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Centerstand Helper
« on: December 20, 2011, 10:25:21 am »
Somewhere in time I saw an extension for the 'footpedal' on the C10 centerstand.

The concept was increasing the leverage available at the 'footpedal' as opposed to making the stand shorter or rolling the rear tire onto a board.

Just wondering if anyone can share experience with that approach to making the C10 easier to get on the stand, especially when loaded with camping gear.

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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 10:56:41 am »
Found this on Youtube:

Episode 1 - 2002 Kawasaki Concours Center Stand
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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2011, 11:05:12 am »
That's actually a pretty decent video. I will say that I personally sit on the bike when I take it off the center stand. I like having feet planted on both sides (just in case) when it comes down.

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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 11:25:00 am »
I don't know how you do that, Cap'n Bob.  I'm 6'2" and my legs just aren't long enough to push that far down - unless that too is a matter of technique.

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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2011, 11:25:55 am »
I don't know how you do that, Cap'n Bob.  I'm 6'2" and my legs just aren't long enough to push that far down - unless that too is a matter of technique.


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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2011, 03:57:28 pm »
I also prefer to take it OFF the centerstand while seated on the bike. 

You know, these forums are really great things.  Before I started looking at the forum(s) I never knew: (1) Concours are almost impossible to get up on the centerstand. (2) Concours vibrate excessively. (3) Concours have terrible brakes, suspensions and lighting systems. (4) Concours OEM seats are crap.  ???  Beware of what you find in forums ::). :))
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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2011, 04:18:29 pm »
Oh, I have no problem feeling that point where both feet of the stand are on the ground, and on my many 'good' days I've no problem getting her up on the stand.  I, too, am one that sits on it to get it off the stand.

BUT, some days my historic back injuries interfere with the "push and lift" part of the process just enough to make it a 'no-go'.  A little assist on those days might be nice.

FYI, the forward position of the Connie is a real comfort when my back is acting-up ... the forward lean eliminates the pain, and many times I feel much better after a ride, and never worse.

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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2011, 02:41:12 am »
Due to the much shorter ZX14 USD forks, a Mean Streak rear wheel and smaller 170/60 rear tire, my bike is a bit shorter than a stock Connie and thus REALLY hard to get up on the stand.  I have NOT cut my centerstand and HAVE considered the longer lever approach, but I'm afraid the side stand isn't likely to put up with the increased leverage pressure.  THey tend to bend already without a bigger lever.  I use the board method... a big board... or two.
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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 10:50:58 am »
definite +1 on seated removal from stand with hand on front brake(I park my bike in 10 feet of space) but I don't understand the big problem with getting it up on the center stand I'm 5'9 and 155 soaking wet and if you put your hand on the lift handle and push the stand down until you feel it make contact with both ground contacts and pull she goes up easily my only problem was when she was new to me I was scared to death I would go to far past center and turn her on her right side :-\ . hey I saw a cool video link on here awhile ago with a woman showing you how to pick up a bike when tipped over.

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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2011, 12:13:57 pm »
my only problem was when she was new to me I was scared to death I would go to far past center and turn her on her right side :-\ .

Yes, exactly.  This is why a lot of us try it once or twice and then say to ourselves, "I've got a perfectly good side-stand here.  I think I'll just use that rather than risk dumping poor Connie."

hey I saw a cool video link on here awhile ago with a woman showing you how to pick up a bike when tipped over.

Oh yeah, I've seen tiny little girls pick up giant Harley tourers using that "put your butt into it" method.  It works great on dry pavement.  In the dirt and gravel at the side of a wet road?  Not so much...

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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2011, 12:03:40 am »
 Just went outside to put her up on the center stand and up she went,by the way what's the unhealthy stick figure comment in the video in the first response-good video but watch what you say or you might get a twig in your eye. :P

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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2011, 12:19:15 pm »
Being 6'2" and 250, I have no problem stattling the Connie to get it off the center stand. As for getting it on the center stand, "Bulk up guys" :beerchug:, and you will have no problem putting your weight into it to cradle it. So, after the holidays, I suspect I will find it even a little easier to put her on the center stand.

