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Re: fog light running light options
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2014, 03:14:19 pm »
Nicely done!  :great: There used to be somebody on this forum that sold a light bar that was similar to yours but they seem to have stopped selling it.

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Re: fog light running light options
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2014, 10:25:00 pm »
I'm wondering if you all mount driving/fog lights differently than daytime running or conspicuity (sp?) lights?   If your main concern is being seen by the other guy, any bright, glarey HID or LED lights will get the job done.  If your concern is seeing the road in front of you, the light selection and placement becomes more important. 

My C10 came with generic frame mounted foot pegs; a single, straight bar with fold-down pegs.  On this bar are mounted a pair of Hella FF50's.  They put a lot of light out in front of me, but being relatively close to the ground it's hard to optimize their aim.  More of a concern, being so close to the ground, road debris really takes it's toll on the lights/lenses. 

I'd like to mount them higher.  My bike has been upgraded to all LED lighting which included swapping out the fairing reflectors with LED side markers, so that location is out.  Murph's sell bug-eye light mounts, but it seems a bit too high, and I've never read any feedback on Murph's site or elsewhere how well they work. The micro-picture on his website makes it hard to figure out what you're buying.  Buck Sport's light bar looks like a good location, but is it worth $100?  I don't really have any metal fabricating equipment, so I'm kinda stuck with what I can buy off the shelf.  Besides Murph and Buck, anything else that has worked?

For the lights themselves, Hella does not sell replacement lenses for the FF50's as far as I can determine, so I'll be replacing my lights sometime.  I'm happy with the FF50's but I'm also looking at the flatter shaped FF75's.  I can't find anything online describing or comparing beam patterns of the two light designs; all the reviews seem to revolve solely around the looks of the lights as an accessory, rather than how they actually work.

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Re: fog light running light options
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2014, 08:48:29 am »
I have my spots mounted on the mirror brackets (not using Murphs mounts but similar location) and they are superb when used with High Beam.
Mine are 100W each and powered direct from the battery via a fusebox & relay.
I have a 35W HID as the main headlamp bulb.


If you want driving/low beam lights then they would need to be mounted at the same level or lower than the headlamp.
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Re: fog light running light options
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2014, 09:48:26 am »
Here is a picture of my Bike from Steve's wrench session this past month, thanks to Mike/Bugnut for taking all the fine photos from that day.
I have two sets for my driving habits, the fogs are down low and then the Hella FF300's are up a little higher. I still get that triangle of light no matter which set is on, and the upper set will get your attention quick when I throw the switch, especially when a cager is doing something stupid in front of me.
Yes I was the one on this forum that was selling the brackets, but interest waned so I let it go. Still have a few left but since I moved recently, they are still packed up in a box somewhere and I cant find them just yet.

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Re: fog light running light options
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2014, 04:18:50 pm »
I have my spots mounted on the mirror brackets (not using Murphs mounts but similar location) and they are superb when used with High Beam.
Mine are 100W each and powered direct from the battery via a fusebox & relay.
I have a 35W HID as the main headlamp bulb.

If you want driving/low beam lights then they would need to be mounted at the same level or lower than the headlamp.

Boomer and I have the same mounting setup, the difference being my lights are el-cheapo halogens (800 lumen each, like 50 watts so lotsa wasted power) which I bought from Walmart or JC Whitney or wherever. They were supposed to be a temp solution.

For attention-getting, they're VERY effective, especially since my headlight flicker unit is connected to them (on a switch, so they flicker during daylight). They're aimed a bit to either side to light up the roadside (for animals). They don't have much range, but really do make a diff for reflecting off of beady eyes in the dark. I'm planning to upgrade them to LED's for the power savings, and add a set to the tipover bars (these were originally there, better lighting but less conspicuous).

That high location works VERY well for conspicuity - my assumption is because the odd configuration of lighting makes people look twice. That and perhaps the initial reaction is "cop lights!" since MC cops have high-mounted lights.

I've been wondering if it's legal to use one of those white strobes on top of your helmet - you know, like you see on the top of school busses? We could be the Flashhead Brigade!

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Re: fog light running light options
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2014, 10:08:06 pm »
 Used the frugal priced pilot yellow tint (fog lamps were also available) spot lamps 50w X 2 mounted under the headlight on the '98 and later the '01. I used the right engine shutoff switch for the on/off and defeated the shutoff circuit (closed the circuit)
 They mounted on kit supplied bracket(s) on the oem mount hole for the cover plate under the headlight.
 They lit up the immediate front which the stock C10 does not do well and with a relay activated by the side lights gave the bike aux light if the headlight/circuit failed me. An improvement on visibility to oncoming traffic.

