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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2012, 07:40:29 pm »
i know i will for certain be going through with turbosupercharging my ZG...hell, i went so far as to boost my lawnmower! :rotflmao:

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here is a pic or 2 of it as of a few years ago, not much has changed...yes, those are MK4 supras AND a ZR-1 corvette in the backround.lol



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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2012, 08:40:39 pm »
  :-\   And the chains are for................   :-X

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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2012, 09:09:04 pm »
 :-[ snow chains....for better traction here in sunny ..er muddy fla!  :rotflmao:
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2012, 09:11:54 pm »
I don't think those are allowed on the course at my local country club. hehe 

My bad, I thought it was a mower.  Now I realize it's a parallel trencher.  :rotflmao:
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2012, 09:14:45 pm »
My bad too.  It looks like my margarita blender.  No offense  :-\
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2012, 01:53:25 am »
 :-[  LOL, it IS a lawn mower...a dixie chopper to be exact ...just a small 60" cut.
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2012, 02:39:53 pm »
 :) had to bring this back to the top TTT  :nananana:
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2012, 11:26:26 pm »
I started to work on writing a thread, but work has kept me wrapped up for a few weeks.  That and lots of family stuff. Like taking my son fishing and running TWO churches 40 miles apart now.  Not sure if I'm coming or going.  Add to that the fact that webshots has betrayed me by turning into a too pricey PAY service and I am having to try to rescue photos and relocate to photobucket before I can even get going on this.

The webshots pix I had up are still available for a few more weeks here.  Doesn't make much sense though.
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2012, 12:43:21 am »
sweet...well documented build up...do you have any pics of the bike in it's current state?
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2012, 12:59:09 am »
sweet...well documented build up...do you have any pics of the bike in it's current state?

Ya know, no one has really been all that interested so I haven;t photo-ed the bike in a long long time much.  Right now it is a totalled mess since the crash in April.  Here's some pics in early 08, long before I Squirted it.   WHen these were taken it was on the trailer as I had JUST blown the #3 rod out of it trying to hotfoot my way to Big Bend after just replacing the hydrolocked #2 rod.  :-[
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/562823481lUUGFe

She blew all her coolant and lost the #3 rod due to overheating.  I wasn't watching the guages cuz I was having so much fun on TX 1340 at some serious triple digit speeds.  Had to turn around, go home, and get the TOrch bike to ride to Alpine.  THat's why there's no bags on her.  Only had one nice set and they were already packed and ready to go.
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2012, 01:06:50 am »
Here she was 30 minutes prior to the 2009 Wildflower Crash that messed her up THAT time.

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2214393570080494746pDcnBd
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2012, 01:21:09 am »
Yikes! Big pic!

Here's what you really wanna see methinks.
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2687162090080494746VSZZlt
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2012, 03:53:12 pm »
Rev, you posted the homemade manifold.
I recall you found that the homemade manifolds wouldn't handle the boost, and finally found a Manifold to buy that would handle the boost?

By the way,, how's yer foot mending?

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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2012, 04:38:49 pm »
Ok,

I have studied the pics. It seems to be a great challenge. I have parts left over from my K04 turbo install in my Audi but it produced 16 lbs of boost. I think this job is well beyond my skill set and my pay grade >:(
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2012, 04:42:11 pm »
I have been seriously considering turboing my bike. Ive been doing alot of research lately and I was wondering how you have your fuel delivery system setup and how you went about sealing the carbs to handle pressure. I read on another forum where a guy plumbed a "pilot tube" pressure line from the intake manifold to the inside of the float bowl above the fuel level to enrich the mixture under boost. lots of little details to work out but i think this will be an awsome winter project.

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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2012, 06:08:50 pm »
best bet is to do the change-over to fuel injection...it's what i am doing, and what Rev Ryder did in the end.
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2012, 06:17:02 pm »
All, (My Buddy) Rev has mentioned a few times that he may not repair the Turbo.
He may move on to other things. (Sumthin' he won't fall off of)

If I were considering building a C-10 Turbo I'd talk to him about purchasing the parts from him.