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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2011, 10:53:51 pm »
First time I did it, I had a neighbor 'spot' the right side.  My heart was racing when I tried it too....lol
Second time I had my wife stand on the right side to cushion the fall IF it happened.  Now I'll put it up
myself, with the right side parallel to the lawn.... still not 100% on the 'stomp and yank'.
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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2012, 08:50:54 pm »
Getting the Connie on the centerstand is no problem, and I'm 5'6 and weigh 140 lbs. Getting her off the stand isn't difficult either, but being as short as I am, there is no way I could possibly do it while sitting on the bike. My legs just aren't long enough.

For those of you that think the Connie is hard to get on the centerstand, I challenge you to put a vintage GoldWing up. I traded an '82 GL1100 Interstate for my Connie, and that was a beast to get on the centerstand, especially if the air pressure in the suspension was low.
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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2012, 09:26:58 pm »
Getting the Connie on the centerstand is no problem, and I'm 5'6 and weigh 140 lbs. Getting her off the stand isn't difficult either, but being as short as I am, there is no way I could possibly do it while sitting on the bike. My legs just aren't long enough.

I'm 5'6" and have 30 lbs over you but I still think you can do it. Stand on the pegs pulling back on the bars, then thrust forward and down and once your rear is planted on the seat put out your legs as she's a comin' down.  (Edit: I was referring to a c14, but watching the video I'll still bet you can do it with your c10.)
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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2012, 12:35:44 am »
Getting the Connie on the centerstand is no problem, and I'm 5'6 and weigh 140 lbs. Getting her off the stand isn't difficult either, but being as short as I am, there is no way I could possibly do it while sitting on the bike. My legs just aren't long enough.

I'm 5'6" and have 30 lbs over you but I still think you can do it. Stand on the pegs pulling back on the bars, then thrust forward and down and once your rear is planted on the seat put out your legs as she's a comin' down.  (Edit: I was referring to a c14, but watching the video I'll still bet you can do it with your c10.)
I'm 6'1" and have... um... a lot of weight on either of you.   ;D  I get the bike off the centerstand the way fartymarty describes.  If I have the bike in gear, I can ride away without my feet ever touching...
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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2012, 01:28:51 am »
This is the web site where I learned to pick up a downed bike:

http://www.pinkribbonrides.com/dropped.html

It works very well.
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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2012, 02:27:32 pm »
Number of replies to OP = 15

Number of replies on topic to the OP = 0


Going for a record?

Somebody please lock this puppy  :truce:
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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2012, 03:53:59 pm »
Feel free to steer it back on topic but I don't see a need to lock it.
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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2012, 05:45:25 pm »
Number of replies to OP = 15

Number of replies on topic to the OP = 0


Going for a record?

Somebody please lock this puppy  :truce:

Lord knows I have derailed more threads than most... but I really tried on this one Centex.

Due to the much shorter ZX14 USD forks, a Mean Streak rear wheel and smaller 170/60 rear tire, my bike is a bit shorter than a stock Connie and thus REALLY hard to get up on the stand.

You see, while you asked specifically for someone with loaded for camping experience, I tried to show how I have a similar situation.  The bike is difficult to get on the stand due to being lower causing an increase of the amount of load needing lifting as well as a reduction in leverage at the centerstand foot lever.

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I have NOT cut my centerstand and HAVE considered the longer lever approach...

I understand what you are asking for as I have considered the same treatment and studied the possibilities with centerstand on and off the bike.


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...but I'm afraid the side stand isn't likely to put up with the increased leverage pressure.  THey tend to bend already without a bigger lever.

My totally "on topic" and direct response to your question is my opinion that the centerstand, in its stock form, is not up to the task of handling a larger lever particularly in conjunction with an increase of loaded weight (or in my case a reduction of leverage that the stand will see as increased weight before reaching the breakover position).  Of course I could be wrong.

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  I use the board method... a big board... or two.

My obviously inadequate and less than well-received solution.

