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Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« on: April 11, 2012, 10:28:31 pm »
I purchased a handlebar adapter kit from MurphsKits last year, (I allows use of standard motorcycle handlebars on the classic Concours). My bone doctor says I have to move to a fully upright seating position; so it is this or get a new motorcycle. Being cheap I have opted for the handlebar and seat revision on my Concours. I am ready to start the project, but some family members think I am being stupid doing this and have made me a bit nervous about changing the rider geometry of the bike. Any of you have experience with this type of revision?

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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 10:44:38 pm »
Rick, a number of us are using tubular bars of various geometry to acheive a "better for us" riding position.  In my case, it is the opposite of what you seek.  A slightly more forward position with a bit more width for easeir control in the slow stuff.  Others have used bars from ATVs, Goldwings, and other Mini-Apes for a more upright and relaxed seating.  Murph used to stock the mini-apes (similar to the old Honda Magna bars) that come back and up to give what you are describing.  I know Man Of Blues used to run a set of Mini-apes on one of his C-10s. 
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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2012, 05:21:05 am »
Thanks Rev. Its good to know that others have done this with some success. For me its an old neck injury that is coming back to bite me in my kinda' old age. The forward leaning stress of bearing a helmeted head. The longer bars may also reduce some of the buzz as well - it will be interesting to see how all this will change the C10 riding experience.

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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2012, 07:36:44 am »
I changed my bars shortly after purchasing my bike.  I used Goldwing Gl1200 bars.  The bike handles fine.
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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 10:35:28 am »
Welcome to the Comfort Club!   ^-^

I'm soon-to-be-a-grandfather, and I knew before I bought the bike that I would be changing the bar position.
By the time I was finished, I had installed the Storz Adapter that allows tubular bars, and Heli-Bars which are adjustable in multiple directions.

It still wasn't enough for my "Sportless-Touring" riding style  :D, so I also added 2" ROX risers to the mix.

I followed that up with Murph's Kneesavers and a Russell seat.
Now that I have a bike that fits me, I'm planning another Iron Butt ride in May.

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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2012, 12:56:04 pm »
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Any of you have experience with this type of revision?

Welcome to 'The Quest'.  I've been through this over the years, all for ergonomics.  Keep in mind that when you change one thing, you often invoke the need to change others too.  I ended up with:

 - Storz Bar adapter trying several 7/8" bars until I found the right one that's fairly high (not mini-ape hanger high), grips now extend just behind the gas cap.  The bars are wider too - 29" end of grip to end of grip.  The C10 stockers are too narrow for me. 

 - Different seats tried - ended up on a Corbin (dual canyon model I think).

 - Different WS's tried - ended up with a Cee Bailey 25.5"

 - Murph's KneeSaver pegs - (awesome for my longer legs and finicky knees).

 - HighwayPegs - also awesome to stretch out on.

 - Baker air wings - the large size for Wings and Voyagers with 2 bends in the deflector.

Now the C10 fits me and I like it a lot.  However, since this setup has come together, I've done an all day 11 hour trip on a bone stock C10 (including stock WS) and did surprisingly well comfort wise. 

I traveled from MI to VT (about 850 mi. each way, plus the week of riding around) for last year's Mt. Snow National on a '95 GPZ1100.  Its sits slightly more sporty a stock C10.  I did quite well comfort wise there too, which was a pleasant surprise. 

I just put wider bars with a flatter angle at the grips on the GPZ, which is even more comfortable.

For me, part of the issue was learning how to 'sit' the bike(s) - not using smaller muscles to hold me up (arms, hands and shoulders) but using the larger muscles in the lower back and torso.  This frees that tension and pressure in my shoulder's, arms and hands.

Still, the most comfortable ride that I have is the modded C10.

Good luck and enjoy the search.  If something doesn't work quite right, don't worry.  You can always sell it.
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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2012, 01:37:26 pm »
I traveled from MI to VT (about 850 mi. each way, plus the week of riding around) for last year's Mt. Snow National on a '95 GPZ1100.  Its sits slightly more sporty a stock C10.  I did quite well comfort wise there too, which was a pleasant surprise.

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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2012, 01:56:47 pm »
Rick,

I am using tubular ATV bars that provide a more upright position and are angled back less than the stock bars.  I also have a slight neck issue, and both of these characteristics paid big dividends in my comfort on the bike.  The change in riding position is fairly slight, but makes a big difference in the amount of time I can spend without a break, yet isn't too much of a compromise for sporty riding.  The straighter bars improve the position of my wrists and elbows, which reduces the amount of strain in my shoulders and neck.  I am extremely happy with my setup, and I recommend that you try some different setups to see what works best.  One nice thing about the tubular bars is that it is fairly inexpensive to try different bars to see which one fits best.  My ATV bars were around $30 new, and a range of different bars are available from various accessory retailers for around $20 apiece.  Bars from a Honda Nighthawk that provide some fore and aft adjustment are usually available used on Ebay.  I have a set I have yet to try, and am interested in seeing how they work for me.

Bottom line, there is no shame in trying to make the bike more comfortable for you, even if it isn't the way someone thinks it "should be", and converting to tubular bars is a great way of doing it, IMO.  It would more of a shame to have a bike you don't ride because you aren't comfortable on it.  BTW, here are some pics showing my setup.

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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2012, 12:18:21 am »
I traveled from MI to VT (about 850 mi. each way, plus the week of riding around) for last year's Mt. Snow National on a '95 GPZ1100.  Its sits slightly more sporty a stock C10.  I did quite well comfort wise there too, which was a pleasant surprise.