He'll either sell to you, or get off his Butt and get ta work..
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2012, 02:20:02 am »
BluRipper,
The piTot tube (with a T in the middle) does pressurize the float bowls.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitot_tube
Tying it in is simple.  You have the two pinkish looking tubes coming off the carbs that are the float bowl vents.  Simply tying into those will put positive pressure in the float bwls so that the pressure differential between the float bowls and the venturi will allow the fuel to seek the lower pressure area just like in every carb setup.  However, fuel pressure must also go up to compensate for this increased pressure in the float bowls or the fuel will be pushed back into the tank rather than into the bowl to feed the jets.  FInding the right size and location of pitot tube is the trick to getting it to run well and stay alive.  For my plenum and feed line size I found a 5/16" tube with a 1/4" hole drilled into it to be very good (slightly rich with stock jetting) so that I merely lowered the float level a little to compensate.  The blow through carbs did run very very well, but tuning is far easier with the EFI and balance from cylinder to cylinder is much easier to achieve and retain.  It was generally imbalance that broke my parts.  One carb doing something slightly different so that when I got close to the edge of perfection, one cylinder would get a little too close. LOL

As Max said, the EFI is the better solution in every way.

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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #43 on: October 28, 2012, 02:53:35 am »
Here's a lame drawing I just made of the basic plenum/pitot tube setup for blow through carbs.
The large tube is the plenum (takes the place of the stock airbox) and it is 3.5 inch exhaust tubing. The four outlets go one to each carb. I used simple 2" exhaust tube for each of these and connected them to the carbs with 2" radiator hose.  There is no heat here to speak of and no fuel containment required so the radiator hose works fine.  The hose bridges the span between carb throat and plenum, but the carb throat and plenum are only a few thousandths of an inch apart.  Hose clamps go on either side.

The single tube side is where the charge tube from the turbo brings boost into the plenum and THIS is where the pitot is located.  Basically, the pitot is made by drilling a 5/16' hole through the 2" exhaust entry tube and inserting a piece of 5/16 brake line crossways in the middle of it BEFORE the plenum.  THen I drill a 1/4" hole in the outside side of the small tube.  As air flows over it, there is a pressure difference between the charge tube side (where the whole is) and the plenum side (where the opening suddenly expands making a lower pressure area) and when either side of this tube is connected to both of the bowl vent tubes, the bowls are given positive pressure any time air is flowing over the pitot.  As boost increases, the pressure the bowls see also increase proportionally thus richening the mixture to compensate for the increase of air entering the combustion chambers.  Simple to build, complicated to size and figure dimensions for plenum and tube and opening.  I ran this setup for several years and as long as I kept boost under 10 psi, I had no issues other than increased fuel consumption and radically increased rear tire wear.  :D

EFI makes all of this obsolete.  Oh, a good plenum is still essential, but there is no pitot tube since the computer uses fuel pressure, injector size, and injector pulse width to control fuel flow on or off boost.
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2012, 12:52:13 am »
Whats the chance on getting a seperate EFI conversion thread ?
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2012, 11:57:58 am »
Whats the chance on getting a seperate EFI conversion thread ?
Arrgggg!
I bought an entire nother bike (BigJoe's old 06 model) just to do that to. I do intend to get that done and actually intended on doing it before now, but fell off my scooter and got hurt so all my money and time have gone to that... plus now my turbo scooter is all smashed up and needs fixin'.  The  EFI for Normally aspirated would be a little different, but I'll do something on this before too long I promise.  The stuff required is pricey and development of a map is time consuming and requires more stuff.  If I could go ahead and spend that and get a good base map, then other folks could buy less stuff and get a map from me which would save several hundred dollars of stuff, some plumbing, and hardware.  BUT, if someone wants to jump in and build the whole deal, WBO2 and all, then it's doable.  Also, another Connie person that Bergmen and myself have been playing with for a couple of years has taken the ECU from a Z1000 and a Power COmmander and succesfully EFI-ed a NA Connie in California.  His name is Paul and Bergmen helped him convert to chain drive.  He messed with the Microsquirt for some time and could not get a happy conclusion, and I was not avaialble much for him and didn;t have an NA bike to play with at the time either.

Short answer, yeah, a separate EFI thread is possible AND coming given a little time.  THere are some hurdles in the process though that make it tough.  No suitable external pump, including several I made myself, have been found.  I've tried pumps from Walbro, MSD, and numerous generics and they all fail within a year.  Some within a day due to heat.  A bike in hot weather is a brutal environment to handle fuel and an internal pump in the tank is the best way to combat that IMHO.  Paul and I have both been running internal pumps for some time now with complete success (at least on my part I've not been in conversation with Paul in some time).
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2012, 09:16:58 pm »
Ted, nothing's for sale yet except my Dynojet 150.   
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2012, 11:01:37 pm »
Ted, nothing's for sale yet except my Dynojet 150.   
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2012, 01:04:28 am »
^^ lol
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Re: SO YOU WANNA TURBO YOUR ZG-1000?
« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2013, 11:34:00 pm »
i am also definitly interested, am going to post a build thread now that i decided to keep my 86 1000 its currently on its way to being a custom naked bike, but plan on makin it a turboas well and debating on carb or efi