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Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« on: March 09, 2012, 04:12:31 am »
Hi Guys,

I'm relatively new to this forum.  I bought my 2011 C14 in Tucson about a month ago and rode it home to California.  What a great bike!  Like most owners I'm compiling a list of farkles I "need."  I tend to focus on practical rather than sparkle farkles (remember her?).  In that regard, what's the story with the aftermarket luggage racks that are so popular?  It seems to me that the rear rack weight limit of 22 pounds suggested by Kawasaki would be determined by the strength of the whole tail piece, not the rack.  A 7" by 12" plastic rack is not going to break under the weight of a 22 pound load or even double that.  Is there something I'm not understanding?  Or am I just wrong?

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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2012, 04:41:20 am »
I have the large kawi top bag on that plastic rack. It wobbles on the rode and with my Corbin seat the passenger is cramped. I am about to go with one phils racks because with all this movement something will eventually give. If it was not for the top bag I would probably not consider a change.

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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2012, 04:41:27 am »
The plastic oem racks will flex while riding and your trunk will bounce around, a quality metal rack (like Phils) won't...  :)
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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2012, 07:40:53 am »
It's like what has already been said. The issue isn't just strength,  it's also stability. There have been reports in the past of the OEM rack failing.

It's your call for your bike AND passenger. If the rack fails, you "may loose" more than just what was mounted to the rack!
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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2012, 07:52:00 am »
Yeah, that nice solid aftermarket rack just gives me a sense of security.  Solid bolts going through metal are holding both the backrest and the trunk mounted behind it.  Neither one of them is about to let go.

Now don't get me wrong; I really enjoy it when certain passengers snuggle up tight, but I don't want them to do that because they fear being dumped off the back.  Call me old-fashioned.

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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2012, 10:27:17 am »
I put Phil's rack on, with the Givi monokey hardware already installed. It is longer way more rigid being machined out of a block of aluminum, compared to the flimsy plastic oem rack.

This way, when I mount my top-case, it is 2" (and a little) lower than if I used the Givi monokey adapter plate attached to the rack. It rides better flat on the rack, and it looks better, too.
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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 02:14:01 pm »
Steve, I may be in the best position to offer something since I get feedback from hundreds of people. If you look at the stock rack and analyze the holding points you will see the whole thing is held by about 2-3 mm of plastic under the bushing and mounting screws. The grab-rails are plastic (flexible) and I've found the suspension to be pretty "bouncy", when you hit a bump and the load bounces up, there isn't much holding it to the bike. The 22 Lb. weight limit isn't always in compression, hit a bump and it's in tension for a split second and all that's holding it is those 2-3 mm of plastic under the bushings.  Install a trunk with a passenger leaning against it and you apply a lifting force to the front 2 screws. I've had guys tell me their rack cracked on the second or third ride even when unloaded. Not the least reason, it was actually the real reason I made my own rack, it just looks better.
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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2012, 02:55:24 pm »
Ah. I don't have a top case, but it's now clear.  Thanks.

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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2012, 05:08:22 pm »
Ah. I don't have a top case, but it's now clear.  Thanks.

Ah, so you weren't really asking because you have a need, but because you considered buying a better rack to not be a practical farkle and you wanted to let us know thats how you felt.

Now I understand.    :-[
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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2012, 07:37:39 pm »
  Solid bolts going through metal are holding both the backrest and the trunk mounted behind it. 


Bolted onto the plastic grab rails.  ;D

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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2012, 08:09:28 pm »
  Solid bolts going through metal are holding both the backrest and the trunk mounted behind it. 


Bolted onto the plastic grab rails.  ;D

I really leaned on those rails when I had the oem rack off and was trying to make Phil's rack go on. They didn't budge. If that is plastic, its the toughest plastic I ever saw! Heh.
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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2012, 01:26:01 pm »
I ride 1 up all the time and have a tail bag on mine. So the ugly stock rack isn't seen. BUT if I was 2 ride 2 up a lot I would get Phils rack to mount a trunk to.


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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2012, 10:05:02 pm »
Well, Privateer, just because I don't have a top case doesn't mean I don't have other kinds of luggage to pile on the back.  It is now clear to me that I don't need a different rack for that luggage.

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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2012, 01:50:16 pm »
Hi Phil - I could use your help! :-[

I've got a SHAD SH50 on the way and wasn't planning on doing anything other than the universal mount to the OEM rack on my 2011 . . .  until I read your post.

A) if I understand you correctly your rack replaces the OEM exactly - using the same mounting holes? Not sure how that increases the strength other than the rigidity of the rack itself . . .

B) I think your site says to send my SHAD mounting plate in and you'll adapt your rack to the plate - correct?

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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2012, 02:44:44 pm »
Shad plates consist of a steel lower plate that attaches to the rack, then a plastic top cover to which the trunk attaches. The two are bolted together. Under the rear latch there are 1 or 2 screws that go UP through the steel plate into the plastic top cover. When the plate is in place you can't access the screws underneath. That may have changed. If not, I will make metal threaded inserts to attach to the steel plate and drill from the top so the screws tie the two together but can be accessed from on top. all the other attaching screws are accessable from the top. I don't know what they were thinking with this catch-22 set-up, and it may have been changed. I have a Shad-50L on my bike and really like the room and quality. When your trunk arrives check it out and if needed, send it to me and I'll modify it and return everything with a rack. No charge for the mod. These photos shows the two inserts and the new screrw locations. 





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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2012, 02:59:53 pm »
Hmmmm - thanks Phil.  (Sorry if I'm a little slow . . .  I blame it on old age creepin' in)

So . . . 

- your rack uses OEM mounting holes
- SHAD bottom metal plate bolts to your rack (w/ mods)
- SHAD plastic trunk "receiver" plate then screws to SHAD metal plate

I expect SHAD the end of the month (they were suddenly out of stock) - I'll take a llok at it and give you a shout.

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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2012, 03:30:38 pm »
Sorry, my error, I got called to lunch in the middle of my dissertation and didn't answer your question. Yes, my rack is a drop-in replacement, uses all stock hardware, in the stock mounting holes.  A chain is only as strong as the weakest link. The grab-rails are plastic, and the rack attaches with 4-6mm screws. My rack is a hundred times stronger than either, but it is rock-solid and rigid. My rack has slots running front-to-rear, I have T-nuts made that securely attach the metal plate to the rack through the slots. It's then easy to adjust forward-back with an Allen wrench all from on top of the rack. By selecting different holes/slots in the steel plate you can pick any position you might want, and it's easy to drill new ones if none of them give you what you want.  It's almost impossible to reach the forward underside of the rack with a wrench so I came up with the T-nuts.
Here's a photo of an MUCH EARLIER Shad steel plate The newer ones are much better, and the top cover.
Below that is a photo of the T-nuts, on the right vs. the supplied Shad hardware.
 

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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2012, 06:07:58 pm »
Hi Guys,

I'm relatively new to this forum.  I bought my 2011 C14 in Tucson about a month ago and rode it home to California.  What a great bike!  Like most owners I'm compiling a list of farkles I "need."  I tend to focus on practical rather than sparkle farkles (remember her?).  In that regard, what's the story with the aftermarket luggage racks that are so popular?  It seems to me that the rear rack weight limit of 22 pounds suggested by Kawasaki would be determined by the strength of the whole tail piece, not the rack.  A 7" by 12" plastic rack is not going to break under the weight of a 22 pound load or even double that.  Is there something I'm not understanding?  Or am I just wrong?

Steve


Hi Steve,
I have been running the stock rack with a JC Whitney 39 Liter trunk since 2007. Using a Aluminum backing plate helped keep the trunk from rocking. I have since painted it black.


I only use the truck for longer than weekend rides but have toured fully loaded from Wisconsin to the Grand Canyon and the East Coast on two of the longest rides.


That being said I have seen many C-14's with Phil's rack installed and it is a fine farkle. I just could not justify the added cost of a high end (cost) trunk and aftermarket rack that only gets used for touring duty.

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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2012, 12:13:31 pm »
I have my passenger backrest mounted to mine...





In addition to making my wife more comfortable, it works well as a support for luggage...

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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2013, 01:08:28 am »
Hmmmm - thanks Phil.  (Sorry if I'm a little slow . . .  I blame it on old age creepin' in)

So . . . 

- your rack uses OEM mounting holes
- SHAD bottom metal plate bolts to your rack (w/ mods)
- SHAD plastic trunk "receiver" plate then screws to SHAD metal plate

I expect SHAD the end of the month (they were suddenly out of stock) - I'll take a llok at it and give you a shout.

Thanks again


Ben


Did you ever get your SHAD SH50 installed?  Did you use Phil's mounting plate?  How satisfied are you?
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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2013, 02:29:21 am »
Jack, that backrest is pretty cool...who makes that?
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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2013, 03:28:22 am »
Jack, that backrest is pretty cool...who makes that?


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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2013, 12:20:25 pm »
It is a Givi scooter backrest.  There are a few different kinds, lots of info on this site about them and the other site too.
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2013, 01:21:57 pm »
Givi makes the TB-19 and  TB-531 scooter backrests that adapt pretty well for use on the C-14. 
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Re: Aftermarket Luggage Racks . . . . why?
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2013, 11:53:13 pm »
Phil I have the factory Kawasaki trunk, apparently made by givi or kappa.  I will never carry a passenger.  Is it thought that the factory rack may break under those conditions?
I was also surprised on  your site that you need the givi mount plate with the Kaw trunk but not with the other type of givi trunk.  I thought all their mount plates were the same.  Not so?
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