 Later went to the one rectangle 50w due to electron flow shortages.

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Re: fog light running light options
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2014, 10:23:13 pm »
I have two sets for my driving habits, the fogs are down low and then the Hella FF300's are up a little higher. I still get that triangle of light no matter which set is on, and the upper set will get your attention quick when I throw the switch, especially when a cager is doing something stupid in front of me.
Yes I was the one on this forum that was selling the brackets, but interest waned so I let it go. Still have a few left but since I moved recently, they are still packed up in a box somewhere and I cant find them just yet.

My current set up puts my Hella's about where your lower lights are.  Road debris issues as discussed, and the wheel/fender area are lit up which can be distracting looking down the fork hole (??) when it's very dark.   

I do like the look of the upper lights; what are your upper mounts connected to?  What are they made from (any rust issues)?  Do you have any straight-on pictures?  I may be interested if you still have some laying about in a closet.

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Re: fog light running light options
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2014, 11:37:15 pm »

I'd like to mount them higher.  My bike has been upgraded to all LED lighting which included swapping out the fairing reflectors with LED side markers, so that location is out.  Murph's sell bug-eye light mounts, but it seems a bit too high, and I've never read any feedback on Murph's site or elsewhere how well they work. The micro-picture on his website makes it hard to figure out what you're buying.  Buck Sport's light bar looks like a good location, but is it worth $100?  I don't really have any metal fabricating equipment, so I'm kinda stuck with what I can buy off the shelf.  Besides Murph and Buck, anything else that has worked?


I have a pair of PIAA 910's mounted on the bug-eye mounts and they work pretty good.


I'm going to replace the PIAA lights with a pair of Clearwater Erica's that I just ordered today.  ;D

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Re: fog light running light options
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2014, 03:37:07 am »
I will be very interested to see what the beam pattern is on those H7 LED modules once installed. That was the big problem with the previous generation of LED headlight replacements - they were just cylinders festooned with SMD LED modules and the resulting beam pattern was very poor. These new ones seem to have a single large COB emitter in about the same place as an incandescent filament. Hopefully this will produce a more proper beam pattern in the projectors which were designed for an incandescent bulb. I looked online, but I couldn't determine if those H7 LED modules are DOT and ECE approved. If not, then they are likely not legal to use in the US. Besides the cost, that's my biggest concern at the moment. Next would be longevity. While LEDs should last longer than incandescent or HID, if the heatsinks are not sufficient and/or the fan fails, then the diode could easily overheat and burn out. Also the "ballast", which is actually a constant current source, could burn out long before the LED if it is not robust enough.
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Re: fog light running light options
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2014, 12:42:54 am »
I will be very interested to see what the beam pattern is on those H7 LED modules once installed. That was the big problem with the previous generation of LED headlight replacements - they were just cylinders festooned with SMD LED modules and the resulting beam pattern was very poor. These new ones seem to have a single large COB emitter in about the same place as an incandescent filament. Hopefully this will produce a more proper beam pattern in the projectors which were designed for an incandescent bulb. I looked online, but I couldn't determine if those H7 LED modules are DOT and ECE approved. If not, then they are likely not legal to use in the US. Besides the cost, that's my biggest concern at the moment. Next would be longevity. While LEDs should last longer than incandescent or HID, if the heatsinks are not sufficient and/or the fan fails, then the diode could easily overheat and burn out. Also the "ballast", which is actually a constant current source, could burn out long before the LED if it is not robust enough.


You ask some very good questions and I guess that's why I'm calling this the Big Experiment. If this doesn't work then I'll convert over to HID. When I had my Spyder I converted those Hella H4 modules over to HID and the pattern was very good and I never got flashed once. As far as the legal issues I don't even give that a seconds worth of thought. The US has always been behind the rest of the world in lighting. I've been running "illegal" lights in my vehicles since 1970 when I bolted in a pair of Cibie Biode headlights (see photo below) into my 69 VW. Wow that was one heck of a set of lights. Heck sealed beam headlights were required until 1983 in the US!  :017: So for 13 years my cars and bikes would have been "illegal" but at least I could see. The last package arrived today so this weekend the conversion will begin. I'll be starting a separate thread for the Big Experiment.  :great: