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Title: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: BrianButler on August 16, 2011, 05:48:38 pm
I recently purchased the GoPro HD Hero camera kit. I was confident that the kit would be sufficiently complete to attach it securely on a C10. After 18 years spent in mechanical engineering, I have not come up with a sturdy, and suitable, configuration with the parts provided.

Further, I wear a modular helmet, so the curved adhesive pad is also inappropriate, as there would be no way to "lift the lid." I also utilize a tank bag, so the suction cup mount is not feasible.

So... does anyone have a setup that has worked on a C10? I will also want to tether it. I am considering machining some parts, if no quick fix is available. If I must resort to that, I'll let you all know how it turns out. In the meantime, I'm hoping for a solution from this forum. Thanks in advance!   
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: BigJoeVA68 on August 16, 2011, 06:13:16 pm
I tried this for a small "spy cam," probably not suitable for the larger camera but maybe can give you a fabrication idea to build on:

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,26436.msg102936.html#msg102936 (http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,26436.msg102936.html#msg102936)

Also some other ideas in that thread as well. Good luck, and let us know what works. (Or doesn't!)
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: oldsawfiler on August 16, 2011, 07:26:58 pm
I have the GO-PRO mounted with the sticky tape on my HJC Si-max.
It works just fine.  I use the longer hooked base mounted so the hooked part is to the back.  Then it is just a matter of aiming the camera.  I do not have the optional screen so have to guess, but I just have a budy aim it with the helmet on my head so the camera is level.
Hear is a link to the first video I took this way.  Chuckanut drive in Washington.
http://youtu.be/ZEckLaRJo8k
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: JPavlis_CA on August 16, 2011, 07:53:20 pm
Brian - I have a Nolan N103 and mounted the camera on the side of the helmet, roughly just below the pivot mechanism using one of the curved mounts. Works with the chinbar up or down.

I also use the suction mount on the side of the tank with the arm sticking out sideways so the camera sticks out past the fairing and gets the front wheel in the field of view.

Another way I'm going to try is a RAM standard camera screw mount base on a RAM arm off the upper triple tree. I won't put it on the bars, too much vibration transmitted to the video. At least that's what happened with a standard video cam mounted that way.

Or try a fairing mount. Suction cup on the side of the fairing, just above or below the upper split line. Or like I did, drilled a hole in the j-hook clip and used a longer fairing screw in the second hole along the upper split line.
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: bikerhawk on August 28, 2011, 07:02:02 pm

Another way I'm going to try is a RAM standard camera screw mount base on a RAM arm off the upper triple tree. I won't put it on the bars, too much vibration transmitted to the video. At least that's what happened with a standard video cam mounted that way.



This is the RAM mount adapter I use with my Go Pro:

http://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-gopro-hero-adapter-with-b-ball-ram-hol-gopr.html

I mounted it with a medium-length arm to a ball in the left mirror mount hole.  Got pretty good results on my Colorado trip last month...not nearly as buzzy as you would think (720p setting).  Tried mounting a ball on the corners of the gauge shroud, but it bounced too much on good bumps...the mirror mount actually worked better.
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: Shaft-Drive on August 28, 2011, 07:35:33 pm

Another way I'm going to try is a RAM standard camera screw mount base on a RAM arm off the upper triple tree. I won't put it on the bars, too much vibration transmitted to the video. At least that's what happened with a standard video cam mounted that way.



This is the RAM mount adapter I use with my Go Pro:

http://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-gopro-hero-adapter-with-b-ball-ram-hol-gopr.html


Bikerhawk:

Thanks for the tip on the adapter. I had no idea that was available. I'm currently waiting for delivery of a RAM-to-camera (male) thread adapter, which will pair with the GoPro (female) adapter that I already have mounted to the bottom of the camera enclosure.

I, too, will use a medium arm and mount to the left-side mirror mount, where I usually put my GPS. Left side will certainly yield more dynamic footage than the right.

As for anyone thinking suction mount, I wouldn't risk it.

Good luck to all my fellow GoPro junkies!

Simon
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: Daytona_Mike on August 29, 2011, 02:43:29 am
I have seen some of the best video  from those who use a ram mount with the suction cup mount (bottom picture) attached to their helmet (side) if you have the room.
That way most of the bikes vibration is gone and the video shows what you are looking at.
http://www.ram-mount.com/NewProducts/goprocameramount/tabid/3665/Default.aspx
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: mjc on December 31, 2011, 02:07:03 am
I just suction cup the cameras to the windshield. If I wanted to, I could run a safety line through the vent opening.
Here's a link to a video using this particular set up.
http://youtu.be/2EiaOJ4FYno (http://youtu.be/2EiaOJ4FYno)
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: Shaft-Drive on January 10, 2012, 05:58:13 am
I just suction cup the cameras to the windshield. If I wanted to, I could run a safety line through the vent opening.
Here's a link to a video using this particular set up.
[url]http://youtu.be/2EiaOJ4FYno[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/2EiaOJ4FYno[/url])


MJC:

Glad that worked for you. I tried my GoPro near the bottom of my 19" Rifle screen, using a curved adhesive mount, and the footage was painful to watch.

I have done extensive testing this past fall with RAM mounts all over the bike, and will post a how-to on YouTube sometime this winter. When it's up, I will post the link back here on this thread.

Cheers,

Simon
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: Shaft-Drive on January 10, 2012, 06:09:25 am
I just suction cup the cameras to the windshield. If I wanted to, I could run a safety line through the vent opening.
Here's a link to a video using this particular set up.
[url]http://youtu.be/2EiaOJ4FYno[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/2EiaOJ4FYno[/url])



MJC:

I know the GoPro suction mounts are great, but I still don't trust them entirely. When I do go the suction route, I always use a string tethered to a fastener on the bike.

Most of the time I use RAM mounts, and they really work for me.

Good job on the video.


Simon
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: mjc on January 14, 2012, 02:02:17 am
Hey Simon,

I don't trust the suction cups totally either. I only trust them for short durations.
Looking forward to your RAM mount how-to videos.
--Myung
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: JPavlis_CA on January 14, 2012, 04:01:48 am
I've used the suction mount for a couple of hundred miles with zero problems. If you start with a smooth, clean surface, it ain't coming off.

I get great video with mounting the camera on the side of fairing on my C14. I have yet to find a place on my C10, or on my buddy Sean's C10, that give good results - too much vibration in the C10 fairing. I had the same problem with Sean's Triumph 595 Daytona, but the smaller fairing allowed me to put the camera on the side of the tank and get a clear view past the fairing. But this doesn't work on the C10.

I also tried the camera on the handlebars with a RAM mount off the clutch mount. A lot less high amplitude, low freq vibration than the fairing, but sill unwatchable because it was a high freq, low amplitude vibe that caused a rolling motion in the video. And shocks coming up from the front wheel broke up the video completely.

I have a few vids up on youtube, this link should get you there.
My Youtube Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/bikestalker/videos)

In the SMR Pt1 vid, you can see the shadow of where I have the camera mounted hanging just below the mirror on the 14.
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: Shaft-Drive on January 14, 2012, 05:55:42 am
Hey Simon,

I don't trust the suction cups totally either. I only trust them for short durations.
Looking forward to your RAM mount how-to videos.
--Myung

Myung:

Okay. I hope to start editing by month's end.

Cheers,

Simon
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: Shaft-Drive on January 14, 2012, 06:04:05 am
I've used the suction mount for a couple of hundred miles with zero problems. If you start with a smooth, clean surface, it ain't coming off.

I get great video with mounting the camera on the side of fairing on my C14. I have yet to find a place on my C10, or on my buddy Sean's C10, that give good results - too much vibration in the C10 fairing. I had the same problem with Sean's Triumph 595 Daytona, but the smaller fairing allowed me to put the camera on the side of the tank and get a clear view past the fairing. But this doesn't work on the C10.

I also tried the camera on the handlebars with a RAM mount off the clutch mount. A lot less high amplitude, low freq vibration than the fairing, but sill unwatchable because it was a high freq, low amplitude vibe that caused a rolling motion in the video. And shocks coming up from the front wheel broke up the video completely.

I have a few vids up on youtube, this link should get you there.
My Youtube Channel ([url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bikestalker/videos[/url])

In the SMR Pt1 vid, you can see the shadow of where I have the camera mounted hanging just below the mirror on the 14.


Yessir, on a clean, flat surface (or nearly so), the GoPro suction mounts really work. I used them on the tailpiece of my Katana and the results were great.

On the C10, though, there isn't a suitable place on the fairing. And, like you say, the stock fairing does produce a lot of funky vibrations.

Thanks for the link to your vids. Will check them out this weekend.

Simon
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: ChipDoc on January 14, 2012, 06:33:07 am
I saw someone hook a RAM mount to three of the bolts holding the fuel cap in place on a C10.  I've been hunting around looking for the thing, but I just can't find it.  Sorry... but at least it's an idea
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: Shaft-Drive on January 14, 2012, 06:42:12 am
I saw someone hook a RAM mount to three of the bolts holding the fuel cap in place on a C10.  I've been hunting around looking for the thing, but I just can't find it.  Sorry... but at least it's an idea

Chip Doc (I like that handle):

There are quite a few gas-tank-cap brackets available. Most of the ones I've seen are made to mount older-generation camcorders, units which are fairly heavy, so having a firm fastening system is of great advantage. The downside of this mount, however, is that you will be shooting through the windshield, which equates to reduced optical fidelity.

The small HD cameras are really the way to go, and they're getting cheaper all the time.

Cheers,

Simon
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: ChipDoc on January 14, 2012, 06:49:35 am
The small HD cameras are really the way to go, and they're getting cheaper all the time.

