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Heli bar Horizon ST
« on: September 30, 2014, 01:59:29 pm »
Good morning to all.  I am considering the Horizon ST for my C10, and would welcome feedback from any/all who have done it or are considering doing it.  I have had my Concours (06) for about a year now and like it as much as any bike I've ever owned--which is quite a few, been riding for 40 years.  One thing I just cannot comes to terms with though is the lean angle.  After about 30-45 minutes it just kills my lower back.  Thoughts?

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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2014, 02:35:45 pm »
there are a lot of cheaper ways to go.......All I can say is I have heli bars and I like them......pricey but nicey
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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2014, 02:42:55 pm »
I have the original Heli Bars on my '01 and they are very well made, very adjustable. I have them a little lower that stock and the grips angled just a bit. The levers do touch the fairing when turned to the locks. I rode my '88 with stock bars, too upright and the grip angle was wrong.

Another nice thing is that they will go out of adjustment if the bike falls, rather than bend or break.

Having said all this, I don't know if the new design is like the old design.

Then again there are also these: MOXI Universal Aluminum Alloy Steering Handle Bar for Motorcycle
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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2014, 03:48:32 pm »
BTW... the heli bars are 'plug and play'.....out of the box everything you need including clutch and brake line extensions. While the lines aren't braided or anything they sure make it easy to bleed the brake and clutch. They are big bars tho'
, and with the pull back capability and angle adjustment I'm not sure the have to be as "high or long" if that makes sense. Good comfort along with lower pegs.   

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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2014, 10:21:43 pm »
Has anyone put a conventional upper triple clamp on that would allow risers and conventional handlebars? Thanks

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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2014, 10:33:25 pm »
Heli are sure sweet looking and if you have the green and want adjustable bars it is one way to go, I would never talk bad about them.

I couldn't make myself spend that much and from what I read about them not having any anti-vibration I wanted something more.

I made my own adapter and used an of the shelf clamp to come up with a better method to connect bars to the bike. It is the way many of the cruisers mount the bars. I used the Moxi bars for adjustability. I replaced my entire clutch and brake lines with some ebay lines in similar to stock config but longer. Lines worked out well so far and the 3 for brake and the long one for the clutch all cost about $50 bucks delivered. The lines are a replacement item on bikes as they age, so not a bad idea to replace anyway. I have about $150 and labor in the whole setup and swap.

I would put my bike on a test against any for the vibration fix. I had the bars adjust further back but a spot in my back didn't like the straight up, so I recently moved them forward. I am probably something like 2 inches higher than stock maybe back an 2 inch range. I have an aftermarket windshield that with 1 inch risers had me about nose even with top of shield and I am now about chin.

No pressure on wrist or shoulders, no vibration.
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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2014, 10:35:43 pm »
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if you find out what top triple will fit you be sure to let me know, that is what I wanted to do just not sure there is anything that will fit from stock, and couldn't find anything custom built like they have for a lot of the newer bikes

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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2014, 11:36:33 am »
Thanks for the info.  I am not crazy about spending a big wad of cash for the Horizon bars either, just didn't know about another solution that would work.

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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2014, 01:07:18 pm »
Murph sells handlebar adapters so you can put normal bars which a lot of people used.... I am surprised no one chimed in?

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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2014, 04:24:53 pm »
I have the new HeliBars and am very happy with them. Sure they are not cheap, but the bike is quite a bit cheaper than comparative models, and comfort for 'compact' people of my size is important when riding the bike for 8, 12, 18, 36 hours.

Where are you located Bill? You can check mine out. Send me a PM and we can talk about this if you would like.

Between the Set Laam seat and HeliBars, it is a totally different machine. Oh, then there are the wheels, and torque cams, and...

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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2014, 06:34:26 pm »
There is also the Storz adapter. I have one on my bike and I like it, but I don't know how it compares to the Murphs unit.
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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2014, 12:42:17 am »
I will just throw it out there if you talk to anyone riding this bike of similar era with clip-on the vibration is the worst part of the handlebars by far. If you are ready to make a change think about throwing the vibration fix into the mix.

Maybe someone can comment on change of vibration with any of the solutions they have.

Mine worked out to be something I would describe to be 80% reduction in vibration. If you can achieve that with any solution you will also feel reduction in long ride fatigue in everything from hands through shoulders. If you still have high vibration it helps some if you are putting as much pressure on your hands from lean, but you may still find yourself with tingling hands when taking a break.
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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2014, 03:40:15 am »
I have been lucky enough never to have been really susceptible to the 'buzz' issue before or after helibars. I do have steve's '7th' gear and torque cams so that helps. Have some bar weights on the ends as well.
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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2014, 06:24:20 am »
Murph sells handlebar adapters so you can put normal bars which a lot of people used.... I am surprised no one chimed in?

http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_90&products_id=142


I have Murph's 2 inch risers. Made a big difference to me. My wrists, hands, and back have a lot less pressure. When I use the foot pegs, there is no pressure on the small of my back. When I was a teenager leaning forward was easy. Now that I am 60 if is just painful. I wish they would tip back like the Heli Bars do.
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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2014, 09:43:04 pm »
Jim,
If you are happy with the 2 inch risers but wish you had more adjustment I would start watching for either the adapters Murph sells or some Storz. Then buy a set of the MOXI bars. If you can get a deal on a used bar adapter you can get the bars for $50.

