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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2011, 05:27:42 pm »
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2011, 06:38:38 pm »
I did a 1300 mile test ride last weekend. Most comfortable I've ever been. I have a call into the fellow handling machining, waiting on a call back to find out status of another proto in the works - steve

man, i gotta work on my butt.  I did almost 600 and i was sore (chaffed butt).  Looking for a solution.  ~new thread~
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2011, 07:48:06 pm »
I did a 1300 mile test ride last weekend. Most comfortable I've ever been. I have a call into the fellow handling machining, waiting on a call back to find out status of another proto in the works - steve

man, i gotta work on my butt.  I did almost 600 and i was sore (chaffed butt).  Looking for a solution.  ~new thread~
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2011, 09:36:02 pm »
No doubt your a crafty dude Steve
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2011, 10:02:21 pm »
looks like an anti Buzz. if so, would it work with risers and how much?
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2011, 11:23:29 am »
looks like an anti Buzz. if so, would it work with risers and how much?

(Dont wanna take words outa Steve's mouth or say incorrect things) But I believe he has stated it will only work with risers and not to sure on price yet.  Everyone is eagerly awaiting.

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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2011, 11:28:39 am »
It requires risers, so I'm planning to offer the plate with or without risers. That way those who have risers don't have to buy something they don't need. Still nothing on pricing, the guy who wants to do production had become very busy, so I'm waiting on him. Steve
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2011, 03:37:47 pm »
It requires risers, so I'm planning to offer the plate with or without risers. That way those who have risers don't have to buy something they don't need. Still nothing on pricing, the guy who wants to do production had become very busy, so I'm waiting on him. Steve
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #58 on: October 27, 2011, 05:44:20 pm »
I have 2" Risers and have a bad Buzz prob. I have the anti-buzz kit from Murphs, and helped alittle, I would LOVE to try this out! do you need another beta tester?
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #59 on: October 29, 2011, 11:30:54 am »
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #60 on: October 29, 2011, 06:03:37 pm »
Just an fyi if it wuld be useful I can make special bends in bars to custom tailor them. I don't know what the market would be but that is my trade. I am an iron  >:Dworker.
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #61 on: April 18, 2012, 06:47:07 pm »
Ok, first post here as a brand new member and already pulling up an old post.

Just wanted to check on the status of this project Steve.  I am about 5' 7".  I bought my C10 having not ridden one...found a very nice one on Craigslist and jumped on it, before jumping on it.  Assumed that since this bike was around so long, I could adapt it to fit me VERY easily.  Guess I was wrong.

Previous owner had a Russell custom seat fitted to him.  It's extremely nice, but also VERY tall.  He was 6' 1", and also indicated on his order form for the seat that he would not mind sitting up higher to get him higher off the already too high foot pegs.  Great for him, for me...not so much.

Love the bike!  But am seriously tippy-toeing it.  And worse, the bars are so far forward that they hurt my hands something awful after about 10 minutes.  I need your solution.  If you have stalled on it, I can probably fabricate the base bracketry, but need to know where to source the isolated bar mounts.  Hoping you got this sorted out and are offering them now.

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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #62 on: April 18, 2012, 07:16:34 pm »

I'll bet there's some rubber dampeners in there for the C-10 vibes. Also a much more upright position for those that like. ;)  Mark
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How much and where do I send my money?

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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2012, 08:29:29 pm »
The handlebars off your kid's bicycle?
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #64 on: April 18, 2012, 10:00:05 pm »
Assumed that since this bike was around so long, I could adapt it to fit me VERY easily.  Guess I was wrong.

No, you were not wrong. Russel, or any other custom saddle make, could make a lowered seat as easily as a raised on, maybe even easier. And while Steve's idea to include vibration isolation is great, there are other options to change your bars to tubular, or to change the position of the stock bars.

There are also lowering links for the rear, and lowering the front is even easier. There are several options to lower the foot-pegs, and dozens of different manufacturers of windshields.

Having said that, I will concede, there is no getting around the fact that it is a big bike. At 6'1" I am happy with the ergonomics. I can certainly see where someone 5'7" might have some issues.
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2012, 09:56:18 pm »
Thanks for the response WillyP!

I am going to call Russell to see what I need to do for the seat.  I cannot find any other bar options that are actually available.  Please feel free to link to some options if you know of a vendor.

The lowering link is available only in 1.5 inch lower and is $200.  I have an offer out for a used one...otherwise will have to fork out the $200 I guess.

Will have to see what the pegs feel like after getting the seat lowered.

Any tips on a newbie to the C10?

No, you were not wrong. Russel, or any other custom saddle make, could make a lowered seat as easily as a raised on, maybe even easier. And while Steve's idea to include vibration isolation is great, there are other options to change your bars to tubular, or to change the position of the stock bars.

There are also lowering links for the rear, and lowering the front is even easier. There are several options to lower the foot-pegs, and dozens of different manufacturers of windshields.

Having said that, I will concede, there is no getting around the fact that it is a big bike. At 6'1" I am happy with the ergonomics. I can certainly see where someone 5'7" might have some issues.

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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #66 on: April 20, 2012, 01:13:57 pm »
Any tips on a newbie to the C10?

Yes, first check your petcock and be sure it does in fact shut off fuel flow.

If there is any hesitation in accelerating, particularly a dead spot in the powerband around 4k, clean the carbs and install SISF's jet kit. Or send them off to him and have him do it.

Reinforce your fairing head stay bracket before it breaks. If it breaks, it could do a number on the fairing, as the upper main fairing will drop, putting all the weight on the mid fairings.

Be careful not to over-tighten the drain plugs for the oil, but if you and they strip you can heli-coil the pan without removing it. And, BTW when you change your oil, there are two drain plugs. Also Bergman Engineering offers a kit to convert the oil filter to spin on oil filters.

Murph used to carry a handle bar adapter but I don't see it now... sorry, I guess you'll have to make you own or wait for Steve.
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #67 on: April 20, 2012, 01:58:14 pm »
Murph used to carry a handle bar adapter but I don't see it now... sorry, I guess you'll have to make you own or wait for Steve.


I believe Storz still makes their handlebar adapters, but you may have to call them directly, or wait for them to come up for sale used:

http://www.storzperf.com/jpgs/page19.html
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #68 on: April 20, 2012, 02:13:03 pm »
Any tips on a newbie to the C10?

Reinforce your fairing head stay bracket before it breaks. If it breaks, it could do a number on the fairing, as the upper main fairing will drop, putting all the weight on the mid fairings.


Hi.

How is the reinforcement accomplished?

Thanks.


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« Reply #69 on: April 20, 2012, 02:15:52 pm »
On my '88 I welded it back together, then added a strip of steel over it.
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #70 on: April 20, 2012, 02:17:15 pm »
Ok, first post here as a brand new member and already pulling up an old post.

Just wanted to check on the status of this project Steve.  I am about 5' 7".  I bought my C10 having not ridden one...found a very nice one on Craigslist and jumped on it, before jumping on it.  Assumed that since this bike was around so long, I could adapt it to fit me VERY easily.  Guess I was wrong.

Previous owner had a Russell custom seat fitted to him.  It's extremely nice, but also VERY tall.  He was 6' 1", and also indicated on his order form for the seat that he would not mind sitting up higher to get him higher off the already too high foot pegs.  Great for him, for me...not so much.

Love the bike!  But am seriously tippy-toeing it.  And worse, the bars are so far forward that they hurt my hands something awful after about 10 minutes.  I need your solution.  If you have stalled on it, I can probably fabricate the base bracketry, but need to know where to source the isolated bar mounts.  Hoping you got this sorted out and are offering them now.

Ron
Hey Ron, welcome.

A couple thoughts on your post; as Willy has already posted there are several good solutions for those of us not blessed with long legs.  ;D  I'll add one option to that- when I had my OEM seat re-covered last year at a local automotive upholstery shop I had them shave off a 1/2" of the foam so that my seat beads would not be raising me even higher.  On the reach to the bars, does your bike have risers installed?  If not, you might try those as a first, less expensive option; they will raise the bars up a good inch-plus as well as bringing them back just a tad due to the angle of the mounting.  Murph sells those if you're interested.  After that, I'd look into a Heli-bars setup- it's much pricier but a lot of guys have installed them and love their various adjustability options.

