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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2012, 10:21:05 am »
I was having an issue with mine. The C14 does not turn on the headlights till you start the engine, only the city lights come on with the key. Well one of my bulbs or sometimes both would not come on when I would start the bike. I called Rob at A&R and he told me that is a strain on the HID bulbs trying to come on the same time the engine is starting. I would have to turn off the engine and try it again 2 or 3 times until they would stay on. So after talking to Rob, he says he has run into this before and suggested to run the hot wire that is coming off the plug that goes into the stock headlight plug to the hot wire from the city lights. That way the HID lights come on along with the city lights when the key is turned on. He just said turn the key on for about 5 or 10 sec before hitting the starter to allow them the warm a few seconds. I did this and have not had any more problems.

I'm not saying Rob is wrong, per se. I'm just saying the ZX14 lights (high and low beam) don't come on until you fire the engine either, and that the low beams are then on all the time, and that we never have had one single problem with DDM Tuning HIDs coming on or running when directly wired into the OEM frame-side headlight harness.

Warm the the starters up? The ballasts and starters on DDM Tuning kits are solid state, they don't need to warm up. Thumb the starter, by the time the engine is running the lights are on, kick the high beam switch, bam! the high beams are on instantly, without even a flicker. No problems. Ever. After 3+ years and 100+ installations on ZX14s.

The C14 can't be all that different in the headlight circuit, can it?

And surely A&R is using solid state components too, so those don't need to be warmed up either? In fact, just the opposite, cold is a solid state component's friend (up to a point).

Also, the DDM Tuning kits had an option to buy a relay, but almost nobody used one after we found out it wasn't necessary, not even with 55W components.

If the startup phase (of the HID lamps) put extra load on the circuit, it is undetectable, because the OEM fuse for the headlights never pops. And the wires used in the harness are capable of carrying far more current than a piddly little HID starter / ballast combination is going to use to start the lamps. 

I just don't accept there is a problem, based on observing all the installations reported at zx14ninjaforum over the last 3+ years.
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2012, 12:24:48 pm »
Has anybody found a city light that will last?

I have gone through 3 different brand of city lights and they all burn out after a very short time, maybe just a few months of use.  Mine are out now and I haven't bothered to replace them this time.

Just wondering if anybody else has this problem and if you found a brand of city light that will last.

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2012, 12:48:36 pm »
Just searched and found this thread. 

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,29855.msg132617.html#msg132617

I purchased a set of the LED mentioned in the thread.  They are ok, and I like the light.
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2012, 02:51:12 pm »
Just searched and found this thread. 

Thanks, I just logged back on and did the unread post since last visit and near the top was that thread.
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2012, 11:40:48 pm »
My A&R HID kit arrived yesterday, got it installed today!  8)

I went with the 6000k kit, quality parts and setup.  :great:

Thanks Patrick, pleasure doing business with you.  :08:





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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2012, 10:49:26 pm »
recd my kit today somehow the link to the hid install instructions  on the sheet from a&r  shows no page found mmmmm  typed per instructions   anyone  help me pls

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« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2012, 11:04:38 pm »
recd my kit today somehow the link to the hid install instructions  on the sheet from a&r  shows no page found mmmmm  typed per instructions   anyone  help me pls

Add a lower case L to the end 3G and try it again, trust me.  :)
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2012, 11:22:35 pm »
thank yu zg  one meets such a good bunch of people on this site  what would we do without them  pjw

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2012, 11:28:24 pm »
Maybe one of you guys can help but when I try to get into A&R's website I get this every time:

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You don't have permission to access /directions/concourshidinstructions.html on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2012, 11:31:37 pm »
That sounds like a brief server glitch, TJ.  Try it again; I did it again just now and it worked fine for me.

If it doesn't work for you, try allowing http://www.aandrmotorsport.com/ to pass through your popup blocker. 

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2012, 01:29:48 am »
no luck.  I am VERY interested in this kit but if I cannot access the instructions online it is pointless.    However, as an update I can access the site on my iPhone.  I guess it is my ISP.
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2012, 02:46:04 am »
thank yu zg  one meets such a good bunch of people on this site  what would we do without them  pjw

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2012, 04:39:45 pm »
I purchased the kit prior to release of the installation instructions for the C14 so I had to figure out mounting locations for the ballast and igniters, etc.
I found a suitable location for the ballast on the inside of the upper fairing right below the mirror mounts and forward of the glove box / evap canistor (CA bike), the igniters were attached to adjacent brackets in these areas. The area for the ballast is not quite the same width as the ballast but the stack up thickness of the velcro accommodates for the difference in width and provides for sufficient mounting strength. The relay was attached underneath the tank cover with velcro.
This mounting process mitigated the removal of multiple fairing pieces and should reduce the installation time to about an hour.
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2012, 04:59:17 pm »
recd my kit today somehow the link to the hid install instructions  on the sheet from a&r  shows no page found mmmmm  typed per instructions   anyone  help me pls

We had a bit of a blonde moment there. I will be revising the thank you letters today. So very sorry for the confusion.


