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Offline Daytona_Mike

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Re: HID help
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2012, 01:12:05 am »
You sure can.  All HID bulbs do get old and  do get weaker over time. The glass right at where the gas is lighted ( rounded bulb part in the middle of the glass) will crystallize over time. Sort of looks  like frosted glass.

I have compared 35 and 55 watt bulbs and used 35 watt bulbs with a 55watt ballast with no issues.
The bulbs look the same.

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Re: HID help
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2012, 01:35:22 am »
Hi,

Looking for some help with an HID kit for my 2000 Connie. I did set it up as the directions stated but when I turn the bike on to get the head light to come on, I only get the high beam on and it turns on the blue indicator as well, (even tho it is set to the low beam) but if I switch it to high beam, it shuts the light off.  ???
This is one of the bi-xenon kits with the moving light set up.

Thanks in advance.
Hey Craig,
I am hoping your problem is the same that I have seen on quite a few other kits I have installed. The wiring of the bike is correct.
It is the  headlight 3 prong adapter/ pickup  from the HID kit that is wrong.
I hope you have a multimeter so you can which pin has the 12volts coming from the bike on low beam. The tiny red wire that runs the solenoid  ( this wire  to moves the bulb)  does not go to the low beam 12volts. Normally I have to swap the  high beam with the low beam by pulling the 2 female spade connectors out of the plug.

By the way, the bulb is supposed to move backward into the housing for high beam and then forward for low beam.
 If it is moving up   and down that is not proper and is a sign of a sloppy bulb housing.  There is normally  a tiny bit of play up and down on a well made bi-Xenon bulb.

Thanks Daytona Mike! I’ll see if that works when I get some time to work on it again this weekend.
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Re: HID help
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2012, 02:00:24 am »
I think with the Connie I would rather have someone comment "Did you see that guy with the bright headlight?" rather than "I didn't see him coming".
I am sure someone will say that I would be P***ing the other drivers off. I guess it's all about what your priorities are.

Or how about this:

I was blinded by the mis aimed headlight on that motorcycle I just ran over with my 80,000 lbs of steel, aluminum, diesel fuel, battery acid, liquid chemical(cargo), etc...
Hey Steve, I have never had that experience driving my car, commercial truck, or my bike, that I would accidently kill someone because of their headlights being too bright. Even driving with the sun directly in front of me, although that would seem more plausible.
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Re: HID help
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2012, 02:02:04 am »
I want to let you know that HID conversions work very well in the C10.

1)  The shiny bulbous  front  round reflector is designed to be used with the older style diffuser style lenses which our bikes happen to have. You can remove it but you wont get that nice cutoff line.

2)  The bulb on the Bi-xenon only devices  has a black shield mounted on to the  glass just above the  rounded part . This is where the gas is lit. This black shield blocks all the light and forces (some)  of the light to exit downward through the bottom cutout (looks like a small 1/4 slit cut out on the bottom of the  shield) This is  how it gives you  the nice low beam cut off line.

3) When you turn on high beam the electronic solenoid  pulls the bulb back to line up  with that bottom cut out. If you see the     bulb go up  and down that is wrong  and needs to be replaced with a better quality bulb.

There is no 'waiting to warm up' or  'doesn't work good because  of high beam low beam' issues with the Bi-xenon setup because HID never shuts off when  riding. Get the 55 watt kit. The highest  lumen's will be in the 5300k to 6000k color  range

I have seen  some relays act weird or slow but those were  the old mechanical  type relays  which most new kits  have now been upgraded to  solid state  units  which are more reliable.

Finally, the most expensive brightest halogen bulb will look like a dim  candle next to an HID setup.  Many of us have  done side  comparisons and I have seen some very  expensive projector beam upgrades which are miles ahead of the stock connie but still not as good as  an inexpensive HID upgrade.    Manufactures know  their kits  are being installed into older style lenses and they have made the modifications to do a proper  install. The  lighting is superb with no dim spots or ' it looks bright but it really is not'  issues.





     
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Re: HID help
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2012, 02:10:00 am »
I have the digital slim ballast as well.
Something is very wrong.  If you look at the specs for  incadescant versus and HID you can see there is  HUGE increase.
HID is very very bright and works really well on the C10.

I agree. My expectations was 2.0x on the 35W kit and 3.5x on the 55W kit. On my truck I have the 55W kit and completely believe 3.5x.  But not so on the Connie with the 35W kit. I know I am not the only one too. I know another NWCOG member who had the dual hella and the 35W kit with slim ballast and was not impressed. Thought the dual hella was better IIRC. Where we have STeve above who used the dual hella and the 55W kit and says no comparison.

