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Title: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: PeterL on March 10, 2019, 05:04:33 pm
I'm creating this as a new thread at the suggestion of several contributors to the OLD thread. I'm also hoping not to do anything that the moderators wouldn't care for, so please let me know if this crosses any lines.

I love my C14. Was still driving my second C10 when they came out. It took a couple years, but I finally found mine courtesy of Craigslist, and a wife patient enough to drive halfway across California with me. And NOT for the first time either!

Among all the things Kawasaki did right, there are a few miscues that just cry out "Why?!?" I refer in this case to the fact that their design group evidently made a studied decision NOT to provide anything resembling a plumb, level surface that could be easily co-opted for mounting add-on lights. Right?

For the full history, please check out the earlier thread:
http://forum.cog-online.org/accessories-c14/any-interest/ (http://forum.cog-online.org/accessories-c14/any-interest/)

For those with  no patience for tedious backstory:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/113680847477 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/113680847477)

These are 3d printed with a carbon fiber-PLA filament. The exterior surfaces are made thick for strength, and with a 25% infill pattern (technospeak for MORE strength). The hardware is stainless steel. I do not supply the 8mm bolt for actually attaching the lights, because there are just too many variations possible. It's cheaper for us both if I don't include something that you might not need.

My first two units have already been sold. And I'm hoping, nay- pleading, for some honest feedback from their new owners once they've had time to evaluate.

Ride safe folks.

Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Chuck on March 10, 2019, 07:00:06 pm
Hi PeterL,

As soon as they get here, I'll put up a review.

Hmm.. I wonder if production #001 will become a collector's item?  :rotflmao:

Chuck
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Bud on March 10, 2019, 07:13:14 pm
You need a catchy name for those Pete.  Pete's EZ Light Mounts or something.  You'll be famous! :great:
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: PeterL on March 10, 2019, 07:45:26 pm
Yah. Asking me to name something is like standing in lane#2 of the 405, on a Friday afternoon, during an electrical storm, whilst wearing underwear made from recycled Brillo pads. I'm a lifelong unrepentant punster.  My Connie is called "Thunder" because it ROLLS! (Garth Brooks humor)

Great. Now I'll be up until all hours, striving to come up with something capable of making dozens of people groan in perfect synchronicity AND in five-part harmony. Be warned- I've done it before.

This isn't over...
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: freebird6 on March 11, 2019, 01:33:12 pm
Nice

I like the simplicity. THe light snugs up to the inserted nut? Strength is enough to keep the nut from coming through? How is pricing and shipping? Getting ready to add fuzeblock and lights.
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: PeterL on March 11, 2019, 01:58:56 pm
I designed the structure in keeping with my life philosophy:
      "Anything worth doing is worth OVERdoing"

The top and sidewall are thick, and the internal structure is filled with a grid pattern at a 25% fill rate. (This saves material but insures structural integrity) The bottom plate is made even thicker, so that if you have a light that wants a secondary locating screw, you could actually drill into it for the purpose. Also it helps to absorb vibrational stresses inherent with any suspended mass. I went with a coupling nut, rather than just a regular type, because the added surface area makes a r-e-a-l-l-y strong bond with the internal recess, insuring very low load stress on the wall structure. It also gives a very secure purchase for the mounting bolt for the light itself.

Mine have held up great so far, and showed no stress lines or fractures when I pulled the one off the other day. And where my originals were made with an "ABS+" filament, I'm using a "carbon fiber-PLA" matrix for all my production versions, as it has even greater structural strength.

Please see the eBay link for the commercial info. I don't want to push my luck with the moderators here.

-Peter

Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Bud on March 11, 2019, 03:18:13 pm
Yah. Asking me to name something is like standing in lane#2 of the 405, on a Friday afternoon, during an electrical storm, whilst wearing underwear made from recycled Brillo pads. I'm a lifelong unrepentant punster.  My Connie is called "Thunder" because it ROLLS! (Garth Brooks humor)

Great. Now I'll be up until all hours, striving to come up with something capable of making dozens of people groan in perfect synchronicity AND in five-part harmony. Be warned- I've done it before.

This isn't over...
Somebody had to do it! :nananana: :nananana: :))
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Chuck on March 11, 2019, 04:22:44 pm
Well, to go along with the "Thunder" bike name, you could call these "LIGHTning Mounts"

  :))
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: PeterL on March 11, 2019, 10:38:09 pm
Whilst I absolutely refuse to bind myself to public opinion, I'm putting this to a vote. Herewith are the three leading contenders for naming rights (preliminary judging was by my wife. YOU argue with her if you like...)

1.  Peter's Perfect Pod Perches
2.  IBuiltThisBecauseKawasakiWouldn't
3.  Phantastic Photonic Pharkles

Voting is now open.

Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Chuck on March 11, 2019, 10:52:45 pm
Hmm...

#1

Chuck
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Jeffrey on March 13, 2019, 11:22:31 am
Just placed my order.  Now I have to figure out which lights to get.  :)
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: KansasMarine87 on March 13, 2019, 06:51:48 pm
Those look great! I ended up fabricating a mount for mine in the same location. You're right, it doesn't seem like there is a flat spot on our C14's!!!!
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Spackler on March 16, 2019, 01:35:22 am
Nice. Elegant in it’s simplicity.
I want to add some driving lights, but I have the Skene Photon Blasters mounted on either side of the front fender, not leaving me a lot of options for aux light mounting. Your nameless widgets look like they’ll do the trick.
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: PeterL on March 16, 2019, 02:11:09 am
Well... it looks like they will henceforth be known as "Pod Perches". Putting my name on 'em seemed rather egocentric (I am rather, but I do not generally advertise the fact!), and 'perfect' is often sought but rarely achieved. Or is that just me?

The first few units have shipped, and I hope to be caught up with all orders by this coming Monday. Once that landmark is achieved, I'm actually going to try and print a few ahead, so folks in future won't have to wait quite so long for theirs. The response has been more than I was prepared for, and I hope everyone will be pleased when they receive and install.

Thanks to all,

Peter

Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Not So Wild Turkey on March 17, 2019, 04:33:24 pm
Just put my order in.  Looks like a cool place to mount a camera as well.
Really looking forward to something else to bolt on my bike.

(Tongue In Cheek}
Or should I mount a loud speaker so Ted can hear my comments about him without his hearing aid?  Never mind he doesn't listen anyway. 
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Chuck on March 18, 2019, 12:17:09 am
Just received mine yesterday.

While I have not mounted them yet, due to cold temps and an unheated garage, I am very happy with the build quality.

The mounts are exactly as described by PeterL.

Having no experience with 3D printed parts, I wasn't sure what to expect as far as the material goes. These feel solid and have a little bit of weight to them. Definitely not generic plastic pucks.

The only problem with them is one of my own making. The mounts for the lights I picked use an M6 bolt as the main fastener, while the Pod Perches are set up for an M8 bolt. All is good, as this gave me an excuse to go to the local "old school" hardware store and do some shopping. ;) Nothing a new drill, bit set, vice and M8 bolt couldn't cure. I'll just drill out the mounts that came with the lights and wait for temps above 25 F to install.

Chuck
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: PeterL on March 18, 2019, 12:41:38 am
I'd be interested to know if this is a common issue. I designed these for 8mm because that was what every light I've installed (at least those I can REMEMBER installing) were all M8. I can supply an M6 version as well if enough folks require/request that. It would be a fairly easy modification to my design.

Chuck- I'm glad first impressions are positive, hopefully the long term will be likewise. Looking forward to hearing of your experiences. Also, while I put it in the install notes, I want to stress for everyone's benefit: do NOT use a mounting bolt longer than 25mm. You don't even really need that, as the coupling nut gives you w-a-y more thread area than a 'regular' nut. Anything longer than 25mm would run into the pot metal mirror base piece. It wouldn't end well (for the mirror).

Peter
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Chuck on March 18, 2019, 01:00:26 am
I'd be interested to know if this is a common issue. I designed these for 8mm because that was what every light I've installed (at least those I can REMEMBER installing) were all M8. I can supply an M6 version as well if enough folks require/request that. It would be a fairly easy modification to my design.

Chuck- I'm glad first impressions are positive, hopefully the long term will be likewise. Looking forward to hearing of your experiences. Also, while I put it in the install notes, I want to stress for everyone's benefit: do NOT use a mounting bolt longer than 25mm. You don't even really need that, as the coupling nut gives you w-a-y more thread area than a 'regular' nut. Anything longer than 25mm would run into the pot metal mirror base piece. It wouldn't end well (for the mirror).

Peter

Just as a side note, I didn't go with any of the big name light manufacturers (Denali, Advmonster...), as I am not made of money.  ;D

Instead I opted for 7watt, 2", 25 degree spot LEDs from SuperBrightLeds:
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/led-light-pods/led-light-pod-2-round-led-off-road-work-light-7w-700-lumens/1386/12992/ (https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/led-light-pods/led-light-pod-2-round-led-off-road-work-light-7w-700-lumens/1386/12992/)

Little did I realize that they mention the mount bolt size right on the specifications... reading comprehension fail on my part. But, easily fixable.

Chuck

Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: ghostrider990 on March 18, 2019, 12:22:36 pm
Those look exactly like my Mondo Motos, and substantially less $$$.

Probably one of the reasons why Mondo went under.

Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: PeterL on March 20, 2019, 01:59:05 pm
MARCH 20, 2019 update
===============

One of my initial purchasers just reported the protruding nubs on the top face do NOT work with his C14. I haven't heard from any others as yet, but I shut down the eBay link until I insure everyone who bought a set is happy.

My test beds were only two bikes, my own 2008, and a 2013 belonging to a riding buddy. Needless to say, both bikes accepted the prototypes with no fit issues or I'd have never offered these to others. Any early-adopter who DOES experience an issue will get a proper replacement or a refund as they wish.

More to come as this is resolved I'm sure.

Peter
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Chuck on March 20, 2019, 04:40:35 pm
I just did a little test fit by holding it up against the mirror and the alignment nubs fit just fine on my 2016.

Chuck
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: PeterL on March 21, 2019, 12:24:58 am
As I've not heard any other reports of fitting issues, I reposted the eBay listing:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/113693266020 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/113693266020)

I do want to make sure everyone is satisfied, so PLEASE contact me directly with any questions or issues.

Ride safe,

Peter :great:
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Jeffrey on March 21, 2019, 11:21:45 am
Peter,
My order should be here today.  I will mount them tonight and let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Big Brian on March 21, 2019, 11:38:08 pm
MARCH 20, 2019 update
===============

One of my initial purchasers just reported the protruding nubs on the top face do NOT work with his C14. I haven't heard from any others as yet, but I shut down the eBay link until I insure everyone who bought a set is happy.

My test beds were only two bikes, my own 2008, and a 2013 belonging to a riding buddy. Needless to say, both bikes accepted the prototypes with no fit issues or I'd have never offered these to others. Any early-adopter who DOES experience an issue will get a proper replacement or a refund as they wish.

More to come as this is resolved I'm sure.

Peter

You informed me that I got set #2 I will check fitment this weekend and let you know.
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Spackler on March 22, 2019, 12:49:57 am
I’d love to see everyone’s installs once you get them done.
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Jeffrey on March 22, 2019, 10:51:26 am
I test fitted them last night.  They fit my 2015 just fine and I am completely happy with my purchase.  I have privately offered my petty nitpicks to Peter, but they are cosmetic in nature.  Since I have not purchased auxiliary lights yet, no pictures of my install.  And since I am taking a trip to Texas in the next few weeks, and I never violate the 'add stuff to or modify your bike and take off on a 2000 mile trip the next day'.  Let's face it...selling products can be difficult on this forum because we are a tough crowd.  So if I was you, I'd buy a set NOW while you can get them!
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Chuck on March 23, 2019, 08:50:56 pm
Managed to test fit mine tonight.

The perches are mounted, but it is still too cold to be removing plastics to wire up the lights.

On my 2016 model, I had to use longer bolts on the outboard screws: 2.25" (~57mm). Other than that, they bolted right up.

As soon as it is warm enough to fiddle with plastics, I'll get my lights and relay all wired up.

Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: PeterL on March 25, 2019, 10:48:59 pm
UPDATE- March 25
============

I've just suspended the eBay link once again. One of my customers found the fit on his 2012 C14 to be significantly off level when attached to the mirror base. Obviously, this is not what was promised nor what I wish to deliver. I'm running off a modified set of mounts for him, but am having to just eyeball the needed correction. It will be next week before he can receive and install, so there will be no further sales until he (and I) are satisfied.

Anyone who encounters anything similar can get either a new, revised set (once vetted), or an immediate refund.

Thank you all,

Peter
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Jeffrey on March 26, 2019, 12:07:50 pm
Peter,
Are you saying that these should be level in two planes - meaning "side to side" as well as "front to back"?
Thanks,
Jeffrey
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: PeterL on March 26, 2019, 11:19:18 pm
Side to side should be essentially level. I left the front-rear axis alone, as the mirror base had a slight downward slope here which seemed to work well for aiming lights. It would not be a huge trick to eliminate that as well. My testbeds were only 2 bikes, so I rather figured that I'd be making revisions. It's the inexplicable  works-on-one-doesn't-work on-another reports that have me perplexed. But I am firmly devoted to making sure everyone gets a product they are happy with. I'm still hoping for more feedback from purchasers, either here or by PM, before I open this up on eBay again. I need to know what is right or wrong with the design as seen through other's eyes.

The photos here I took today, doing a test mount of my new V2 prototype. Shot #1 shows the angle measured atop the gas cap, with my bike on the centerstand. Less than 3 degrees off level. Shot#2 shows the side-to-side angle of the Kawi mirror base- 25 degrees was the angle I used for my design. Shot#3 is of the prototype with screws (2x45mm & 1x40mm) which gives between 17 to 19 mm of exposed thread, which was more than sufficient to secure with room to spare, at least on my 2008. And last- shot#4 shows the puck in place, showing a side-to-side angle basically identical to the gas cap reference point.

This geometry is the same as on the V1. Changes made were to reduce the side-to-side length by about 5mm to reduce the amount the original extended past the mirror base. I'm working on modeling the curvature that Kawi  put there for some reason, I'm just not there yet.  I also increased the depth of the recess for the mounting bolts by a few mm, in response to a request to allow use of allen cap bolts. And I shrunk the diameter of the locating nubs by .5mm, as I had one purchaser that found the original would not work on his 2014. Only one such report, but it doesn't affect the function of the nubs, which is to simply insure a  repeatable and rotation-proof locating key, and I want these to work for ANY C14.
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: MtnRider on March 27, 2019, 12:58:37 am
Great customer service, Peter!     :PDT_Armataz_01_37: :sign0098:
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: PeterL on April 05, 2019, 10:19:58 pm
And.. we're seemingly open for business once again.

I've now sent out V2 Pod Perches to 3 purchasers. All 3 had issues, DIFFERENT issues (!) mind you, with the V1.  In all cases the replacements went on cleanly and everyone seems satisfied. (I hope I didn't just jinx myself)

I've reposted on eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/123747985664 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/123747985664)
with marginally better photographs.

I did up the price by $5, sorry. It's either that or somehow convince "She Who Manages The Budget" that our last electrical bill was a deliberate fiscal attack by Eco-extremists. After 35 years with me, she doesn't convince all that easily anymore...

Thanks for all the kind words and support from everyone,

Peter
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: MtnRider on April 06, 2019, 12:59:21 am
Not a customer, but GREAT service and attention to your customers! Well done!     :PDT_Armataz_01_37:   :sign0098:
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: freebird6 on April 20, 2019, 06:09:36 pm
NOW...I am curious after reading....kudos to you for the perfection...but curiosity has me wondering if the mirrors on the 2008 you have picture will have the same geometry as my current 13.

EDIT. NVM I am going to order a pair of these and wire everything up now that the weather is better. Pics are really good ....THANKS
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: greenbiker on April 20, 2019, 08:47:05 pm
Hi

I ordered a set Tuesday night.
I’ll post up some pics after the install.
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Chuck on April 25, 2019, 07:50:53 pm
Great service and support from Peter on these.

I have a pair of the v1.0 perches that didn't fit too well on my 2016. Mainly the angle was off and there was a gap between the perch and the mirror surface.

Peter sent me the updated version 2.0 perches and they are much improved. There is no appreciable gap between it and the mirror and the angle is level. They will be staying on the bike.  :13:

Attached are pics of a pair of 2" round LED light pods from superbrightleds.com mounted, but not really aimed yet.

Chuck
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: PeterL on April 29, 2019, 04:16:28 pm
UPDATE- April 29 2019

I've now sent out a dozen sets of the V2 Pod Perches. Everything I've heard back has been positive, which I appreciate, but I really do want to hear of any issues or suggestions for improvements.  Also- Chuck has graciously allowed me to cross-post one of his photos to my listing on eBay. I wanted to let folks see how they work on newer, shiner C14's. Also he's demonstrably a much better photographer than myself, and having only 3 pictures on the page was just sad.  Thanks Chuck!

UPDATE Redux:

The first **6MM** version of the Pod Perch just rolled off the line. Printer. Whatever. I'll  make up a formal listing for these once I figure out why eBay won't let me make a 'pick list' option unless I give them $$$ monthly for the privilege. For now I'm just putting in a 'By Request' note on the existing listing.
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: greenbiker on May 30, 2019, 04:44:40 am
Finally got my auxiliary lights mounted.
I had a small problem with the heads of the supplied screws being a little to big for the holes.
Easily remedied with a bench grinder. See attached pictures.
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: ghostrider990 on June 11, 2019, 05:32:15 pm
After four years of wanting a set of these (pCA's) I just ordered a set from Peter!  :great:
Immediate response and shipping, thanks Peter!

Trying to decide which lights to get, but leaning towards Denali D4's with Amber Kit.

I'll post up when I'm done with the install....but it may take a week or two.

GREENBIKER:
Which lites are those??
Can you dump a link on the thread please??

Thanks,
gr
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: greenbiker on June 13, 2019, 04:15:14 pm
Bought these lights from Amazon.ca
I am very happy with the light pattern, strength and especially the value.
These might be replaced with something costing more in a couple of years but I am satisfied with the performance.

Here is the link

Flush Mount Led Pod Lights 48W Pencil Beam Offroad Driving Fog LED Light Bar Truck Lights Daytime Running Light for SUV UTV Jeep Tacoma Bumper Boat LED Work Light 2PCS https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07HKV8YMQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_w2NaDbDDKGNJ7 (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07HKV8YMQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_w2NaDbDDKGNJ7)



Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: Gixerhp on June 20, 2019, 12:32:33 pm
Very nice
Well since the competition has closed shop, you have a special product here.
You may want to ask about becoming an industry support here on the site, if your going to keep making these.

Great Item!
Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: ghostrider990 on July 29, 2019, 10:35:24 am
Thought I'd finally post some pics of my install with Peter's Pucks, and my new Denali DR1 lights.

I too have offered my nit-picks to Peter, and he has been most gracious and accomodating!
Very nice product, and so thoughtfully crafted. Can't say enough about his demeanor and responsiveness.
This is a great option for safely and firmly mounting a set of aux. light to the front of your C14.

Not the best pics, but here's how it turned out:

Title: Re: Auxiliary Light mounts
Post by: konehead on November 15, 2019, 08:16:04 pm
I recently picked up a set of Peter's pod perches off of the ebay site.  Nice product, but a ran into a snag when one of the 6 screws wouldnt thread I to any of the 6 holes on the mirror mount.  I contacted peter and he offered to send me a replacement set.  Not 1 screw but all 6.  I told him to hold off and I'd see if i could find one at Lowes.  Lol.  He didnt hesitate and  sent me out the set of 6 screws. 

Talk about customer service!!!   Well done Peter, well done....!!!