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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2013, 10:59:01 pm »
I'm interested too.  I've been on my '06 for close to 2 years, and I'd
rather not push my luck any longer than I have to.  Let's see you work some magic!   ;)
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2013, 08:38:01 pm »
I'm interested too.  I've been on my '06 for close to 2 years, and I'd
rather not push my luck any longer than I have to.  Let's see you work some magic!   ;)

Nice! Now all I have to do is find one somewhere within about 150-200 miles from Camarillo, CA!

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2013, 09:26:07 pm »
I'm in San Jacinto.  Is that close enough?
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2013, 02:56:53 pm »
I'm in San Jacinto.  Is that close enough?

That's near Hemet close to the 10 freeway, correct? That wouldn't be too bad. That's only about 125 miles or so away from where we're at. Just out of curiosity, would you rather bring the bike to us and check out the facility or have it picked up from your place? Either is fine with me; if we do end up borrowing the bike, that is. The only reason I ask is because sometimes people prefer to transport their own bikes and don't want people they don't really know loading/towing them. I can promise you, though, we take every precaution possible when borrowing bikes as our good reputation regarding such is what allows us to continue to borrow bikes from local dealers. We have a very nice enclosed trailer we haul bikes with so it wouldn't be exposed to the elements as it's being transported. Lastly, your C10 is a 1998, correct? Please forgive my ignorance on this bike but that's the 2nd generation one, right? People seem to believe that one guard may fit on both generations but that's something I'd like to test before promising.
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2013, 03:32:05 pm »
As a point of clarification, the 1986-1993 and then 1994-2006 split of the C10 shouldn't have that much a difference in overall mounting or fit.  The upper fairing stays are different but the overall engine/frame mountings should be the same.  IMO, I think one cage would fit all years 1986-2006.
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2013, 04:48:34 pm »
As a point of clarification, the 1986-1993 and then 1994-2006 split of the C10 shouldn't have that much a difference in overall mounting or fit.  The upper fairing stays are different but the overall engine/frame mountings should be the same.  IMO, I think one cage would fit all years 1986-2006.
+1.  The only differences between the earlier bikes and the later bikes would make no difference in bars being mounted to the frame/engine. 
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2013, 05:24:19 pm »
I'm in San Jacinto.  Is that close enough?

That's near Hemet close to the 10 freeway, correct? That wouldn't be too bad. That's only about 125 miles or so away from where we're at. Just out of curiosity, would you rather bring the bike to us and check out the facility or have it picked up from your place? Either is fine with me; if we do end up borrowing the bike, that is. The only reason I ask is because sometimes people prefer to transport their own bikes and don't want people they don't really know loading/towing them. I can promise you, though, we take every precaution possible when borrowing bikes as our good reputation regarding such is what allows us to continue to borrow bikes from local dealers. We have a very nice enclosed trailer we haul bikes with so it wouldn't be exposed to the elements as it's being transported. Lastly, your C10 is a 1998, correct? Please forgive my ignorance on this bike but that's the 2nd generation one, right? People seem to believe that one guard may fit on both generations but that's something I'd like to test before promising.

Yes, San Jacinto borders Hemet.  And yes, it's a 1998, but like the others said, it shouldn't be much different from a pre-1994.  It would be easier for me if you picked it up and brought it back when you were done.  I'd like to check out your facilities, but I might have a hard time fitting it into my work schedule.  Let me know!!
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2013, 06:53:27 pm »
As a point of clarification, the 1986-1993 and then 1994-2006 split of the C10 shouldn't have that much a difference in overall mounting or fit.  The upper fairing stays are different but the overall engine/frame mountings should be the same.  IMO, I think one cage would fit all years 1986-2006.

Man, that sure would be nice if one guard could fit both versions of the bike. Still, that's something we'll have to either test ourselves or ship a set of guards to someone with an older bike to test for us so we can be sure one way or the other. Thanks for the information, though!