I dont doubt othere good experiences. But its not that way for everyone.

I think I am going to order a 55W ballast and swap it with the digital slim and see. I might also swap around with the spare set since two come in the box. But its all gonna wait until we get back from the Grand Canyon.
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Re: HID help
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2012, 10:58:07 am »
I'd like to see someone with an HID kit installed to compare.  Had mine out for the first time last night.  Didn't think the lighting was bad at all.  Perhaps the previous owner made some upgrades.  Often rewiring the lighting, with it's own relay, can make a HUGE difference, as the stock wiring has way too much resistance.

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Re: HID help
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2012, 12:30:15 pm »
 I ran Murph's headlight harness and good bulbs for years before I put HID in the connie. there's still no comparison.

 The only downside I see with HID is that it's a single bulb, and if there's a failure, you go black. I have some Cree's I need to get mounted up to offset that. Steve
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Re: HID help
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2012, 12:50:29 pm »
Here's my installation.

I just used double sided sticky foam to mount the ballast on the fairing. The biggest part of the job is routing and dressing the cables. Not a big deal though.

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Re: HID help
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2012, 02:55:08 pm »
I put the VVME 35 watt/slim digital ballast in my Connie, and I couldn't be happier.
There is no comparison with the old halogen bulb.

Great output, and great pattern.

But then, I'm not a physics major, so I could be wrong.  :P
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Re: HID help
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2012, 09:32:45 pm »
Just wanted to give an update, this is what I received from the seller:

"Thank you for your contact, From your information, I think ballast and wire are fine. the poblem maybe from the socket.

Please switch position of wire in blue color socket. and try follow the link below.

http://www.hidkitswarehouse.com/images/90049007.jpg

Maybe factory put it wrong position and it don't work well.

Or maybe the problem from bulb."
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Re: HID help
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2012, 09:58:02 pm »
Yes Craig, he is telling you the same thing I told you. You need to meter your bike socket socket so you know which and where ground, 12volt wire  for low beam wire and  the 12 volt wire for high beam is. Dont swap the pins or wires on the bike side.
do it to the connector on the HID receiver side.  That way you can revert back at any time. Carry your old bulb as a spare.

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Re: HID help
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2012, 11:15:19 pm »
I think I had almost the same problem as described in the first post but I had low beam working and when I would hit the high beam switch, the bulb would move like it's supposed  to but the light went out.

You need to get the power for the low beam before it gets to the high beam switch, that way the switch will control the position of the bulb for hi and low but it will not interrupt the power going to the low beam lead so the bulb will always be on.

I think I tapped into a blue wire with white stripe (you would have to look at a wiring diagram to confirm) from the wiring harness that runs up to the high beam switch, right around the steering head tube at the front of the frame for the power for the low beam.
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Re: HID help
« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2012, 05:18:06 pm »
he painted the bottom 2" or so of the stock headlight glass. I taped mine off, but decided if the oncoming traffic didn't have an issue, then I kinda liked the tree-lighting feature. Steve

Yeah, I did this when I first installed my DDM 35W kit because I was getting flashed by oncoming traffic. It definitely took care of the scattered light up high. IIRC it also created a dark spot right in front of the bike that was just uncomfortable for me. While I was experimenting with the tape and a bunch of other stuff, people here kept telling me to get it aimed right and it wouldn't be a problem. I, of course ignored them because I thought I had it aimed right. I also thought if I had to lower it there was no point in having a really bright spot right in front of the bike. I finally took the time to access my horizontal adjuster (light bar mount makes it difficult) and moved the beam slightly to the right side of the road. No more offending oncoming traffic even with no tape on the lense.  :-[

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Re: HID help
« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2012, 07:08:31 pm »
Are you guys sure your installing the bulb with small square shield on the top?
 (not the big shiny  shield, that goes on the bottom)
I made the mistake of installing mine upside down so I turned it over. That's when I found I had it in wrong.
if the bulb goes up and down you do  know that is incorrect.
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Re: HID help
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2012, 12:29:44 am »
Not that it matters, but I took my HID light out and bought the brightest H4 Ultrastar I could get. I couldn't get used to it and that's OK cause I don't ride that much at night and besides I added some extra lights for when I do feel the need for more light. Just my .02. My nephew loves them and my son does too....me I'm just getting too old for this hi-tech stuff.