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C-10 Cruise Control help
« on: June 05, 2016, 07:10:29 pm »
Been trying to get cruise control to work. Had problems with it being
intermittent and wanting to take off on it's own from time to time.
Thankfully the concours is heavy enough it did not get exciting.
Have check all the wiring, have checked the trouble shooting guide
from Bergmen Engineering. All work as suggested. The red led slowly
lights with the unit turned on. Have a positive 12 volt pulse on the
blue lead that increases with RPM. All switches set for medium sensitivity.
1 & 8 on, rest off. Jumper removed.
There is/was talk about a diode in the blue lead to the coil, I have none.
Never did and it did work at one time.
What am I missing?
Thanks for your responces.

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Re: C-10 Cruise Control help
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2016, 07:55:13 pm »
Been trying to get cruise control to work. Had problems with it being
intermittent and wanting to take off on it's own from time to time.
Thankfully the concours is heavy enough it did not get exciting.
Have check all the wiring, have checked the trouble shooting guide
from Bergmen Engineering. All work as suggested. The red led slowly
lights with the unit turned on. Have a positive 12 volt pulse on the
blue lead that increases with RPM. All switches set for medium sensitivity.
1 & 8 on, rest off. Jumper removed.
There is/was talk about a diode in the blue lead to the coil, I have none.
Never did and it did work at one time.
What am I missing?
Thanks for your responces.

Richard, on my old C10, the only time I had the cruise control "take off on it's own" was when I was in heavy rain and had water ingress the switch.  This was on the trip to the Frisco rally and had lots of heavy rain there and back.  When I got home, I dried out the switch and sealed it up and did not have any problems after that. Obviously that is not your issue, but I mention it as it may be related to the switch? I am assuming you have the CCS100 (I think that's what is was called?) CC unit.  I f I remember correctly, the switch had little conductive "pucks" that when pressed completed a circuit in the switch.  This may be something to look at?  Again, just a shot in the dark.

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Re: C-10 Cruise Control help
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2016, 12:41:33 pm »
Richard,

Along the lines of the previous poster, take the cover off the control pad. Using a soft, pencil eraser, burnish the contact points on the circuit board. Also the metal contacts on the pad membranes. As far as the diode in the blue wire, I can't see one either but Audiovox is specific about not cutting this wire.

Hope you get it working for your ride to Helen, o-rings don't really get it done.
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Re: C-10 Cruise Control help
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2016, 01:06:54 pm »
Thanks for the quick response. I will open up the key pad and clean the pads
as suggested. I found Murphs directions on the internet and found the statement
about the number of links in the chain. I will shorten up the chain. I did have to
replace the bracket that holds the cable end as the old one broke. Maybe I have
too much slack.
Looking forward to seeing you all at the national. Thanks

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Re: C-10 Cruise Control help
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2016, 01:58:41 pm »
Richard,
There should be a small bulged area about mid-way in the blue wire.
Audiovox calls it a "noise suppressor". The blue is the wire that hooks up to the negative side of a coil, not to be confused with the purple wire... (which goes to pin 30 of the brake relay.)

As said before, that factory-installed noise suppressor serves an important purpose, and shouldn't be removed. There has been some recent discussion about it in other threads. One poster said it's a resistor and not a diode, and posted what it's resistance value is. You might search and reread that thread.

Corroded switches can cause a lot of grief. I'd agree you should open it up and check it out. Sounds like a likely cause for auto-engagement issues.  :-\

Are you using a brake relay? Perhaps it's defective, causing intermittant function or perhaps wired wrong?
Let me know if you need a schematic or anything...

Bob
« Last Edit: June 06, 2016, 02:02:24 pm by C14lvr »
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Re: C-10 Cruise Control help
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2016, 02:07:01 pm »
Been trying to get cruise control to work. Had problems with it being
intermittent and wanting to take off on it's own from time to time.
Thankfully the concours is heavy enough it did not get exciting.
Have check all the wiring, have checked the trouble shooting guide
from Bergmen Engineering. All work as suggested. The red led slowly
lights with the unit turned on. Have a positive 12 volt pulse on the
blue lead that increases with RPM. All switches set for medium sensitivity.
1 & 8 on, rest off. Jumper removed.
There is/was talk about a diode in the blue lead to the coil, I have none.
Never did and it did work at one time.
What am I missing?
Thanks for your responces.

