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Need help wiring Hella lights
« on: January 24, 2015, 07:52:28 pm »
Can anyone give me some directions on how to wire a set of HELLA FF50s to my 2006 Concourse? I'm stuck on the wiring. The diagram is so confusing to me. It shows some terminal hook-ups with a "T" symbol and others with an upside down "T" symbol. Which symbol goes to the positive and which one goes to the negative terminal? Also the clamping of the wiring to the headlight wires are also not clear. Please help!

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HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2015, 08:23:21 pm »


Can anyone give me some clearer STEP-BY-STEP directions or photographs on how to wire a set of HELLA FF50s to my 2006 Concourse? I'm stuck on the wiring. The diagram from the instruction manual is so confusing to me. It shows some terminal hook-ups with a "T" symbol and others with an upside down "T" symbol. Which symbol goes to the positive and which one goes to the negative terminal? Also the clamping of the wiring from the headlight wires are also not clear. Please help!



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Re: HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2015, 05:15:31 am »
How funny - I'm in the same boat. I've exited to,scrap my loss and going with something with lower draw LEDs. Been working at it for about a week, searching the web, reading reviews, looking at "schematics", and still not getting it.

I wish you the best. I'm sure one of these guys have why you need.

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Re: HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2015, 06:03:40 am »
If you can provide us with a scan, or a link to the wiring diagram you are using, it would be helpful.  I found instructions on Hella's site, but I'm not sure if they are the same ones you are looking at.

http://www.myhellalights.com/mounting_instructions/FF50_FF75.pdf

Also need to know how you want your lights to operate.  Do you only want them on with your low beam?  High beam?  Switched?  Completely independent of the headlight?  Some states require auxiliary lights to turn off when the high beam is on.  (My state is one, but I ignore that regulation.) 

Give us that information, and I'm certain that 5 or 6 of us will give you at least 8 or 9 different opinions and options.   :rotflmao:

If those instructions I linked to are the ones you are using, the T symbols, whichever way they are, are a ground.  And that Scotchlock connector to the headlight power is frowned upon by some folks here.  There are better options that aren't as likely to cause corrosion and failure of the headlight wiring.  (I think that's the "clamp" you are talking about.) 
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Re: HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2015, 11:38:10 am »
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Also need to know how you want your lights to operate.  Do you only want them on with your low beam?  High beam?  Switched?  Completely independent of the headlight?  Some states require auxiliary lights to turn off when the high beam is on.  (My state is one, but I ignore that regulation.) 

^This.

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Give us that information, and I'm certain that 5 or 6 of us will give you at least 8 or 9 different opinions and options.   :rotflmao:

^And this.


Do NOT connect the lights directly to the headlight, but you may use the headlight wire for a relay trigger.

Do NOT use "wire clamps", Scotchlock, or others of the same ilk. At a minimum, use crimps.
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Re: HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2015, 02:09:22 pm »
http://www.myhellalights.com/mounting_instructions/FF50_FF75.pdf

Jon - same instructions I've been using.  Even hunted around on the internet, but it just wasn't sinking in to my walnut.  Bummer because they are good lights. 

HB - One good tip I got was to use the side marker lights for constant power.  I wanted to have the option to turn my lights on/off as I desired. 

Here's what Jorge suggested:

If you want to control the lights, regardless of whether they go on with low or high beams, you can tap into one of the running lights near the mirrors. The red/blue wire is powered whenever the ignition is turned on. Since you're only driving a relay (less than 200 mA), and the actual power for the lights is coming separately, this will not hurt the circuit.
Tap into the red/blue wire, take this through a toggle switch, and you can turn the lights on or off as you like, and they will stay on whether on low or high beams.

I bought mine four years ago before my bike went into storage while I was stationed overseas.  Now LEDs have come such a far way, I've decided to bite the bullet and go with something that easier to install.  Found these guys through Dennis Kirk:

http://www.bluhmenterprises.com/news.php?id=51

Still pricey compared to many models on the internet, but owner tells me they are IP-67 and 68 standard waterproof, 10 degree beam pattern, 12 month warranty, and priced a lot lower than similar models by let's say Denali. 

NOTE: NO AFFILIATION, SOCIAL CONNECTION, ASSOCIATION, OR OTHER CONNECTIONS WITH BLUHM LIGHTS.

I know that's not what you were looking for, but sharing what I've come up with this last week as I hunted for some answers.

Good luck bud.

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Re: HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2015, 02:15:13 pm »
Fyi,
the Bluhm lights are identical to the mondomotos but  at almost twice the price though. Different switch that doesn't look like it will fit a concours.
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Re: HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2015, 02:23:04 pm »
In the pdf Jon linked, both the upside down and right side up 'T' symbols are ground. You want the wires from the battery to the relay as short as possible, so they show the positive and negative directly connected to the battery, though the negative could just as easily be connected to a ground. The switch has a ground for the indicator light in the switch.