Thanks, Simon!

I really don't think that mounting even the littlest Ikegami HD camera (http://www.ikegami.com/br/products/hdtv/hdtv_camera_frame1.html) is the way to go here.  Far better to get a GoPro!
 :))
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: Shaft-Drive on January 14, 2012, 07:47:46 pm
The small HD cameras are really the way to go, and they're getting cheaper all the time.

Thanks, Simon!

I really don't think that mounting even the littlest Ikegami HD camera ([url]http://www.ikegami.com/br/products/hdtv/hdtv_camera_frame1.html[/url]) is the way to go here.  Far better to get a GoPro!
 :))


Chip Doc:

Wow! That's some rig. You'd have to hit the gym for six months just to be able to lift that sucker.

The good news about GoPro is they recently dropped the price on the first-generation cameras. This coincided with the release of the new, GoPro 2 line of cameras. Unfortunately for me, I bought a second camera about 10 days before the price drop. Oh, well, it's still a great product for the price.

Cheers,

Simon
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: rabbott5 on January 23, 2012, 10:35:33 pm
http://youtu.be/sJMjuL20SCU (http://youtu.be/sJMjuL20SCU)

This was shot with my friends camera and suction cup mount.  Rock Solid all day long.  Come spring I'll have my own GoPro.  I'll probably mount one disc on the side like in the video and another in front.  As much as I look around when I'm riding, for me I think the helmet mount video would make me want to hurl. LOL
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: JPavlis_CA on January 23, 2012, 11:03:47 pm
Nice. I would try mounting it a little futher forward, you'd get less of the fairing in the shot, and more engine sounds.

Did you shoot that in 1080 (r5) and render it in software at 720? I ask because I noticed some curving of vertical objects which occurs in the r2 or r3 settings, which shouldn't happen in the r5 setting, but the video info indicates 720 resolution.

Welcome to the world of GoPro.   ;D
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: rabbott5 on January 24, 2012, 03:29:11 am
Nice. I would try mounting it a little futher forward, you'd get less of the fairing in the shot, and more engine sounds.

Did you shoot that in 1080 (r5) and render it in software at 720? I ask because I noticed some curving of vertical objects which occurs in the r2 or r3 settings, which shouldn't happen in the r5 setting, but the video info indicates 720 resolution.

Welcome to the world of GoPro.   ;D
I'm not sure what mode the camera was in.  It was my first time shooting video.  I did find out later from someone that knows a lot more about digital cameras, I should have used a higher quality card.  Once I get my camera, I'll work harder on learning the technical side.
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: Shaft-Drive on January 24, 2012, 04:26:30 am
Rabbott5:

Okay, I give up. What did you suction-mount the camera to?

Simon
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: ConcoursKZ on January 24, 2012, 11:34:57 am
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Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: rabbott5 on January 26, 2012, 02:32:32 am
Rabbott5:

Okay, I give up. What did you suction-mount the camera to?

Simon
The flat area under the vent (that you see in the video). That cam actuated cup stuck all day to the Connies fairing.  If I had time I would take a picture of it mounted on the bike.  It was the only flat spot I could find big enough for the cup.  My riding buddy (his camera) mounts it above the headlight on his Bemmer.
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: Shaft-Drive on January 28, 2012, 04:34:42 am
Rabbott5:

Okay, I give up. What did you suction-mount the camera to?

Simon
The flat area under the vent (that you see in the video). That cam actuated cup stuck all day to the Connies fairing.  If I had time I would take a picture of it mounted on the bike.  It was the only flat spot I could find big enough for the cup.  My riding buddy (his camera) mounts it above the headlight on his Bemmer.

Sorry, mate, I still don't get it. Behind what vent?

The camera appears to be 18 inches out from the bike and 8-12 inches behind your feet.

Simon
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: JPavlis_CA on January 28, 2012, 02:42:49 pm
Simon - he mounted it below the big vent in the fairing where the hot air from the radiator exits, just in front of the foot vent scoop.

The mount and right angle adapter puts the camera lens 5" to 6" away from the fairing.  The wide angle of the lens gives the illusion it is further away. Which also makes it seem like riders cross the double yellow when the camera is mounted low like this.

HTH   ;D
Title: Re: GoPro (HD Motorsports Hero) camera mounting...
Post by: Shaft-Drive on January 29, 2012, 10:39:39 pm
Simon - he mounted it below the big vent in the fairing where the hot air from the radiator exits, just in front of the foot vent scoop.

The mount and right angle adapter puts the camera lens 5" to 6" away from the fairing.  The wide angle of the lens gives the illusion it is further away. Which also makes it seem like riders cross the double yellow when the camera is mounted low like this.

HTH   ;D

Wide angle, of course. I picked the wrong week to quit drinking:)

Thanks for the explanation.

Cheers,

Simon