As far as other tips, I'll throw in a few more suggestions; most have been discussed thoroughly on this board and the ZG/GTR board, so do some searching/reading and then make your own decision:
- tires and tire pressures- so hugely important to this bike's handling.  If you've still got Dunlops on her, start looking into other options; the Avon choices are great and will transform her behavior (and your confidence.)  The manual recommends 36/41 psi, but most of us go higher to 38/42 or 40/44- experiment with this and then check them regularly!
- fork brace- another huge improvement for front end stability, especially at speed in curves on uneven or varied pavement.
- foot pegs- if this hasn't already been done, grind off the fold-up stoppers so they REALLY fold back- this will save their aluminum brackets from breaking if you do have a drop.
- in-line fuel filter- there is a tendency for the OEM petcock filter to allow mininscule particles through that may then lodge in the #1 carb float needle seat, thereby allowing gas through continuously.  This is the first half of the recipe for the dreaded 'hydrolock' condition that you will read about that causes bent rods.  The second half is the vacuum petcock not shutting off, that Willy mentioned- if those two things happen in conjunction, the cylinder will fill with gas and when you turn her over to start you will bend a rod and that's it for the engine.  So, an ounce of prevention here is worth the many pounds (or dollars) of cure.  Again, many discussions of this remedy and how to implement it, but it works for many of us and gives us peace of mind.
- better headlight bulb- learn how to replace this (easy) so you know how if it happens on the road- and then carry a spare.  I like Murph's Philips Vision Plus bulbs, or the Silverlights- get a pair.  Much whiter, brighter light- works for both your visibility, but I've found that the real benefit is that other drivers seem to see it better.

There's so much else you can do this bike that it's like a blank canvas- a really powerful, fun to ride, great to tour with, canvas.  Good luck with it, and consider joining COG if you stick with her- great benefits, and you contribute to the cause that helps us all to enjoy this great bike.
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #71 on: April 20, 2012, 04:28:15 pm »
Ok, first post here as a brand new member and already pulling up an old post.

Just wanted to check on the status of this project Steve.  I am about 5' 7".  I bought my C10 having not ridden one...found a very nice one on Craigslist and jumped on it, before jumping on it.  Assumed that since this bike was around so long, I could adapt it to fit me VERY easily.  Guess I was wrong.

Previous owner had a Russell custom seat fitted to him.  It's extremely nice, but also VERY tall.  He was 6' 1", and also indicated on his order form for the seat that he would not mind sitting up higher to get him higher off the already too high foot pegs.  Great for him, for me...not so much.

Love the bike!  But am seriously tippy-toeing it.  And worse, the bars are so far forward that they hurt my hands something awful after about 10 minutes.  I need your solution.  If you have stalled on it, I can probably fabricate the base bracketry, but need to know where to source the isolated bar mounts.  Hoping you got this sorted out and are offering them now.

Ron

Hey Ron, welcome.

A couple thoughts on your post; as Willy has already posted there are several good solutions for those of us not blessed with long legs.  ;D  I'll add one option to that- when I had my OEM seat re-covered last year at a local automotive upholstery shop I had them shave off a 1/2" of the foam so that my seat beads would not be raising me even higher.  On the reach to the bars, does your bike have risers installed?  If not, you might try those as a first, less expensive option; they will raise the bars up a good inch-plus as well as bringing them back just a tad due to the angle of the mounting.  Murph sells those if you're interested.  After that, I'd look into a Heli-bars setup- it's much pricier but a lot of guys have installed them and love their various adjustability options.

