 and OJ at 2006.

Look forward to seeing this progress, the Murph's tip over bars are awesome, but don't handle well at speed.
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2013, 08:22:14 pm »
heh, there you go, the last two responses were from the opposite end of the spectrum, me at 1986 and OJ at 2006.

Look forward to seeing this progress, the Murph's tip over bars are awesome, but don't handle well at speed.

Yea, that's what I've heard. Of course, we can only really test for no-to-low speed tip-overs but our bars are known for being sturdy and extremely well-built. So, I'm confident we can come up with something that at least does a little bit better withstanding a wreck at speed.

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2013, 08:42:38 am »
I figure that by the time you're ready - I'll be ready.  Still working on 'The List'

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2013, 10:25:38 am »
MCE - as a heads up, the current bars are fully supported by the upper engine mount head casting and the lower front mount casting, which is unused on the c-10. therefor all the stresses go directly to the engine block, and crashes with bars supported on these points will - and do - crack the engine blocks. Murph's bars use rather thin mounting brackets which are sacrificial on anything more than a tipover.
  Likewise, the rear tipover bars are supported by the upper rear subframe and the passenger peg support bracket. same deal, except on a crash it takes out the support bracketry.
  I think what EVERYONE would like is a "slider system" that removes easily for maintenance. The c-10's are very popular but old school tech; as such the are more labor intensive than the c-14's. A tip / crash / slide system that's easy to remove for maintenance would be JOB 1, or you'll have a hard time selling them.
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2013, 05:54:57 pm »
MCE - as a heads up, the current bars are fully supported by the upper engine mount head casting and the lower front mount casting, which is unused on the c-10. therefor all the stresses go directly to the engine block, and crashes with bars supported on these points will - and do - crack the engine blocks. Murph's bars use rather thin mounting brackets which are sacrificial on anything more than a tipover.
  Likewise, the rear tipover bars are supported by the upper rear subframe and the passenger peg support bracket. same deal, except on a crash it takes out the support bracketry.
  I think what EVERYONE would like is a "slider system" that removes easily for maintenance. The c-10's are very popular but old school tech; as such the are more labor intensive than the c-14's. A tip / crash / slide system that's easy to remove for maintenance would be JOB 1, or you'll have a hard time selling them.
  Feel free to contact me if I can offer any help.  steve

Good points, Steve! I appreciate the input. Maybe there's some way we can create a guard similar to our 1400 Concours Canyon Cage which allows you to remove the fairing for maintenance while leaving the bars installed with a very simple modification. We'll have to get the bike in our shop and really take a good look at it to distinguish what's possible, though.