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A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« on: December 30, 2011, 06:31:33 pm »
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My name is Patrick from A&R Motorsports. Recently we released a HID for the Concours 14 with step by step instructions so that even some of the most technically challenged folks can install there own HID kit. I want to stress that this is not a sales call so to speak, I am hoping that someone can provide some input on our Concours kit.

If you havent seen the kit you can take a gander at it here. http://www.aandrmotorsport.com/store/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=1426


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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2011, 09:43:58 pm »
Looks pretty nice.  Thx.
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2011, 10:59:35 pm »
I put a set of these on 1 1/2 years ago and they are still going strong, I got the 6500k and they have a light blue tint and it gets a lot of attention from oncoming people.  How do I know, the riders in front of me tell me how much I stand out from a distance.

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2011, 03:13:54 pm »
I recently purchased and installed the HID light kit (4300k) from Rob @ A&R. A straight forward install once I identified a suitable location or the ballast, ignitors and relay.  Pretty much plug and play after that. The light output is a considerable improvement (once the headlights are properly adjusted  ;)) and have had no issues with blinding oncomming traffic.  This should be high on the Farkle priority list for Connie's.

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2011, 03:41:50 pm »
Just ordered, thanks Patrick.  :beerchug:
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2011, 04:12:20 pm »
Edit: No thanks.
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2011, 10:49:08 pm »
Do you have to run wires to the battery?

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2011, 11:07:11 pm »
Thanks Patrick! I should be ordering in the next few weeks. Another have to have Farkle!!!
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2012, 01:01:47 am »
I am asking about a battery wire due to the headlight being powered when the switch is turned on and then cycled with the start button.  I understand that the ballasts are sensitive and some run a delay etc to avoid this damage possibility.  I thought kits like the goldwinghids.com  kit avoided this by running power directly to the battery but I am searching for answers.  thanks

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2012, 09:14:41 am »
I am asking about a battery wire due to the headlight being powered when the switch is turned on and then cycled with the start button.  I understand that the ballasts are sensitive and some run a delay etc to avoid this damage possibility.  I thought kits like the goldwinghids.com  kit avoided this by running power directly to the battery but I am searching for answers.  thanks

The kit that I received has a dedicated 12v wire (originally designed for an SV650 IIRC).  Great quality kit.
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2012, 01:31:33 pm »
Got this kit a couple of months ago. Love it. I had it on my last bike too. I consider this a safety farkle. Not only can you see better at night, but the cars can see you a lot better in the daylight. Really stands out copared to standard light bulbs. I got the 6000K. And yes it does have a direct wire to the battery.

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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2012, 02:47:29 pm »
Thanks for the info.  I cannot access the link.  Is there any special forum discount?  Thanks.

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2012, 05:45:40 pm »
Yes, I think it is $120 with $10 shipping.

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2012, 05:50:55 pm »
next on my list  more light, which level  works best    seems  some get  the 4300 some the 6500   anyone have  the  brighter levels    do  they produce more  heat  and more current draw   thank you     happy new  year

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2012, 05:06:06 pm »
next on my list  more light, which level  works best    seems  some get  the 4300 some the 6500   anyone have  the  brighter levels    do  they produce more  heat  and more current draw   thank you     happy new  year

Actually the higher levels produce less light.  The number (4300K, 6000K.....) refers to the temperature in Kelvin.  Anything higher than 4300K-5000K starts producing less light to give the blue, green, or purple hue.  I chose a 6000K kit since it seems to stand out (at least to me) and I wanted to be noticed in traffic.  And as far as I know there is no difference in current draw, HID actually is more efficient than a halogen bulb so you should be good to go with whatever temperature (color) you choose.
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2012, 03:42:22 pm »
Yes, I think it is $120 with $10 shipping.

Free shipping if in the Continental US.

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2012, 03:52:50 pm »
I am asking about a battery wire due to the headlight being powered when the switch is turned on and then cycled with the start button.  I understand that the ballasts are sensitive and some run a delay etc to avoid this damage possibility.  I thought kits like the goldwinghids.com  kit avoided this by running power directly to the battery but I am searching for answers.  thanks

Yes, we run power directly from the battery on the C14 kit. We include a battery relay harness that is tailor made for your bike. So sorry it took me so long to reply, I forgot my laptop at work over the weekend lol

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2012, 11:57:31 pm »
THANKS!  I appreciate the reply and info. 

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2012, 10:23:03 am »
So is there no way to connect these to the OEM headlight wiring harness?

On the ZX14, to take the top cowl off, you have to disconnect that harness in order to pull the cowl away from the bike.