As far as other tips, I'll throw in a few more suggestions; most have been discussed thoroughly on this board and the ZG/GTR board, so do some searching/reading and then make your own decision:
- tires and tire pressures- so hugely important to this bike's handling.  If you've still got Dunlops on her, start looking into other options; the Avon choices are great and will transform her behavior (and your confidence.)  The manual recommends 36/41 psi, but most of us go higher to 38/42 or 40/44- experiment with this and then check them regularly!
- fork brace- another huge improvement for front end stability, especially at speed in curves on uneven or varied pavement.
- foot pegs- if this hasn't already been done, grind off the fold-up stoppers so they REALLY fold back- this will save their aluminum brackets from breaking if you do have a drop.
- in-line fuel filter- there is a tendency for the OEM petcock filter to allow mininscule particles through that may then lodge in the #1 carb float needle seat, thereby allowing gas through continuously.  This is the first half of the recipe for the dreaded 'hydrolock' condition that you will read about that causes bent rods.  The second half is the vacuum petcock not shutting off, that Willy mentioned- if those two things happen in conjunction, the cylinder will fill with gas and when you turn her over to start you will bend a rod and that's it for the engine.  So, an ounce of prevention here is worth the many pounds (or dollars) of cure.  Again, many discussions of this remedy and how to implement it, but it works for many of us and gives us peace of mind.
- better headlight bulb- learn how to replace this (easy) so you know how if it happens on the road- and then carry a spare.  I like Murph's Philips Vision Plus bulbs, or the Silverlights- get a pair.  Much whiter, brighter light- works for both your visibility, but I've found that the real benefit is that other drivers seem to see it better.

There's so much else you can do this bike that it's like a blank canvas- a really powerful, fun to ride, great to tour with, canvas.  Good luck with it, and consider joining COG if you stick with her- great benefits, and you contribute to the cause that helps us all to enjoy this great bike.


Thanks krum!

I had my OEM seat for my VTX redone by Allen at meancitycycles.com.  He does a memory foam mod that had a 10 lb density foam at the bottom and a 5 lb density foam at the top.  He calls it the double decker.  I told him my height and weight and he reshaped and lowered the seat and it is just awesome!  Can't say enough good things about him and his service too.  Great guy!  Am thinking a stock seat with this mod may do the trick.  Am wondering about a driver’s backrest though.  Surprises me I can’t seem to find a good aftermarket source for those.  Am I missing something?  Ultimate Seats does not make a seat for the C10.  Do guys not use a drivers backrest when doing serious miles?

My bike does have risers…1 1/4” I think.  But I think most of my problem is related to this seat.  Just noticed on the Russell order form, the guy even asked for an additional 1.5” or more in height.  Another guy wrote me a PM and said that a stock seat would fit me much better and I could do a trade with cash to make that happen.  Probably what I am going to do.

Having ridden the VTX, I really like the laid back cruiser riding position and want to go more toward that on the C10.  I realize the C10 is a sport tourer…but am just saying I want to go in that direction.  Steve’s idea really seams to be what I need.  I like the idea of isolating the vibration in the handlebars and bringing them back toward me at the same time.  I have seen a few posts mention relative location being some where inline with the gas inlet on the top of the tank.  That sounds pretty good to me.  No way I am going to spend several hundred dollars doing it though with Heli-bars or the like.  I will probably try to fab something up myself and post back of course…that is, provided Steve does not have his to offer.

The bike came with Avons, Storm II in the front I believe and Azaro in back.  Back is almost done though so been looking at options there.  Not real happy with what I am learning about the tire situation.  Again, 20 years this bike was in production and tire choices are extremely limited and demand compromises I would have never expected.  Already aware of tire pressure settings from VTX experience.  Same deal…higher wears much better.

Bike also came with the fork brace, lucky me!  The guy really loved this bike.  Hope I can make it comfortable for me.

Good tip on the footpeg stops.  For the fuel filter…is this all you need to do to head off hydrolock, or are SISF’s overflow tubes needed too?  See, I have been reading already… ;-)  Good tips on the headlight too.  Is this an H4 bulb?  I have that in my VTX and put an HID in there…man you wanna know good light…HID is where it’s at!

FYI, I already signed up for a 1 year membership.  Not sure what you call me now…a COG’er I guess…  But yeah, I really am enjoying getting to know the forum here and learning about the bike.  As was with my VTX…am sure I am just getting started.