Yes, San Jacinto borders Hemet.  And yes, it's a 1998, but like the others said, it shouldn't be much different from a pre-1994.  It would be easier for me if you picked it up and brought it back when you were done.  I'd like to check out your facilities, but I might have a hard time fitting it into my work schedule.  Let me know!!

Alrighty. We can definitely make a run down there and pick it up if/when we do decide to move forward with this. How long would you be willing to let the bike go for? Normally it only takes us a week or two to get these parts designed and prototyped but the more time we have with it, the better the end product will be. More time with the bike allows us to try and test different ideas rather than settling. Can you please email me at rnichols@mcenterprises.com with your name and contact information so I can give you a call and set up a pick-up time if/when we decide to pull the trigger?

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2013, 07:17:25 pm »
Email sent.
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2013, 08:08:08 pm »
Someone can correct me if wrong, but I know there are some apperature differences on the 86 from later years. Just not sure if it goes beyond 86 or not.
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2013, 11:03:56 pm »
Email sent.

Got it and replied. Thanks again!

Someone can correct me if wrong, but I know there are some apperature differences on the 86 from later years. Just not sure if it goes beyond 86 or not.

Aperture? I thought that was something to do with photography or cameras but I'm assuming you're referring to an opening or gap in the fairings where something like a guard may mount, correct? That's definitely good to know as that will certainly keep a guard like ours from mounting if the fairings on that bike are indeed different than the other model years. That's something I'll make a note of and be sure to look into later when we begin making these bars. Thanks for the heads up!

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2013, 10:38:52 am »
Someone can correct me if wrong, but I know there are some apperature differences on the 86 from later years. Just not sure if it goes beyond 86 or not.
I believe the only "difference" was a set of louvers on the 86 bikes were a separate piece, while they are permanently attached on the 87+ bikes.  Shouldn't make any difference for attaching anything.
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2013, 02:02:47 pm »
I believe the only "difference" was a set of louvers on the 86 bikes were a separate piece, while they are permanently attached on the 87+ bikes.  Shouldn't make any difference for attaching anything.

Ahhh gotcha. So the openings and gaps in the fairings are the same, it's just that the louvers we're changed to permanent instead of being a separate piece. I'm not sure what the purpose of a change like that would be but at least it doesn't sound like it'll keep the guards from mounting properly.

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2013, 12:59:53 am »
No, actually the 86 is different, but I do not know if any other years are the same as the 86. This came to light years ago when Jimmy Miller made highway pegs for the C10. I was the first to order them for the 86 model, and he and I were both very surprised that they did not fit without some cutting.

Oh, I see I got the speeeling wrong on aperture........

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2013, 02:52:00 am »
No, actually the 86 is different, but I do not know if any other years are the same as the 86. This came to light years ago when Jimmy Miller made highway pegs for the C10. I was the first to order them for the 86 model, and he and I were both very surprised that they did not fit without some cutting.

Hmmm that's interesting. I'll make a note of that and keep it in mind. That's definitely useful information that'll come in handy later. Thank you very much!

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2013, 03:40:23 pm »
I have an 86 and would be happy to provide measurements or fit tests if required.  Pretty far from LA but I can do pictures and measurements without issue.
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2013, 03:56:39 pm »
I have an 86 and would be happy to provide measurements or fit tests if required.  Pretty far from LA but I can do pictures and measurements without issue.

Thank you very much for the offer! That may certainly come in handy during the design process so I'll keep you in mind. Keep an eye out in the C10 Accessories section for the C10 Canyon Cage Build Thread as we're hoping to bring the bike in sometime next week and start the design and prototyping process!

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2013, 03:10:09 pm »
We have a 1998 C10 lined up to bring in next Monday! I just wanted to give you guys a heads up so you can keep an eye out for the Canyon Cage Build Thread and offer opinions/comments on the design of the guard. Hopefully we can come up with a part that's as awesome as the Canyon Cage for the FJR and C14!  :great:

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2013, 04:25:34 am »
Interested. East coast guy though. :-[ Please keep us posted
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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2013, 01:41:16 pm »
Interested. East coast guy though. :-[ Please keep us posted

We provide free shipping on our Canyon Cage accessories so no worry about being on the opposite side of the country.  ;) Also, we'll most likely conduct a Group Buy (as we normally do after these sort of builds) and depending on how many participants there are, you guys here on the forum will save an extra 10-20% off the MSRP. I'll be starting a build thread here in the accessories section once we get the bike in our shop and start working on design/prototyping. I'll be sure to post a link here to the new thread once it up, though.