A bunch of us purchased HID kits from DDM Tuning, and all we had to do was replace the bulbs, mount the ballasts and starters, and connect the HID wiring harness (it has spade connectors) to the bike-side OEM headlight harness connectors.

I run 35W 6,000 and with four of them, they start every time and run fine on the OEM headlight circuit. Guys have put in 55W HIDs and most of them have the same result. A couple had lamp start problems but that was most likely due to less than solid connections.

You can't do it this way on the C14?
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2012, 03:01:27 pm »
So is there no way to connect these to the OEM headlight wiring harness?

On the ZX14, to take the top cowl off, you have to disconnect that harness in order to pull the cowl away from the bike.

A bunch of us purchased HID kits from DDM Tuning, and all we had to do was replace the bulbs, mount the ballasts and starters, and connect the HID wiring harness (it has spade connectors) to the bike-side OEM headlight harness connectors.

I run 35W 6,000 and with four of them, they start every time and run fine on the OEM headlight circuit. Guys have put in 55W HIDs and most of them have the same result. A couple had lamp start problems but that was most likely due to less than solid connections.

You can't do it this way on the C14?

A&R's kit uses the stock headlight plug to switch from low to high.  The extra 12v wire is easy enough to install and also puts less of a strain (or so it would seem to me) on the headlight wiring.
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2012, 03:51:45 pm »
So is there no way to connect these to the OEM headlight wiring harness?

On the ZX14, to take the top cowl off, you have to disconnect that harness in order to pull the cowl away from the bike.

A bunch of us purchased HID kits from DDM Tuning, and all we had to do was replace the bulbs, mount the ballasts and starters, and connect the HID wiring harness (it has spade connectors) to the bike-side OEM headlight harness connectors.

I run 35W 6,000 and with four of them, they start every time and run fine on the OEM headlight circuit. Guys have put in 55W HIDs and most of them have the same result. A couple had lamp start problems but that was most likely due to less than solid connections.

You can't do it this way on the C14?

You can do it that way but it is less than ideal. The strain on your factory wiring is enormous, you just don't see it. The downfall of a direct connect kit isn't something you see right away, but later down the road when you start having expensive electrical issues.

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2012, 05:36:05 pm »
So is there no way to connect these to the OEM headlight wiring harness?

On the ZX14, to take the top cowl off, you have to disconnect that harness in order to pull the cowl away from the bike.

A bunch of us purchased HID kits from DDM Tuning, and all we had to do was replace the bulbs, mount the ballasts and starters, and connect the HID wiring harness (it has spade connectors) to the bike-side OEM headlight harness connectors.

I run 35W 6,000 and with four of them, they start every time and run fine on the OEM headlight circuit. Guys have put in 55W HIDs and most of them have the same result. A couple had lamp start problems but that was most likely due to less than solid connections.

You can't do it this way on the C14?

You can do it that way but it is less than ideal. The strain on your factory wiring is enormous, you just don't see it. The downfall of a direct connect kit isn't something you see right away, but later down the road when you start having expensive electrical issues.

-Patrick

Maybe our electrical systems on the ZX14s are tougher than the C14.... NOBODY has had any trouble in over 3 years of running DDM Tuning HIDs plugged only into the OEM frame-side headlight wiring harness.

For my part, no hesitation in coming on ever, volt display mode on console same as always, no blown fuses (no change from OEM fuses), in short, absolutely no problems in 3 years of heavy use, since low beam (2 bulbs) is on all the time.

Plus the Hyabusa folks were doing it long before we were, and if they'd had problems it would have got posted on zx14ninjaforum quickly.

I was just curious... besides, there is no reason it would be an electrical problem, the fuse would blow first.
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2012, 10:46:42 pm »
I was having an issue with mine. The C14 does not turn on the headlights till you start the engine, only the city lights come on with the key. Well one of my bulbs or sometimes both would not come on when I would start the bike. I called Rob at A&R and he told me that is a strain on the HID bulbs trying to come on the same time the engine is starting. I would have to turn off the engine and try it again 2 or 3 times until they would stay on. So after talking to Rob, he says he has run into this before and suggested to run the hot wire that is coming off the plug that goes into the stock headlight plug to the hot wire from the city lights. That way the HID lights come on along with the city lights when the key is turned on. He just said turn the key on for about 5 or 10 sec before hitting the starter to allow them the warm a few seconds. I did this and have not had any more problems.

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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2012, 11:45:42 pm »
This is what I was referring to in POST 8.

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2012, 12:33:08 am »
Ok, there is also a main red wire going to the battery. But it was the white wire from the headlight plug that I ran up to the city lights to power when key is turned on.