Because an answer isn't what you wanted to hear does not make it off topic.  I do suppose that the legs of the centerstand could be reinforced to prevent the bending that so often happens with these critters.  And if done well, then perhaps a longer lever could be devised to work.  Also it has been suggested, but never tried to my knowledge, that a two stage centerstand as on a Voyager could be adapted or devised for the C-10.  THis would be the best answer for a lowered bike like mine I think, since it would reclaim the mechanical leverage lost in the lowering portion and still offer the height that a shortened stand would not.  There's my .02 on that.
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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2012, 08:00:17 pm »
.... I have NOT cut my centerstand and HAVE considered the longer lever approach, but I'm afraid the side stand isn't likely to put up with the increased leverage pressure.  THey tend to bend already without a bigger lever.....

Most sincere apology to Rev Ryder.  You are absolutely correct, Sir, you did make an on-topic  and useful comment which I failed to count in my review of this morning.

I should have followed-up with this question:  Not having seen any bent CS's, do they tend to bend in the leg of the CS above the lever gussett or in the lever outboard of the gussett (or somewhere else entirely)?

My post was, in my tongue-in-cheek manner, an effort to steer things back to topic ... recognizing that that the responses to date are quite likely indication that no-one still reading this forum has tried increasing the leverage to the pedal, with or without success.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2012, 08:02:26 pm by Centex »
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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2012, 09:40:24 pm »
No apology needed Centex.  I understand your frustration with trying to hoist a loaded (or even unloaded) Connie onto the centerstand.  As for the bending legs, it is the bottom section where each leg is independant that they bend.  Getting both feet down is crucial, but I've still seen them bent and even bent one myself (and I THINK I ALWAYS try to make sure the feet are hitting together).    Now in all fairness I have rotated Connie on the centerstand and bent one that way too.  I would think (pure speculation) that one could better reinforce that lower leg section below the gusset and THEN get away with some kind of lever lengthener.

Also, I too know that somewhere, sometime, in another life, on a previous COG forum, that I have seen something that did what you are describing.  I never heard another word about it though and do not know how it panned out and cannot remember for the life of me who it was that did the post.  You might try a Google search because even though the old Concours.org forum was deleted, there are bits and pieces scattered throughout cyberspace that can sometimes be picked up on a search and by then reading the cached pieces. 
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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2012, 09:47:36 pm »
If the Voyager centerstand mod is possible, the person most likely to know that is Steve. 

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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2012, 11:31:12 pm »
If the Voyager centerstand mod is possible, the person most likely to know that is Steve.

Yes, I believe he is the guy who originally threw the idea out there.  At least we know he's got one to look at.  :)


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Re: Centerstand Helper
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2012, 11:39:09 pm »
... Now in all fairness I have rotated Connie on the centerstand and bent one that way too...

Ah, yes, the centerstand 'walk'.  I've only done that on my relatively slick garage floor, with no apparent ill effect.  A bad habit I suppose but I walk the little Duc all over the garage, pivoting on the side stand.

Also, I too know that somewhere, sometime, in another life, on a previous COG forum, that I have seen something that did what you are describing.  I never heard another word about it though and do not know how it panned out and cannot remember for the life of me who it was that did the post.

I'm still working my way through old Concouriers after getting no joy w/Google.  The image in my mind's eye is something extending the serrated pad on the stand.  The lack of ongoing popularity of the thing probably bodes ill for it's success.

...  I would think (pure speculation) that one could better reinforce that lower leg section below the gusset and THEN get away with some kind of lever lengthener.

Yepper, that may be the thing to try.  I've got a spare CS I scored cheap.  I may try my own 'extended lever' design and if it eases the 'get-up' then reinforce the thing for longevity.

Doing a cut-down on that CS is the last resort IMHO.  The OEM CS height offers benefits for some front & rear maintenance activities and being able to do those on the road without carrying or finding boards to do the extra elevating is attractive to me.  It's all a matter of picking my compromises and so far I don't feel I've exhausted the least compromising solutions.  OK, so I'm hard-headed .... sue me  ;D

I'll have to look for a Voyager to see what y'all are talking about there.  Maybe SISF will post a pic of the Voyager stand for educational reference ...
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