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2013, 02:13:04 pm »
Great... more things to buy.  :-[  :truce:

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2013, 05:41:34 am »
I'm guessing you may use the Rivco bars that Murph sells in order to start your design process.

If I may, Skip Holton made a set of tip over bars first. The Rivco bars do not mount the same way. They mount to the same location but not exactly the same way.

The nice thing about Skip Holtons bars is that the bars can be removed from the mounting brackets in 2 minutes, just 4 small bolts. Then you remove the tipover bars and the mounts remain on the bike, then you can take the lower fairings off.

With the Rivco bars you need a custom tool IE a 19mm wrench whose head has been bent in a vice. I use a crowsfoot for this. It's horrendous.

In front of my place I currently have two connies, one with a set of Skip Holton bars, and one with a set of Rivco bars. Both of the bikes currently have their lower fairings removed (for the summertime). So I can take pictures of both if you like..

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #47 on: October 19, 2013, 08:25:30 pm »
I reckon that there has been nearly 1000 lookers on this tread.....nah no interest at all.

While Murphs bars are good, and I have them, a crash bar they ain't.

If it fits an '86 it will fit an '06.

And don't forget about the faring extenders or people who flip their air vent around the other way up. And we will want to mount stuff on it, like lights and cameras.

 And people who can't sit still might want to put foot pegs on it.

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2013, 01:55:29 pm »
I'm guessing you may use the Rivco bars that Murph sells in order to start your design process.

If I may, Skip Holton made a set of tip over bars first. The Rivco bars do not mount the same way. They mount to the same location but not exactly the same way.

The nice thing about Skip Holtons bars is that the bars can be removed from the mounting brackets in 2 minutes, just 4 small bolts. Then you remove the tipover bars and the mounts remain on the bike, then you can take the lower fairings off.

With the Rivco bars you need a custom tool IE a 19mm wrench whose head has been bent in a vice. I use a crowsfoot for this. It's horrendous.

In front of my place I currently have two connies, one with a set of Skip Holton bars, and one with a set of Rivco bars. Both of the bikes currently have their lower fairings removed (for the summertime). So I can take pictures of both if you like..

Actually, we'll most likely build our own bars from the ground up instead of using someone elses as a pattern. We find that we can generally come up with some better product by simply going our own way and getting feedback directly from you guys. Normally we'll mock something up, post pictures and ask for feedback, then change the bars little by little depending on what we hear from the community. However, that's still very good information to have so I appreciate you chiming in!

We'll do everything in our power to keep the installation as simple as possible and, as always, we'll look into doing some sort of "quick-release" system. Although, a lot of the time, quick-release bars sacrifice too much strength for just a little bit of convenience but it's definitely something we'll explore. In the end, though, we'd rather have someone spend 15 or 20 extra minutes putting the part on and be sure of it's protective capabilities rather than slap it on in 2 minutes and have the thing fold under pressure.

And don't forget about the faring extenders or people who flip their air vent around the other way up. And we will want to mount stuff on it, like lights and cameras.

And people who can't sit still might want to put foot pegs on it.

Thank you! We'll definitely keep that in mind. I wasn't aware that a lot of people like to flip their air vents on these bikes so that's definitely good to know. Mounting of lights, cameras, foot pegs, etc. won't be an issue as we'll be using 1" tubing to make these bars (like our Canyon Cages for the new FJR and Concours) so all you'll need is any generic 1" clamp to mount any sort of auxiliary accessories.

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Re: Any interest in a C10 Canyon Cage?
« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2013, 02:02:20 pm »
Any chance of them coming up, with enough "meat" to mount some strap on bags, kind of like the KLR nerf bars and bags?