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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2012, 01:38:07 am »
rick I put a set of gl1100 handle bars on mine and a set of crash bars with hiway pegs when your riding solo down a boring road (I'm lying my feet never come off the hiway pegs ;D ) its so nice to get your feet up on them bars I think the bike handles better with the bigger bars didn't help much on the buzz but I'm a married god fearing man so looks were not in my thoughts when doing the mods good luck

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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2012, 02:29:08 pm »
All motorcycles USED to have tubular handlebars that were adjustable or could be changed to ones that suited the rider better. I cannot think of any of my previous ten motorcycles over the past fifty years that I didn't adjust, bend or replace the bars for a better ergonomic fit. The seat/pegs were nearly impossible to shift positions or types (back in the day) so the handlebars were the way to modify riding position.

The Concours is the only motorcycle I've owned (although there are many out there) with non-adjustable handlebars. I personally think it is ridiculous to think that motorcyclists come in a one-size-fits-all category. I finally broke down and changed to tubular:



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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2012, 12:14:44 am »
  Hehehehehe... I've got fully rubber isolated tube handlebars ! I'm gonna run proto # 2 up to the RWTW and see which setup gets the nod for production... Steve
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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2012, 05:22:33 am »
Wow! Thank you all for your comments and photos. The modification pictures were amazingly 8)
I will start working on my bike this weekend, so riding is probably still a few weeks away. oh-well. OK Steve in Sunny Fla - I never heard of rubber isolated handlebars... for reals? Or you pullin' our legs?  :)

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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2012, 10:22:09 am »
Yeah, for real - Do a search for a thread named "looky what I gots" there pics there. It's something that Has been in the works for awhile but I hope to get it going soon- Steve
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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2012, 11:02:02 am »
Hello Guys:

This is an awesome post, I had no idea that we could switch over to conventional bars.

I currently just have bar risers and the stock bars on my 2000.  My problem is not my neck, but my elbows, shoulders and my lower back.
Hey 10 plus years of riding the BEEZA on top of everything else will beat you up eventually.

Anywho a few ?s Steve where did you get the rubber isolated bars? or did you just fill them yourself ? and has anybody looked at the adjustable bars on the Yamaha Ventures?

For someone like me, that is average height.  I,m thinking somewhere along the lines of 2" more rise over stock and maybe touch more pull back.

I know one of you mentioned bars off a Goldwing but what year?

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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2012, 11:57:14 am »

 Steve where did you get the rubber isolated bars? or did you just fill them yourself ?
 

   It's a product I'm finishing up now. The bars aren't filled, the mounting adapter had rubber isolators built into it, so the mount and the handlebar clamps are fully isolated from each other.  Steve
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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2012, 12:22:55 pm »
Hello Steve:

When is it going to be available for purchase?  and what is the expected cost?

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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2012, 12:25:27 pm »
 can't answer either Q at this point. In fact this should have already been available, but I've had issues with the machinist. At least now I have the second proto, so things are moving. Steve
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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2012, 02:26:16 pm »
can't answer either Q at this point. In fact this should have already been available, but I've had issues with the machinist. At least now I have the second proto, so things are moving. Steve

Can you put up some pics of what you currently have?

I am eagerly awaiting the new product as I need something handlebar wise for the Iron Butt bike.  I really dont need my bars wider just maybe a little higher and further back. 

I am assuming that depending on the bars new cables (brake, clutch and choke)

Is there a chance that you might have some in time for Nationals?  If you arent going to be able to make it I would be willing to show them off as I will be there all week. 
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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2012, 03:22:24 pm »
Just ran into a guy at the local Home Depot who has a rather extensively modded KLR650. He has rubber mounted bars. It is a setup I don't quite understand but I think it involves two separate mods to achieve the result. I'm currently trying Larry Buck's ZG-Bars mod (http://bucksporttouring.com/accessory1.html) on mine. It seems to help but I haven't given it a long ride yet other than the 1 1/2 hr ride back from his place. It gives rise and pull back but does narrow the bars a bit. I think I like it. I like it at least for local stuff. Larry seems to be a very nice guy.
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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2012, 04:23:01 pm »
  Here's a pic from the last thread http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,29479.msg129539.html#msg129539   The new proto looks basically the same. I'll have them at RWTW next week - steve
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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2012, 06:27:43 pm »
Looking forward to seeing the finished product Steve in Sunny Fla. Thanks for sharing. Back to work...   :motonoises:

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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2012, 06:50:56 pm »
Steve, I really think you should skip the RWTW and come up to the MI Wrench 'n Grill Fest day at my place instead.  You can show us northerners your new isolated bar mount.

All those other guys down around where you're at can see them anytime.
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« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2012, 07:54:53 pm »
Steve, I really think you should skip the RWTW and come up to the MI Wrench 'n Grill Fest day at my place instead.  You can show us northerners your new isolated bar mount.

All those other guys down around where you're at can see them anytime.

  got a laugh out of me with that one Stan :beerchug: I'm still trying to finagle going to the national without major family upheaval - 2 females at home makes me often feel like I'm juggling chainsaws  :-[ Steve
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Re: Handlebar Adapter for the ZG1000
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2012, 03:13:58 pm »
I too am on the hunt for some nice bars that bring the the bar position back to where it used to be with bar risers now I have the ZRX front end fitted that has a standard 7/8" mount.


I like the bard Bergmen has as they are fully adjustable, if any one sees a set like that on the market let me know.


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