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AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« on: March 10, 2012, 02:36:27 am »
A few months ago I spoke with Paige over at Aeroflow about making a windshield for the Connie. I have seen his work on various BMWs and have ridden a F650gs with one. My buddy who owns the F650 was a beta tester for the first batch of windsheilds for the F650gs. I was impressed with the quality, the wind protection, silence and the design of his Aeroflow Shield. I was also impressed with the amount of testing Paige does before a windshield goes into production.


My impressions of the stock Kawasaki screen (2011 Connie):
In the full up position, for me, (5'9" 175lbs and a 32" inseam) putting the screen all the way up just created a lot of turbulence and noise. If I open my helmet visor, I get a blast of wind right in my face. So it seems that the stock screen isn't tall enough for me. Wind is one thing but the buffeting and turbulence was VERY annoying. While waiting for Paige to be ready to take on my project, I installed a Laminar Lip which did raise the the wind blast to above my face but it was still noisy.... MUCH better than stock though.

Paige was interested in doing a screen for the Connie. I let him have my bike for testing and design and this is what he came up with (NOTE: this is still not the final design. I will explain the differences with this and the final later in the post):



This is still not the final design but its close. I believe that this is prototype #4. The first prototype was a modified k1200 screen to have a good baseline. He took his K1200 screen, added wings to make it wider and sent me off for testing. I did notice an improvement but it wasn't quite enough. Airflow was smoother but it was still noisy. Wind was hitting me right in the face so it still wasn't tall enough.

The second design was worse than the first so he didn't even bother having me test it!

The third design was very promising. Airflow was markedly smoother. A back to back run with the stock screen and prototype #3 showed a huge improvement in wind and turbulence control. Still a bit noisy as wind was still hitting me in the face but MUCH quieter than stock. At this point, he installed two other items. Hand deflectors and a laminar plate that attaches to the dashboard. The laminar plate was supposed to direct the air up the backside of the windshield and create a smoother blending of the air. Well.... That didn't work out that well. It seemed to direct more air to me, lowering the airflow to below my face. The Hand deflectors were tried with the stock screen and the Prototype #3, With the stock screen, the deflectors worked brilliantly. I noticed a larger bubble of calm air around my hands and up to my shoulders. With prototype #3, it didn't seem to make any marked difference. I think the screen is so good, it doesn't need them.

Prototype #4 is the same as #3 but taller.... we have a winner!! Now I have my calm air! The testing for #4 was done in the span of a few days. Unfortunately, the wind picked up in SoCal and i'm sure it biased the testing. I did a run with the stock windshield to compare. Going eastbound on a freeway, I was in a very noticeable headwind. I was wearing my Bell Revolver helmet which is notoriously noisy. I did about 7 miles eastbound and I was doing about 75mph. The wind noise and turbulence was so bad that my ears hurt. When I turned around and headed west, the wind noise was much quieter that normal.... the tailwind was keeping things calmer and quiet.  Next, prototype #4 went on. I get on the freeway and was disappointed... no headwind. Crap... the wind is very quiet and now I am doing 85 because of how calm it is... after a while I start noticing a few gusts of wind and a little turbulence... then I realize... the wind didn't calm down, the windshield was just THAT MUCH BETTER! I was ecstatic. On the westbound leg, things were so calm and quiet, I was doing 90 mph without realizing it.

Paige let me take my bike home that day. The next day, I took the bike to work. On the way, I did about 110mph, sitting straight up in comfort. I don't usually ride like that on my way to work but I wanted to see what the windshield would do at that speed. It performed better than expectations.

One bad: The taller screen seems to bounce around quite a bit more than the stock screen. It seems the mounts have a lot of flex in them. I check this forum and it seems that others with different brands of screens have the same problem.

Prototype #4 vs Final design
Not sure if it is very noticeable in the pics, but the Aeroflow windshield has a lip on each side of the windshield mount. This lip helps to direct airflow and it also acts as a ridge to give the windshield strength. The final design has a longer ridge and is more parallel to the windshield mount. I believe that Paige will offer the Windshield at different heights to please different riders and their needs.

here's a few more pics

FRONT VIEW WITH SHIELD AT DIFFERENT HEIGHTS


SIDE VIEW WITH SHIELD AT DIFFERENT HEIGHTS


Pricing isn't done yet. He still has to make molds and do a price analysis.