Worst case is about $200 still less than Helibars. I am not trying to say they are the same quality as handlebar that cost $600, but pretty good for 1/3 or less if you can find the adapters used.

I have seen a few storz adapters on ebay that sold for about $100. I like the look of the ones Murph sells. Aren't those Murph sells made in Texas
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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2014, 08:16:47 pm »
I have the old style Heli Bars. Came with the bike and the PO didn't know what he had. Gotta love a $500 option on a $2200 bike. :)

I've noticed that tightening the stem nut helped reduce the vibes. And from I've read over the years on this issue, the only way to totally get rid of the vibes is to get rid of the C10.  :-\

So I prefer to think of it as purring, not vibration.  :motonoises:
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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2014, 02:15:11 am »
Hazy,

if you ever see me going by ask me to stop, I will show you how to remove the buzz
not a secret just a modify to use the same anti-vibe riser clamp that has been used since I was a kid, and that is a long time ago

most people will find that getting the bars back with any method reduces the pressure on your hands so the vibration are not transferred so well as the original design
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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2014, 08:42:03 am »
I have the original Heli Bars on my '01 and they are very well made, very adjustable. I have them a little lower that stock and the grips angled just a bit. The levers do touch the fairing when turned to the locks. I rode my '88 with stock bars, too upright and the grip angle was wrong.

Another nice thing is that they will go out of adjustment if the bike falls, rather than bend or break.

Having said all this, I don't know if the new design is like the old design.

Then again there are also these: MOXI Universal Aluminum Alloy Steering Handle Bar for Motorcycle


amazing, I have been telling heli for ages that they need to add marks to the bars so it would be easier to get the bars symmetrical. It is a nightmare to get them perfectly symmetrical.

And a $50 pair of adjustable bars from china has them. But a $600 pair can't be bothered to do something so simple.


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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2014, 10:08:08 am »
I have no problem getting them symmetrical, just loosen the clamps and move them wherever you want. And I prefer the less visually cluttered look without lines.
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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2014, 10:12:39 am »
I have no problem getting them symmetrical, just loosen the clamps and move them wherever you want. And I prefer the less visually cluttered look without lines.

how do you know they are perfectly 100% symmetrical down to the mm? Are you using a digital caliper?

Also do you have the new ones or the older ones? The older ones had 2 more points of adjustment.

I ended up taking them off the bike, putting them in a vice with a digital and laser caliper to have them perfectly alined, then reinstalled them.

I could never get get 12 separate points perfect just by eyeballing it.

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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2014, 11:15:32 am »
I have calibrated eyeballs.

Seriously, I'm not that fussy. They feel right in my hands, which actually may be off a little, most people aren't perfectly symmetrical anyway. I have one shoulder that is slightly lower than the other, due to an accident as a youth.

I believe mine are the older ones. They certainly aren't the newest ones.
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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2014, 01:35:00 pm »
I have the original Heli Bars on my '01 and they are very well made, very adjustable. I have them a little lower that stock and the grips angled just a bit. The levers do touch the fairing when turned to the locks. I rode my '88 with stock bars, too upright and the grip angle was wrong.

Another nice thing is that they will go out of adjustment if the bike falls, rather than bend or break.

Having said all this, I don't know if the new design is like the old design.

Then again there are also these: MOXI Universal Aluminum Alloy Steering Handle Bar for Motorcycle


OK, here's the deal. I have spent hundreds of dollars trying to get handlebars to fit me. I've got the Storz adapter & Rox risers, and two sets of bars, now in the trash.

I'll try one more time. If that doesn't work for me, I'll probably sell the bike. What exactly will I have to purchase in addition to the bars?

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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2014, 05:55:24 pm »
I have the original Heli Bars on my '01 and they are very well made, very adjustable. I have them a little lower that stock and the grips angled just a bit. The levers do touch the fairing when turned to the locks. I rode my '88 with stock bars, too upright and the grip angle was wrong.

Another nice thing is that they will go out of adjustment if the bike falls, rather than bend or break.

Having said all this, I don't know if the new design is like the old design.

Then again there are also these: MOXI Universal Aluminum Alloy Steering Handle Bar for Motorcycle


OK, here's the deal. I have spent hundreds of dollars trying to get handlebars to fit me. I've got the Storz adapter & Rox risers, and two sets of bars, now in the trash.

I'll try one more time. If that doesn't work for me, I'll probably sell the bike. What exactly will I have to purchase in addition to the bars?


What have you tried? What are you trying to accomplish? I really like my Honda adjustable bars. Had the HEli bars before.

What have you gotten rid of? I have another connie that will need bars soon.

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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2014, 06:20:06 pm »
Everyone's requirements are different, there's no magic formula that will fit the bars to you. Save your old bars, most junkyards will allow you to just swap bars so you can try different ones.
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Re: Heli bar Horizon ST
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2014, 06:28:26 pm »
Everyone's requirements are different, there's no magic formula that will fit the bars to you. Save your old bars, most junkyards will allow you to just swap bars so you can try different ones.

Where in the NE are you located? There aren't any MC junkyards around here, maybe a bit further north. I'm in NYC