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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #72 on: April 20, 2012, 04:39:18 pm »
Welcome.
And I would have that Russell reworked to fit you.  That's the best thing seatwise I believe.  Hydrolock protection... you could say the overflow tubes are the cheapest, surest protection from it happening.    Always having a properly functioning petcock is paramount IMHO.  But things happen, and then the overflow tubes will come into play.  I've owned several Connies and did buy one that has the overflow tubes.  I pray they never have to work... but I will probably pull those carbs before long anyway.
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #73 on: April 20, 2012, 05:12:51 pm »
OK, now that we know a little more about you...  >:D  To address your questions:

I had my OEM seat for my VTX redone by Allen at meancitycycles.com.  He does a memory foam mod that had a 10 lb density foam at the bottom and a 5 lb density foam at the top.  He calls it the double decker.  I told him my height and weight and he reshaped and lowered the seat and it is just awesome!  Can't say enough good things about him and his service too.  Great guy!  Am thinking a stock seat with this mod may do the trick.  Am wondering about a driver’s backrest though.  Surprises me I can’t seem to find a good aftermarket source for those.  Am I missing something?  Ultimate Seats does not make a seat for the C10.  Do guys not use a drivers backrest when doing serious miles?

There's no real OEM solution for a driver's backrest; you'd have to go to a custom seat for this, but they are available- Think Corbin, Russell, Sargent, etc.  The backrest, however, is available as an OEM accessory.  Skip the additional accessory cargo rack they sell- not rated for much capacity and there are other better solutions.  I bought mine used from a guy parting out a bike, but I believe you can get them from Ayers, Bandit or other supply houses.  Which brings us to top cases- if you like those, they can also double as a passenger backrest.  You do one or the other on this bike.

Having ridden the VTX, I really like the laid back cruiser riding position and want to go more toward that on the C10.  I realize the C10 is a sport tourer…but am just saying I want to go in that direction.  Steve’s idea really seams to be what I need.  I like the idea of isolating the vibration in the handlebars and bringing them back toward me at the same time.  I have seen a few posts mention relative location being some where inline with the gas inlet on the top of the tank.  That sounds pretty good to me.  No way I am going to spend several hundred dollars doing it though with Heli-bars or the like.  I will probably try to fab something up myself and post back of course…that is, provided Steve does not have his to offer.

You might still look into the Heli-Bars, if after you get the seat installed the reach still seems uncomfortable; the guys that have them rave about them, and given that you are looking for a more laid-back posture they may still be the ticket.

The bike came with Avons, Storm II in the front I believe and Azaro in back.  Back is almost done though so been looking at options there.  Not real happy with what I am learning about the tire situation.  Again, 20 years this bike was in production and tire choices are extremely limited and demand compromises I would have never expected.  Already aware of tire pressure settings from VTX experience.  Same deal…higher wears much better.

Yep, the 16" rear wheel is a limiter.  But, there is good news there as well- alot of guys have fit Kaw Mean Streak rear wheels to the Connie, with a little modification as I remember.  Or, you can ship your wheel out to have the rim welded up to receive a 17" tire- there are lots of threads on this, I think Kosman Engineering is the company that does this frequently for us?  Aside from that, I just fitted a bias ply Avon Venom to my rear, after years of Azaros- and they are a good option for higher mileage, less aggressive riding I am finding.

Good tip on the footpeg stops.  For the fuel filter…is this all you need to do to head off hydrolock, or are SISF’s overflow tubes needed too?  See, I have been reading already… ;-)  Good tips on the headlight too.  Is this an H4 bulb?  I have that in my VTX and put an HID in there…man you wanna know good light…HID is where it’s at!

Steve's (SISF) overflow tubes are a great option if you have the money and resolve the problem of the failing petcock, but you could still jam a particle in the float needle seat, causing running trouble on the road, as happened to me one cold, late winter day a few years ago.  Not a problem easily dealt with on the road.  I went a different route to resolve the petcock issue, installing a electromagnetic solenoid valve in my fuel line above my carb rack that opens with ignition, then closes when the bike is turned off.  It was a bunch of work to install, but I enjoyed it; the overflow tubes are certainly the easier option.
On the headlight, yes, a bunch of us have gone the HID route too, myself included- but honestly, the bulbs I mentioned work pretty well too and are a lot less fuss to install.  Didn't want to blow you away right out of the gate with too much...  :o ;D

Great looking VTX, btw- awesome paint job!

Steve K.
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Re: Looky what I gots!
« Reply #74 on: April 25, 2012, 09:00:22 pm »
Anyway, about that handlebar adapter, Steve...


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