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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2012, 03:46:08 am »
I use the short filters because I didn't feel like cutting the belly pan. but the location that I use to work at, I would have to park the bike on the sidewalk. I would  hop off the curb at a moderate speed. scratched the belly pan a little, but never messed the oil filter. just my experience.
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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2012, 03:46:45 am »
I wouldn't have a Connie without one...
Dan, do I need to go buy more Connies to get your count up?  Hey, I'm always lookin' fer an excuse.   :D
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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2012, 03:58:48 am »
I wouldn't have a Connie without one...
Dan, do I need to go buy more Connies to get your count up?  Hey, I'm always lookin' fer an excuse.   :D

Maybe you just need another 24' U-haul truck with a  steeper ramp!  :-[ :-[ :-[  ;)

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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2012, 02:37:42 pm »
I use the short filters because I didn't feel like cutting the belly pan. but the location that I use to work at, I would have to park the bike on the sidewalk. I would  hop off the curb at a moderate speed. scratched the belly pan a little, but never messed the oil filter. just my experience.

One of the adavantages of using one of the short filters, actually. On no other motorcycle is the spin-on oil filter protected like the short filter covered by the belly pan on the Concours. Some spin-ons are right behind the front wheel (mine was on my 1985 Honda Nighthawk S) and are right smack in the middle of the debris being kicked up by the front tire.

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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2012, 02:50:31 pm »
I wouldn't have a Connie without one...
Dan, do I need to go buy more Connies to get your count up?  Hey, I'm always lookin' fer an excuse.   :D

Thanks, Chuck! In all reality it looks like this kit has basically run it's course. It is a fixed market of dwindling inventory and those that are likely to want one already have it (with a few exceptions as noted here). There are about 1,000 units in place and only a very smal number have been returned, mostly for after-market exhaust interference on the ZRX, no design related performance issues.

It had a good run, worked exactly like it was supposed to and I'm happy about it. I have no problems closing the book on this, I feel a lot better than the engineering team for the Chey Volt, let me tell you.

It's all good.

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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2012, 02:59:15 pm »
I wouldn't have a Connie without one...
Dan, do I need to go buy more Connies to get your count up?  Hey, I'm always lookin' fer an excuse.   :D

Maybe you just need another 24' U-haul truck with a  steeper ramp!  :-[ :-[ :-[  ;)

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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2012, 01:08:13 pm »
This is on my list of upgrades. Most likely before the end of April.
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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2012, 08:20:17 pm »
BACK IN STOCK  :1rij: :1rij:
Just ordered mine from Murph :P
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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2012, 10:19:33 pm »
this is one of the best upgrades to the bike that you can do. very easy to install and it makes changing the oil filter alot easier and you can stop in a walmart or automotive store to pick up a car style spin on filter instead of having to order a oem one. I don't understand the connection between ease of oil change and riding style of the voyager crowd.


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Last fall I decided to do the cut out  as per the drawing, last week I realized it's only big enough for the spin on filter not the original!!  Messy  :'(

Looks like I still have a few pieces of puzzle to fill in!
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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2012, 11:34:41 pm »
Last fall I decided to do the cut out  as per the drawing, last week I realized it's only big enough for the spin on filter not the original!!  Messy  :'(

Yes, the cutout is for the SPOOFAK equipped. What you can do is just cut the entire crossbar out and then it will work with the stock filter. No downside to that.

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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2012, 11:48:41 pm »
Last fall I decided to do the cut out  as per the drawing, last week I realized it's only big enough for the spin on filter not the original!!  Messy  :'(

Yes, the cutout is for the SPOOFAK equipped. What you can do is just cut the entire crossbar out and then it will work with the stock filter. No downside to that.

Dan
It was easier to go to Murph's and order a SPOOFAK!!!

Looks like I still have a few pieces of puzzle to fill in!
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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2012, 12:03:19 am »
Last fall I decided to do the cut out  as per the drawing, last week I realized it's only big enough for the spin on filter not the original!!  Messy  :'(

Yes, the cutout is for the SPOOFAK equipped. What you can do is just cut the entire crossbar out and then it will work with the stock filter. No downside to that.

Dan
It was easier to go to Murph's and order a SPOOFAK!!!

Why of course!

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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2012, 03:37:04 am »
Test pilot!  Man I like how that sounds. :beerchug:
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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2012, 06:08:43 pm »
Last fall I decided to do the cut out  as per the drawing, last week I realized it's only big enough for the spin on filter not the original!!  Messy  :'(

Yes, the cutout is for the SPOOFAK equipped. What you can do is just cut the entire crossbar out and then it will work with the stock filter. No downside to that.

Dan
It was easier to go to Murph's and order a SPOOFAK!!!

Why of course!

Dan
Ah, the natural progression of things bearing fruit.

"But Honey, I gotz ta have that SPOOFAK to fit the hole I cut in my bellypan. ANd jez think, all that time I save on oil changin' I can spend wit you."

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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2012, 06:22:14 pm »
Last fall I decided to do the cut out  as per the drawing, last week I realized it's only big enough for the spin on filter not the original!!  Messy  :'(

Yes, the cutout is for the SPOOFAK equipped. What you can do is just cut the entire crossbar out and then it will work with the stock filter. No downside to that.

Dan
It was easier to go to Murph's and order a SPOOFAK!!!

Why of course!

Dan
Ah, the natural progression of things bearing fruit.

"But Honey, I gotz ta have that SPOOFAK to fit the hole I cut in my bellypan. ANd jez think, all that time I save on oil changin' I can spend wit you."

TOTALLY BRILLIANT!!!   :You_Rock_Emoticon:
Please don't give me credit for what I hadn't even thought of!!!  ;)

Looks like I still have a few pieces of puzzle to fill in!
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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2012, 06:40:38 pm »
Last fall I decided to do the cut out  as per the drawing, last week I realized it's only big enough for the spin on filter not the original!!  Messy  :'(

Yes, the cutout is for the SPOOFAK equipped. What you can do is just cut the entire crossbar out and then it will work with the stock filter. No downside to that.

Dan
It was easier to go to Murph's and order a SPOOFAK!!!

Why of course!

Dan
Ah, the natural progression of things bearing fruit.

"But Honey, I gotz ta have that SPOOFAK to fit the hole I cut in my bellypan. ANd jez think, all that time I save on oil changin' I can spend wit you."

TOTALLY BRILLIANT!!!   :You_Rock_Emoticon:
Please don't give me credit for what I hadn't even thought of!!!  ;)

Don't worry bro... your secret's safe wit us.  wink wink


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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2012, 12:35:09 am »
I finally put one on my Connie a couple of months ago.

I'm seriously considering it for the wife's ZL600.  Problem is, hers doesn't get enough mileage to change the oil more than once a year.
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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2012, 02:16:53 am »
I finally put one on my Connie a couple of months ago.

I'm seriously considering it for the wife's ZL600.  Problem is, hers doesn't get enough mileage to change the oil more than once a year.

I'm not sure what a ZL600 is, but it is not on the list of qualified Kawasaki models that can use the SPOOFAK kit:

Model Number   Name                  Series                    Years

EX250                   Ninja                  E1, E2; F2-F19; F6F-   1986-Present
EL250                   Eliminator 250        B2                    1988
ZX900                   Ninja                  A1-A3                    1984-1986
ZL900                   Eliminator                  A1-A2                    1985-1986
ZG1000                   Concours                  A1 to A21                    1986-2006
ZL1000                   Eliminator               A1                    1987
ZX1000                   Ninja 1000R            A1-A2                    1986-1987
ZX1000                   Ninja ZX10              B1-B3                    1988-1990
ZX1100 (ZX11)   Ninja                  C1 to C4                    1990-1993
ZX1100 (ZX11)   Ninja                  D1 to D9                    1993-2001
ZX1100                    GPZ1100                  E1 to E3                    1995-1997
ZX1100                   GPZ1100 ABS          F1                    1996
ZR1100                   ZR1100                  A1 to A4                    1992-1995
ZR1100                   ZRX1100                  C3 to C4                    1999-2000
ZR1200                   ZRX1200R               A1 to A5                    2001-2005
ZX1200                   ZZR1200                  C1 to C4                    2002-2005
ZG1200                   Voyager-XII            A1                    1986
ZG1200                   Voyager-XII            B1 to B17                    1987-2003

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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2012, 04:22:46 am »
The ZL600 was a straight-4 cruiser.  I don't think the car tire is stock...

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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2012, 11:41:46 am »
The ZL600 was a straight-4 cruiser.  I don't think the car tire is stock...
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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2012, 02:59:49 pm »
Not to be a smarta$$ but a ZL600 is also an ArcticCat snowmobile but since it's a 2-stroke I don't think SPOOFAK applies.

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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2012, 07:40:58 pm »
Not to be a smarta$$ but a ZL600 is also an ArcticCat snowmobile but since it's a 2-stroke I don't think SPOOFAK applies.

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True, but I'm talking the second genertion Kawasaki Eliminator.  Like to one piced previously, but MUCH nicer!!!

It uses the same oil filter as the ZG1000, so I figured the SPOOFAK should work on it?
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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2012, 11:40:27 am »
Are the bolt and cover the same?
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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2012, 01:40:54 pm »
Not to be a smarta$$ but a ZL600 is also an ArcticCat snowmobile but since it's a 2-stroke I don't think SPOOFAK applies.

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True, but I'm talking the second genertion Kawasaki Eliminator.  Like to one piced previously, but MUCH nicer!!!

It uses the same oil filter as the ZG1000, so I figured the SPOOFAK should work on it?


The oil delivery and filtering system are similar but different enough that using a SPOOFAK is risky as far as assuring adequate oil supply and pressure to the engine.

Briefly, the oil supply port to the filter cavity is at the bottom of the cavity rather than the top (as in Concours, etc.). The oil "fence" or sheet metal cup is inserted under the paper cartridge filter element rather than on top. This the indication of incompatibility. It may work but I can not assure it will work without compromise to oil flow or pressure.

I studied the model qualification in great detail and compiled the list based on the oil pump/filter/assembly/delivery port being identical to the Concours series. Unfortunately, the ZL600 is not.

Here is a cross section of stock vs. spin-on to show how a bottom delivery port could get blocked by the housing:



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Re: SPOOFAK Update
« Reply #49 on: April 09, 2012, 10:14:00 pm »
The oil delivery and filtering system are similar but different enough that using a SPOOFAK is risky as far as assuring adequate oil supply and pressure to the engine.

Briefly, the oil supply port to the filter cavity is at the bottom of the cavity rather than the top (as in Concours, etc.). The oil "fence" or sheet metal cup is inserted under the paper cartridge filter element rather than on top. This the indication of incompatibility. It may work but I can not assure it will work without compromise to oil flow or pressure.

I studied the model qualification in great detail and compiled the list based on the oil pump/filter/assembly/delivery port being identical to the Concours series. Unfortunately, the ZL600 is not.

Dan

Good information and something I was not even aware of.

At the rate I change oil filters on it, I'll stick with the OEM setup then.

Thanks Dan!!!!
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