Disclaimer:
I am not associated with Paige or Aerflow except that I like his products and believe in how he does things. After all the testing and time he put into this project, I have I higher respect for him and I now consider him a dear friend. I won't make any money on the sale of the windshields but I think after all the testing, I'll probably get Final Shield #1 from him for free :)

Aeroflow is a mom and pop operation. Its Paige and his wife running the show. Windshields for motorcycles is all he does and he is a craftsman. He doesn't churn out a ton of product and sells them cheap. He crafts quality products that has been tested thouroughly.

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2012, 02:48:04 am »
What hand wings are those Jose? Same mfg as the shield??
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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2012, 03:00:57 am »
The hand wings are made by Aeroflow as well, I explained in the text above (I know its long) that they seem to work great with the stock Connie shield but add little to the Aerflow shield. The Aeroflow shield seems to help cover the hands and shoulders good enough not to require the wings.

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2012, 03:25:56 am »
The hand wings are made by Aeroflow as well, I explained in the text above (I know its long) that they seem to work great with the stock Connie shield but add little to the Aerflow shield. The Aeroflow shield seems to help cover the hands and shoulders good enough not to require the wings.

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Cool, thanks. Sorry I must have missed that part, I'm not much for reading but did look through all the pics!  :)
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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2012, 03:57:08 am »
On the side view picture, it seems when the shield is all the way up, you are looking through it. I like to look over it.

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2012, 04:42:09 am »
Uhm, thats why you have the little switch to lower and raise the shield!

Actually, with my Baldwin seat (aprox 1 inch higher than stock) and me sitting straight up, at speed, I am still looking above it when the shield is fully raised. At about 80mph the windshield mounts flexes and the shield tilts back a bit. The windshield itself does not flex, but the stock kawaski mounts seem to flex a bit. That is why (as I explained earlier, the shield moves with the wind at high speeds). I think (from reading on this site) that is a normal occurrence with larger windshields.

At 75-80 mph I seem to have the windshield about 3/4 of the way up and it is very effective. I too like to look over the shield, I did that with the stock shield fully raised. The difference now is the noise levels and buffetting are far, far less than with the stock shield. On the 2010s and up, there is a setting to automatically raise the shield to a preset setting. I now set it to 3 (out of 4) which is approx 3/4 raised. I can look over the shield and still have good wind protection.

edit to add:
I believe he will be offering the shield in different heights. Besides, when it rains, its nice to be able to raise the shield as high as possible!

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2012, 04:45:30 am »
Also, forgot to mention.... the headlight guards are Aeroflow as well...

Here's his website if you wanna check it out

http://www.aeroflowscreens.com/index.htm


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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2012, 04:51:12 am »
Have you used other screens like the Cal Sci, CB, Vstream? We need a quality screen to compare it to!

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2012, 04:55:58 am »
Nope. Paige at Aeroflow is talking to an owner of an 08 Concours that has (I think) a V-Stream shield on his bike. He will loan him a pre-production screen for him to evaluate.

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2012, 01:37:24 pm »
A buddy of mine has an airflow on his BMW 1300GT, he says it does a great job. I have a CeeBailey ultra tour domed and it I really like it. It looks like it belongs on the bike and has the same curve at the top as the one in your side view. I have had no trouble with it wobbling at high speeds and with the adjustment I can get wind in my face or have it go over my head. The only thing I would like is a little wider shield and it looks like the air flow addresses that.
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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2012, 02:58:28 pm »
Having worked with Paige on the prototypes for the K1200LT back in 2000, I can say that he builds quality shields. I currently have my 08 stock shield, a mini euro dome, and a maxi euro domed.  I switch them with the weather. If Paige can come up with a good C14 shield I'll be more than happy to give it a shot.

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2012, 05:35:55 pm »
It is good to hear that AeroFlow will be making a C-14 shield.  I currently have a Cee Bailey Ultra tour domed which works well for me riding solo.  However all of our long trips my wife is pillion rider and would like some better coverage.  This might be the answer.  I'll have to phone Paige and speak to him about it.  I did have his shield on my ST1300 and it worked good for me but did not work to her.  I ended up using a Clearview GT-large with the AeroFlow lower dash mount laminar air-flow director.

As a note:  With the CeeBailey I notice the flexing of the factory mounting arms as mention eariler.

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2012, 03:41:11 am »
Sometime this week, I am hoping to hear from the guy with the 08 Connie and see how the Aeroflow compares to his V Stream. I'll keep ya'll posted!

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2012, 03:43:01 pm »
Hi Everyone,

I am the other AeroFlow tester. I have worked with Paige on several projects.