And as someone else already said, toss those Scotch-lock connectors away. They are illustrated on the pdf with the word 'CLICK'. They aren't recommended as they tend to damage the wire, and aren't waterproof.

Use something sealed, that has heat shrink tubing with hot melt adhesive inside, like this: ELEKTRALINK™ SEALED MUTIPLE WIRE CONNECTORS™ - CAL-CENTRON, INC
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Re: HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2015, 03:15:44 pm »
Hey WillyP, nice link on the connectors. I wish I would have found those or something similar when Farkle-izing my bike.

BTW, I'm getting due to swing up for lunch and a brew pretty soon, though likely not this year. I s'pose I should try to make it sooner, before Camper Dave sells his C-10.

Hope you survive the tundra season OK. Later.
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Re: HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2015, 03:16:49 pm »
24 inches of snow coming, hope you get here before it ends.


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Re: HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2015, 04:28:11 pm »
Fyi,
the Bluhm lights are identical to the mondomotos but  at almost twice the price though. Different switch that doesn't look like it will fit a concours.
Matt

Dang!  Thanks Matt!  Even with the mil discount Bluhmen offered, it's still a lot cheaper.  Too bad they're not available right now....patience is virtue, right?!

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Re: HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2015, 05:45:30 pm »
Thanks everyone! That's why I prescribe to this site! You all are a great source of information.... as I've learned in the past. I may just scrap these and give them away and get something more simpler. Murphs' has a headlight wiring harness aftermarket accessory that is suppose to be a plug and play for these type lights, it may be better to replace my original ones with this one. Anyone familiar with them? And by the way, I wanted them to only come on with the low beams and I was going to mount the switch that came with them to control when they came on.

Thanks all!

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Re: HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2015, 05:56:50 pm »
Some lights may come with easier to understand directions, but they all install the same way.
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Re: HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2015, 03:10:43 pm »
Henry,

I sent you a PM with a wiring diagram.

Hella used to supply a complete wiring harness with their lights. Now it's a DIY deal. Not to worry, they are still an outstanding driving light with a long range pattern.

The toggle switch furnished is a cheap toggle one that requires drilling a hole to mount or making a bracket to mount it. It is not weatherproof. I suggest going to Amazon and searching for the Pilot brand "Bug Switch". It has a led indicator (several colors) and is surface mounted, so you can put it on the flat area on the right side, switch housing, above the starter button.  You may have to extend the leads to reach the relay. Get one without the connector on the switch's wires, costs less. The Scotch Lok connector is only for supplying power to the bug switch, it's OK for this usage. Power to the Bug Switch should be from a switched source so the lights only work with the bike's key on. Try not to use the accessory leads unless you will NEVER forget to turn the lights off.
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Re: HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2015, 03:39:17 pm »
Driving light wiring for halogen or LED's is similar. 1st download and print the Hella diagram listed in a previous post.

The green, or positive leads from the lights can be combined and connected to the relay's #87 terminal. The black wires can be combined and connected to to a frame ground.  Power (preferably fused) from the battery is connected to the #30 terminal on the relay.

The switch has 3 leads. One for the 12V, switched power source. One for a ground for the switch. One to supply 12V to the #86 terminal on the relay.

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Re: HELLA FF50-Clearer Instructions how to wire
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2015, 10:39:00 pm »
Lbuck, received your post and your e-mail. Thank you very much for your help! It really made things clearer!

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Re: Need help wiring Hella lights
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2015, 01:21:46 am »
I have never done them and I'm surprised others have not replied. Can you post a pic or a link to the diagram?

Never mind, I just saw the other thread.
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Re: Need help wiring Hella lights
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2015, 03:11:11 pm »
Hello HB:

If you can post the Instruction sheet, we can walk you through it.
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Re: Need help wiring Hella lights
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2015, 03:04:28 am »
One more thing....Can the HELLA FF50s be wired up independently with the relay and wiring to the battery without connecting to the Low or High beam or the headlight itself? I just want the option of turning them on and off when I ride at night.

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Re: Need help wiring Hella lights
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2015, 12:35:01 pm »
HB

The lights will work independenly as described in my email to you because the power to the switch is from a switched wire such as a marker light wire rather than the headlight wiring. A switched wire only has current when the key is on.  This prevents the lights from being left on when the bike is not running.  HTH.
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Re: Need help wiring Hella lights
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2015, 08:36:47 pm »
Thanks! I appreciate it. I didn't feel comfortable with messing with the wiring from the headlight. You all have been a great help!  :great: