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Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« on: February 11, 2013, 09:51:35 pm »
Even though I have carefully studied all the cruise control content on COG, I am still hesitant (because of confusion?) as to which cruise control I will buy and install. McCruise is immediately crossed off my list because of the high cost (3-4x more). I am retired (lots of free time), mechanically inclined with lots of tools, which means that I am unafraid of installations that require time and mechanical aptitude. That being said, I want to ask COG members their opinion as to which is the better system.

The Audiovox needs a vacuum canister but the Rostra doesn't (speed sensor only). The Audiovox is much cheaper (less than 1/3) in price than the Rostra, but the price difference doesn't much matter to me. What matters is which is the better system as far as durability, reliability, and accuracy.

Opinions please?
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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013, 11:09:45 pm »
I have installed 4 Audiovox and 3 Rostra.  The Rostra is by FAR BETTER then the Audiovox for a little more money.

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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 11:12:18 pm »
I have installed 4 Audiovox and 3 Rostra.  The Rostra is by FAR BETTER then the Audiovox for a little more money.

Thanks for the response... Can you provide some detail as to why you think it is better?
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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2013, 01:56:40 am »
I have installed 4 Audiovox and 3 Rostra.  The Rostra is by FAR BETTER then the Audiovox for a little more money.

Thanks for the response... Can you provide some detail as to why you think it is better?
I can give You My reasons why. The Audiovox requires vacuum to work, and the Connie 14 doesn't make much vacuum. I had an Audiovox on My C10 with a vacuum reservoir, and it worked OK, but I doubt the C14 makes enough for the Audiovox to use. My C14 has the Rostra, and it's been flawless for 3 years.

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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2013, 10:17:13 am »
I think Fred made an Audiovox work good, but pretty sure he had to use a vacuum reservoir. Though that isn't unusual, my car's electronic cruise control has one too.

I like the Rostra because once I figured it out, and saw how Fred put it on the right side sitting on top the ram air tube, it became an almost trivial installation. Sure there are a lot of wires, but I made an outline based on BF's how-to and someone else's update for 2010+ and just went step-by-step. Cake, and it has been working ever since, better than the one in my car too.

And for the cost to do it, what's not to like!  :great:
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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2013, 12:04:54 pm »
I had an Audiovox on my 2008 and after the first couple long trips I took with it, I removed it and replaced it with a Rostra.  The problem is that it is vacuum controlled, and in addition to making it more complicated to install, it makes it's operation finicky at best. If you ride in the mountains, it simply won't work at all above about 7K ft, because it doesn't have the vacuum pressure it needs. And on long flat interstates, after about 10 miles or so, it would gradually start to lose speed, a couple MPH at a time. I think the vacuum supply under steady state operation does not keep up with vacuum demand, and so it gradually just looses speed.

The Rostra is a far superior unit in every way, and uses an electric servo instead of vacuum. It holds the speed constant for hundreds of miles without loosing a single MPH, and it works at all altitudes and situations. It's also easier to install. Well worth the extra $$.

The Audiovox now sits on a shelf in my garage, ignored, and collecting dust.
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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2013, 01:00:50 pm »
Well, there it is.  :great:

My Rostra ran all the way from MD to Arkansas (2012 National, NW corner of Arkansas) and back and never varied speed from set by more than 1 mph as far as I could tell.

Up hill, down hill, long flats. Steady as could be.

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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2013, 01:48:02 pm »
Thanks for all the input... Rostra it is...
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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2013, 06:27:24 pm »
I would like to do the Rostra install as well - but would prefer to have an experienced eye looking over my shoulder.  Anyone in Colorado gone this route? 
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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2013, 11:00:49 pm »
Good Choice Big Al - I had a McCruise on my ST1300 and then installed the Rostra on the Concours and the Rostra does as well and the bucks you save $$$$$.

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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2013, 11:46:05 am »
rostra say from murph, the bracket will go on the right or left bar for the controller?? also is the difference in controllers just the engage light, they both have the power light?? seems confusing to me, lol. Last is about moisture, rain, washing. is a rubber cover needed, or is the switch some resistance to moisture??

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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2013, 04:52:38 pm »
rostra say from murph, the bracket will go on the right or left bar for the controller?? also is the difference in controllers just the engage light, they both have the power light?? seems confusing to me, lol. Last is about moisture, rain, washing. is a rubber cover needed, or is the switch some resistance to moisture??

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It may have changed, but the switch controller mount that I purchased from Murph was set up
for the right side like it shows in his web site photo. It has a raised boss on the back side that is in the
wrong spot for a left side mount. I filed off the boss and used that hole to mount it to a piece of aluminum
on the left side.

(In the picture above there is an unlit LED in the center of the switch, it illuminates (green) when the left upper ON button is pressed. There is no
change on this particular switch when the set button is pressed to engage the cruise control.)


Murph's picture of it mounted on the right side appears to me to be a gen1 C14 without the cover to
 protect the cable for the grip heater. It may be easier or more difficult for a right side mount on a Gen 2 depending
on how you do it. I didn't see the left side mount that he sells now, if I were to do it over that is what I would buy.
 I say that based on appearance, however now that I look at it and compare it to mine, I'm not sure that it would be as easy to protect
with a baggie in the lower position. It certainly looks better in the lower spot.
OOPs for C10 not C14  :-[
 To the best of my knowledge the switch is not waterproof as it was designed for an auto interior, but I've not taken mine apart. I ran rtv silicone seal all around the perimeter of the switch and at the back where the wires enter. I have been caught out in the rain and it handled it fine. I would use a baggie and a rubber band for washing and entering known rain conditions.
I now keep a baggie and rubber band in my glove box. Murph sells a cover for it.

I think the only difference in the switches is the extra engage LED and the extra wires for it, the markings appear different
as well, but the same functions. You do not need the engage light switch to have an engage light. I have one located on where
a left side power outlet could be mounted on the C14 dash. It's in Fred's wiring diagram. I actually think that it may be easier to get an external engage light
hook up than to hook up the switch with the engage light. Others will need to verify this but I think that the switch with the engage
light either needs to be hooked up using an extra relay or the switch needs to be opened up and modded  (scroll down to the switch mod section in step 5).
If you do decide to do an external engage LED, they are available from Radio Shack with the resistor already attached for 12 volts. I went with
green for GO;)
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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2013, 06:27:54 pm »
Murphs now sells the mount in both a left- and right-hand configuration.

I have an Audiovox, and since it's vacuum-operated you absolutely must have the vacuum canister. The C14's engine will generate as much vacuum as any other engine of similar displacement...basic physics (which can be affected by the design of the throttle bodies) . That said, without the canister it will lack any kind of vacuum buffer.

The canister works by "storing" vacuum pressure (it has a check valve and an internal diaphragm connected to a spring) - when you decelerate the engine generates more vacuum pressure which pulls the diaphragm and spring which the check valve keeps from returning to the engine. That vacuum pressure energy is stored in the spring. Simple solution used on almost all car cruise control systems for a looong time. Newer systems may use servo's now.

From a simplicity standpoint, the Rostra wins for not having the canister, though the wiring looks a little more complex than the Audiovox.

I would've gone with the Rostra but I came across a great deal on an Audiovox.

One lesson learned - put all the components on the bike first, then connect the harness to each device and route the wires. Then adjust them for length, adding connectors as needed so you end up with a harness that's removeable. For example, I put a multi-pin molex inline for the handlebar unit under the tank (with the rest of the connectors there) so I can remove the control unit without fighting the harness later. I also then wrapped the wires in friction tape (essentially cloth electrical tape). Makes for a nice finish and very abrasion-resistant harness.


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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2013, 09:15:45 pm »
Murphs now sells the mount in both a left- and right-hand configuration.

I have an Audiovox, and since it's vacuum-operated you absolutely must have the vacuum canister. The C14's engine will generate as much vacuum as any other engine of similar displacement...basic physics (which can be affected by the design of the throttle bodies) . That said, without the canister it will lack any kind of vacuum buffer.

The canister works by "storing" vacuum pressure (it has a check valve and an internal diaphragm connected to a spring) - when you decelerate the engine generates more vacuum pressure which pulls the diaphragm and spring which the check valve keeps from returning to the engine. That vacuum pressure energy is stored in the spring. Simple solution used on almost all car cruise control systems for a looong time. Newer systems may use servo's now.

From a simplicity standpoint, the Rostra wins for not having the canister, though the wiring looks a little more complex than the Audiovox.

I would've gone with the Rostra but I came across a great deal on an Audiovox.

One lesson learned - put all the components on the bike first, then connect the harness to each device and route the wires. Then adjust them for length, adding connectors as needed so you end up with a harness that's removeable. For example, I put a multi-pin molex inline for the handlebar unit under the tank (with the rest of the connectors there) so I can remove the control unit without fighting the harness later. I also then wrapped the wires in friction tape (essentially cloth electrical tape). Makes for a nice finish and very abrasion-resistant harness.

Have you had any of the problems with the Audiovox that other members have mentioned in this thread? Problems with low/no vacuum at altitudes? Losing speed on freeways? Or... does the vacuum canister solve all these problems?
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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2013, 03:41:17 am »
I rode it for about 2 days before I got the vacuum canister - it was virtually unusable except cruising down the highway.

No problems since the vac canister (nor would I expect their to be, even at high altitudes). Highest I've been is about 3000 ft, but it pulls the throttle on like nobody's business - almost too hard sometimes. Wish it was more adjustible (perhaps...maybe I can use one of the adjuster valves from the carb balancer guages...hmmm...time to test). Climbing those hills is no problem on cruise - she pulls just fine. It's very responsive - keeps it within 2-3 mph (which is the tolerance anyway - you don't want it overly responsive or it will constantly jerk the bike)

If the cruise isn't working with a canister on, then either the canister is bad or there's a vacuum leak (or it's connected to a port that simply doesn't work for this-though I can't imagine that being the case). Cars have been using this arrangement since cruise first appeared.

That said...I'd still go with the Rostra if the price is within $100 (but that's my preference). Finding a spot for the canister is tricky, and I would imagine using the servo motor is more controllable...and no vacuum lines is just one less thing to deal with. Plus the Rostra is designed for a bike, while the Audiovox is adapted to the bike. (Edit - apparently I misunderstood about the Rostra - it's not marketed for bikes...somehow I'd thought it was.  :-[ )
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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2013, 06:20:01 am »
Plus the Rostra is designed for a bike, while the Audiovox is adapted to the bike.

I think that might be news to Rostra.  :o

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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2013, 09:34:47 am »
Plus the Rostra is designed for a bike, while the Audiovox is adapted to the bike.

I think that might be news to Rostra.  :o

ROFL F.M., You are right on the money, the Rostra is a car unit. They sell kits for specific cars, and a universal kit for cars not provided in specific kits. We take the universal kit and make it work on a motorcycle.

The reason the Rostra works so good on a bike, besides the fact that it works so good on a bike, is the mechanical hook up is pretty easy and simple, and the actuator is small enough to hide on a bike.
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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2013, 12:55:33 pm »
thanks fartymarty and the rest, very informative.  :beerchug:

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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2013, 02:41:32 pm »
Sorry - thought I'd read here that the Rostra was bike-centric!

Guess I was mis-informed!  :-[

Previous post updated to reflect my misunderstanding... :great:
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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2013, 10:15:58 pm »
I know it goes without saying....but....great info from everyone on this topic!

I do have a question for those of you who have done the install and are familiar with the wiring.  At the 2012 National I got to ride with some really great COG members and one of them had installed CC on their bike.  However, rather than using the bar mounted control panel...they installed a single push button switch and it activated the 'set' mode on the CC.  A touch of the brakes or clutch and it disengaged.  Seemed very simple, clean and inconspicuous and I thought that seemed like a great solution for the less than waterproof panel.  The functionality of the panel is neat....but just a set and disengage function seems like it would cover my needs.   

Would it be possible to do that with the Rostra without additional switches/relays? 

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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2013, 06:42:40 am »
I think it is possible to do that. The cruise control would always be ON, but not ENGAGED until you set it using the one
button. You would not have a resume or accel function without a second button. I'm fairly certain that I read that someone
did that sorta thing with a two button setup. If I find that post I'll report back here. It's not something I would do unless
I first had a water problem with a regular switch, but I guess one button would look cleaner. If I find that post I'll report back here.

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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2013, 12:03:41 pm »
It would be easy enough to do, you just have to select which wires do what coming from a standard switch. Then just use the ones you want, and probably ground the unused one.

But I could not live without Resume, and Decelerate, and Accelerate, because in long distance riding having them helps you deal with traffic etc. easier. It is simply a convenience.

Just like I would never convert my car to merely having Engage and Disengage.
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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2013, 01:43:40 pm »
I think I found the post I was referring to earlier.

He used a single center off momentary SPDT toggle switch
that when flipped one way was SET/DECCEL and the other way was RESUME/ACCEL, the switch was spring
loaded to return to the center off position. Trying to find one of those that is waterproof, illuminated, bike mountable
may be a challenge even with the Google internet advantage. If you forgo the illumination it should get easier. Perhaps marine
switches would be a good place to start searching?
If you find one or more please post here for us to consider for ourselves. :)

If you're sure that you really only wanted the SET switch and you don't care about your Flash To Pass button, you may be able to use
that switch as the set button. That would certainly be clean, unless you loan your bike to a friend and forget to tell him, that could get messy.
 I think that may require opening up the switch housing, I guessing for sure here  :confuse:, but I think that switch
is connected to the High/Low beams inside the switch housing as opposed to easily accessible external wiring. I think that switch is also
different between Gen I and Gen II. Let us know what you come up with.

But I could not live without Resume, and Decelerate, and Accelerate, because in long distance riding having them helps you deal with traffic etc. easier. It is simply a convenience.

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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2013, 09:56:59 am »
Well, even the audiovox switches we use, be it the one with the engage light that I prefer, or the one without.... they are nowhere near waterproof.

I didn't like the idea of trying to squeeze silicon sealant around the buttons etc. to try to waterproof it, and when Murph started selling those urethane covers, I snapped a couple up instantly.

Coming home from Arkansas last year, when I got in that torrential rain storm, the switch worked flawlessly under that soft urethane cover. Its like it had its own raincoat.  :great:
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Re: Audiovox vs Rostra Cruise Controls
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2013, 04:22:29 am »
Is there a left side control mount for the C14?  The one pictures earlier from murph's is for a C10.