The windscreen on my 2010 C14 has been a problem since the day I brought it home. The stock screen was terrible. Coming from my ST1300 and an AeroFlow sceen. I could not find any position that worked with the stock part. The worst problem was the helmet bobble when riding 2 up- It would create an helmet oscillation sideways of about 2-3 inches. It would only stop with the screen all the way up. (I like to ride with the screen all the way down).

I  first purchased a “laminar lip” and like what it did. The helmet buffeting was gone, but there was slightly more turbulence at all times.

I then added a V-stream screen. This was much better than the “lip” but still did not provide the smooth air with the screen down. There was some back pressure developed with this screen.

Now for the AeroFlow- This is the smoothest screen yet for me on the C14. It still must be raised slightly, but is very quiet and smooth. I have had the screen in all kinds of situations and it works great. There are a few little quirks with the screen that I am working with Paige on the final design now. I think he has a winner for the C14.

Thanks   Tom

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2012, 09:09:23 pm »
Somehow it kind of looks weird to me, looks like an open Oyster or some kind of shell to me, not putting it down, but looks weird from the front of the bike, i just bought a cee bailey and it follows the bike lines, just my opinion.... works great for me and a few more people here in the forum... just my two cents  :-[

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2012, 09:31:06 pm »
And that's why its nice to have choices.

For me, I want a shield that gives me smooth, quiet air first... looks are second. But I don't mind the looks of the Aeroflow shield. And after riding behind one and how quiet it is, I can't even remember what it looks like!

Paige just emailed me an update. He just test rode my bike with the final design. He says the new screen seems to work even better than Prototype#4. He can lower the screen even more and still be in calm air. Unfortunately, due to my work schedule, I won't be able to make it down there for at least a week. But i'm itching to try it out. Hopefully Tom will get a chance to test it out soon.

Thanks Tom for your comments, I'm glad that your impressions were on par with mine.

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2012, 11:05:53 pm »
Paige just installed the latest design on my bike- I'll test it for a couple of days.

One thing with the AeroFlow screens, every peice of the plastic and the shape has a function. The screen has the specific shape to get it to work properly.  If you have never ridden behind an AeroFlow screen, you really owe it to yourself to see how smooth things can really be. The amount of testing and design changes is staggering.

We have a couple of more idea's that we are going to try.

The screen really looks much better on the bike than the pictures show.

More to follow...........
Thanks  Tom

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2014, 06:18:03 pm »
I know this is an old thread, but.......
Maybe I missed the updates somewhere????  What was the verdict?  Learning all I can!!!! LOL
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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2014, 06:50:21 pm »
I know this is an old thread, but.......
Maybe I missed the updates somewhere????  What was the verdict?  Learning all I can!!!! LOL


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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2014, 07:24:28 pm »
  I was hoping for an actual ride report from those who have them.  2 different guys were originally testing them.....so how did it work out in the real world?  Thanks for the link by the way.  I was googling windscreens when I cam across this thread.  Looked promising.
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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2014, 07:52:02 pm »
I got one from a forum member and it's the best screen out there. Just did 4500 KMs with it and the verdict is great. I have had all the other ones. There is a small amount of helmet buffeting but very little. One thing I did find was when the shield is up the wind comes in the rear vents of the helmet. Don't know what this means in the rain as I didn't get any on the trip. Could just be my helmet as well. I rode with it only halfway up most of the time. 

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2014, 04:25:03 pm »
If you want looks go for a different bike. I would much rather be comfortable than worry about looks!

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2014, 02:33:33 am »
 I tested the Cee Bailey, CalSci and AeroFlow talls and ended up buying the AeroFlow. I ride 2up 1/2 the time and it was the quietest and very little buffeting for my wife. I have it up in the highest position when 2up and have to look thru the windshield and have it all the way down when alone or put on the stock for long rides when it is hot out.

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2014, 02:58:00 am »
I tested the Cee Bailey, CalSci and AeroFlow talls and ended up buying the AeroFlow. I ride 2up 1/2 the time and it was the quietest and very little buffeting for my wife. I have it up in the highest position when 2up and have to look thru the windshield and have it all the way down when alone or put on the stock for long rides when it is hot out.

How tall are you and which screen did you buy?

Laker had one at the Maineville tech session that he really seemed to like but I do not know which size it was. I am sure at 6 3 I would want the tall

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Re: AeroFlow Concours14 Windshield... coming soon!
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2014, 03:33:35 am »
I'm 5'9" and I only have to put it halfway up to get quiet. That is riding solo.