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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2012, 11:56:40 pm »
have a 09 and the bike shown in the instructions is  i think is an 08  there are differences  and so have to mix and match  places to attach  the parts  interested about where  the relay was placed under the tank cover and any  places that  served as attachment points for the rest of the parts, as always  thanks folks

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2012, 11:04:06 am »
My A&R HID kit arrived yesterday, got it installed today!  8)

I went with the 6000k kit, quality parts and setup.  :great:

Thanks Patrick, pleasure doing business with you.  :08:


Looks great, I would like to add HIDs, but I'm chicken... :-[
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2012, 03:47:12 am »
I was having an issue with mine. The C14 does not turn on the headlights till you start the engine, only the city lights come on with the key. Well one of my bulbs or sometimes both would not come on when I would start the bike. I called Rob at A&R and he told me that is a strain on the HID bulbs trying to come on the same time the engine is starting. I would have to turn off the engine and try it again 2 or 3 times until they would stay on. So after talking to Rob, he says he has run into this before and suggested to run the hot wire that is coming off the plug that goes into the stock headlight plug to the hot wire from the city lights. That way the HID lights come on along with the city lights when the key is turned on. He just said turn the key on for about 5 or 10 sec before hitting the starter to allow them the warm a few seconds. I did this and have not had any more problems.


Ditto here. Been e-mailing Rob for the past couple weeks with the same issue. Rob was / is fantastic at communicating and helping as much as possible.

Did the exact same mod, running the run wire off the city lights, which works, but needs the 10 or 15 second warm up. Rob even sent me a third ballast to see if that was the issue and unfortunately, didn't change the situation. But again, 10 or 15 seconds and they both come on and stay on. I'm o.k. with that.

I also notice from ZG's pic that the has the same color variation I have. One being slightly more yellow in color than the other. Not a big deal, just noticeable overall.

These, along with 24x7's LED lamps, have me getting noticed quite well. Only once have I been flashed, but I really don't care. I WANT them to see me.

A shot with my old aux lamp compared to the HIDs and LED on the left side of the bike. Don't really look that purplish in real life. Clean, white light with the 4300s.


Would definitely pony up again for this kit. But I keep a spare halogen bulb tucked away - just in case! :great:
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2012, 04:58:29 am »
I also notice from ZG's pic that the has the same color variation I have. One being slightly more yellow in color than the other. Not a big deal, just noticeable overall.


 :017: You must be seeing something I don't Mike? Maybe odd glare from my BB pic??
I haven't noticed any color variation on mine, sorry, I'm quite pleased with my setup, no complaints here at all...
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2012, 01:49:59 pm »
ZG, I couldn't replicate the color difference with my camera. I notice in your picture the yellow(er) tones in the right (pictured - not sitting). It's below the centerline, just above and to the right of the city lights. I think it becomes less and less as the bulbs warm and stabilize.

I'm very much in agreement with you - they are great lights!

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2012, 03:17:43 pm »
Do these type of light systems have a high and low beam ?

We sometime back purchase a set of these type of lights for our element and we disliked the fact of not have a high and low beam.

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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2012, 03:52:48 pm »
Do these type of light systems have a high and low beam ?

Yes they do have both high and low beam.
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2012, 06:29:47 pm »
Any one tried either the 5 or 15 led plug in City Light replacements yet? Or does the larger size not fit in there?
 any one have a picture comparo?

Nice stuff, i been putting off any replacement since I bought the bike in 07, and frankly I think the quality back then was not as good as it seems to be today..... might have to switch thought this year... 8)

Do these type of light systems have a high and low beam ?

Yes they do have both high and low beam.

the site shows the bulb as the type where it is actually a single bulb in a shroud, and the bulb is moved within the shroud in or out, to achieve the difference in the hi/lo effect, there are not 2 separate bulbs in the holder...just mentioning this.
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2012, 08:07:16 pm »
Any one tried either the 5 or 15 led plug in City Light replacements yet? Or does the larger size not fit in there?
 any one have a picture comparo?

Nice stuff, i been putting off any replacement since I bought the bike in 07, and frankly I think the quality back then was not as good as it seems to be today..... might have to switch thought this year... 8)

Do these type of light systems have a high and low beam ?

Yes they do have both high and low beam.

the site shows the bulb as the type where it is actually a single bulb in a shroud, and the bulb is moved within the shroud in or out, to achieve the difference in the hi/lo effect, there are not 2 separate bulbs in the holder...just mentioning this.

This is correct, I agree.
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Re: A&R Motorsports HID kit input
« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2012, 03:11:11 am »
Can these lights be connected to a switched accessory fuse box instead of directly to the battery and if so what amp fuse would be needed for that particular circuit?  Thanks