I'm assuming you mis-counted and you mean "7" is on, instead of "8", right?
Should only be 7 dip switches...

If so, then that's correct settings.
2011 C14 ABS (current bike)
1982 Yamaha XJ1100J (sold)
1979 Yamaha XS11 (3200 original miles)
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"What we have here is a failure to communicate."

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Re: C-10 Cruise Control help
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2016, 11:21:09 am »
Richard,

Several years ago my cruise quit working, would not engage. Upon close inspection of the extra relay I installed to force the purple wire to ground, one of my crimps on a terminal was virtually non-existent - the wire fell out of the terminal (!). There, I've said it. I'm not perfect.
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Re: C-10 Cruise Control help
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2016, 01:59:13 pm »
Your right C14lvr I miss counted, there are only 7 switch's, my bad.
Larry I will be going back over all the connections and checking them.
I replaced the relay with a new one. Last night I replaced the circuit
board. The board I took out did not show any sign of a defect but it
did have that tell tail smell of a failed electronic part.
I have read the post about the noise suppressor, I will try a diode if
all else fails.
Thanks again all.

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Re: C-10 Cruise Control help
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2016, 07:56:42 pm »
Richard,
You may want to consider giving Rostra a call and see if you can just get another blue wire from them with the suppressor...?

I think I'd do that, rather than try to install your own... (might be creating another issue...?)

If after checking your switch, all wiring connections, and replacing the board... check for these things;

1) check continuity from the ground post at the battery to the purple wire, just as it enters the servo connector. This proves 2 things; A) the necessary ground to make it work is there, and B) the relay's ground side is wired right and the N/C side is working. Turn the key on, apply the brakes, relay should click, continuity of the ground should open. Let go of the brakes, continuity should reappear. If you used a 5pin relay, make sure nothing is hooked up to pin 87! I had one where a guy applied a positive to pin 87, not knowing those relays not only open between 87A ond 30, but close between 30 and 87 at the same time. This sent positive to the servo's circuitboard where it should have been grounded, and fried the board the first time the brakes were applied.

2) Ensure your vaccuum side is good by removing the hose from the servo, after the bike has run. If servo and Orings are good, you'll hear it hiss and release.

3) Ensure that the blue wire (w/ noise suppressor) is hooked to the NEGATIVE side of a coil.
4) Double check the servo cable free slack, making sure it's slightly slack and not excessive.

If all your required hots are present, all your required grounds are present, your switchlegs are wired correctly from the switch to the servo, and you have a good switch, you've got good vaccuum to the servo, you installed the required little check valves in your vaccuum line(s) and your vaccuum reservoir is good and holds vaccuum w/o leaking, and your throttle's hooked up good, and the servo's good...
... It's gotta work.
Bob

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Re: C-10 Cruise Control help
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2016, 11:38:29 pm »
Bob thanks for the suggestions. I have to take some time off, medical.
Will be down a few days and will get back at it. You mentioned, Rostra.
I was under the impression these came from Audiovox. If I have this
wrong where do I find the contact info Rostra?

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Re: C-10 Cruise Control help
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2016, 03:20:23 am »
Bob thanks for the suggestions. I have to take some time off, medical.
Will be down a few days and will get back at it. You mentioned, Rostra.
I was under the impression these came from Audiovox. If I have this
wrong where do I find the contact info Rostra?

It's my understanding that Rostra aquired the Audiovox CCS-100.
You might try to reach Thomas w/ Rostra @ 972-212-8072.
He's helped me in the past.

Some of the guys @ Rostra don't want to talk once they find out it's on a motorcycle...
But Thomas was cool.
Maybe he can get you a replacement blue wire or a harness, if you need one.
Pretty sure they're the ones selling the parts now.
Bob
2011 C14 ABS (current bike)
1982 Yamaha XJ1100J (sold)
1979 Yamaha XS11 (3200 original miles)
In the warden's words from Cool Hand Luke;
"What we have here is a failure to communicate."