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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2011, 12:47:00 am »
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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2011, 02:30:00 am »
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Something definately isn't right JMS, that left side can should not be so far out from tire.  :017:
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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2011, 02:38:34 am »
After connecting mid pipes to the header and mid mounting bolts line up there is no more rotating. The mid pipe on the right side wouldn't line up with the mounting hole at all.  2nd time I tried to line these up I attached the center tubes of the headers before mounting loosely to the head.  This was the only way I could even get both mid pipes to mount in their holes.  They should be back to Star Cycle to inspect tomorrow and then back to Muzzy to see what they think.  I'm hoping they just bent 1 mid pipe wrong.

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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2011, 05:05:47 am »
Checked to see what's up with exhaust today.  All pieces fit jig except 1 mid section, Muzzy making new mid pipe and shipping in the next couple of days.  This info came from star cycle. Chris and Jason from star cycle have been great to work with.  It does get frustrating to ship things back and wait for return but s*** happens and in the end if exhaust fits properly I will be happy customer.

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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2012, 03:27:21 am »
Sorry to ressurect an old thread, but I thought it good to keep the info in one spot.

The differences in the ZX-14 headers are 2007 and older do not have catalytic converters in the header (they were in the mufflers), while 2008 and newer do have the cats in the header.  The 2008 and newer have a larger outlet ID than the 2007 and earlier, but you just need the correct ring/doughnut/gasket, and you can mix and match any year with any year.

So if I understand you right (and from a post you have done on the ZG forum), the header size of the bike is the same diametre regardless of 2006-07 through 08+

It is the mid pipe diameter that is LARGER on the 08+

So theoretically if I wanted, say, 08+ dual V&H CS Ones on my 06 ZX14 exhausts, I need to get the mid pipe gasket for an 08+  Yes..?

I've scratched together something from a microfiche to see if I am on the right track.  If I'm wrong I'll delete the picture as I don't want to confuse others.

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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2012, 06:58:19 pm »
Darn you ZG just made me spend more money on Farkles!!  lol   I just ordered my Muzzy from Jason at Starcycles as well, He is very responsive and his price could not be beat by anyone!!!   Looks like about 2 to 3 weeks before I get the install fun...  One question though - Does anyone run a Autotune with this setup?  I have PCV and Muzzy is saying I need qty 2 O2 bung's...  I thought I only needed one...

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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2012, 07:08:59 pm »
Darn you ZG just made me spend more money on Farkles!!  lol   I just ordered my Muzzy from Jason at Starcycles as well, He is very responsive and his price could not be beat by anyone!!!   Looks like about 2 to 3 weeks before I get the install fun...  One question though - Does anyone run a Autotune with this setup?  I have PCV and Muzzy is saying I need qty 2 O2 bung's...  I thought I only needed one...

-Kirk

You're welcome Kirk! I love spending other peoples $ on farkles...  :)

Enjoy your new exhaust!  :great:

I don't have an Autotune on mine, just PCV.
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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2012, 11:59:07 pm »
Ahhhhhhh confused now.  Just scoured a couple of different parts fiches and found the midpipe gasket part number is the same for ZX14 2006/2010 & 14Concours 2012.  So am I misunderstanding about pipe diameter?

Header Gaskets
ZX14 2006 - #11061 x4
ZX14 2010 - #11061 x4
1400GTR 2012 - #11061 x4
1400GTR 2008 - #11061 x4

Mid-pipe gaskets
ZX14 2006 – #11060 x2
ZX14 2010 – #11060 x2
1400GTR 2012 - #11060 x1
1400GTR 2008 - #11060 x1

Muffler even the same
ZX14 2006 – #18091
ZX14 2010 - #18091

The main VISUAL difference I could see between the ZX14 2006 v's ZX14 2010 is the header pipes in the 2010 has crossover/balance pipes between the two outer and two inner headers.

What am I missing here?
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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #58 on: May 31, 2013, 08:10:11 pm »
Darn you ZG just made me spend more money on Farkles!!  lol   I just ordered my Muzzy from Jason at Starcycles as well, He is very responsive and his price could not be beat by anyone!!!   Looks like about 2 to 3 weeks before I get the install fun...  One question though - Does anyone run a Autotune with this setup?  I have PCV and Muzzy is saying I need qty 2 O2 bung's...  I thought I only needed one...

-Kirk

You're welcome Kirk! I love spending other peoples $ on farkles...  :)

Enjoy your new exhaust!  :great:

I don't have an Autotune on mine, just PCV.


What would you recommend PCV or reflash....my initial impression is PCV is more easily adjustable, if I need to do any other mods to the bike....but I have heard good reviews on the reflash....   cost comparison?  Ideas?

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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #59 on: May 31, 2013, 11:43:35 pm »
I chose the Guhl reflash, which takes care of the flies, and remaps the fuel at the same time.  It's also a super easy removal in installation of the ECU.  The cost was $375.00 plus shipping, and the turn-around is very quick.  I'm running a ZX14 header, and dual TBR's in a 2012.  I have been very happy with this set-up.     

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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #60 on: June 02, 2013, 05:59:19 pm »
I chose the Guhl reflash, which takes care of the flies, and remaps the fuel at the same time.  It's also a super easy removal in installation of the ECU.  The cost was $375.00 plus shipping, and the turn-around is very quick.  I'm running a ZX14 header, and dual TBR's in a 2012.  I have been very happy with this set-up.   

What are the flies?  Sorry, kinda a newbie here

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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #61 on: June 02, 2013, 09:16:01 pm »
I chose the Guhl reflash, which takes care of the flies, and remaps the fuel at the same time.  It's also a super easy removal in installation of the ECU.  The cost was $375.00 plus shipping, and the turn-around is very quick.  I'm running a ZX14 header, and dual TBR's in a 2012.  I have been very happy with this set-up.   


What are the flies?  Sorry, kinda a newbie here


It refers to the secondary butterflies, which restricts airflow to the engine at lower RPM's.  On the Gen 1 C14's (2008 & 2009), it was common to remove the flies, and add a Power Commander to remap the fuel (required).  For the Gen 2 bikes, Guhl, and Dynotronics, developed reprogramming options for the ECU.  It's more cost effective, and simpler solution, to achieve the same result.  It also allows the Gen 2 bikes to keep the secondary flies in place, which are used, in part, in the traction control system.  I'm not sure, but I read somewhere that Guhl can also reflash the Gen 1's now, but I can't confirm that statement.

There's lots of good reading on the topic on this forum, Fred Harmon being the real COG authority on the subject.  You might check out the one below: 

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,19573.msg72325.html     

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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #62 on: June 03, 2013, 11:25:49 am »
Guhl had the MkI reflash before the MkII available.

The big thing he is working on now is selectable mapping for the MkI like the stock ECO on the MkII.
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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #63 on: June 03, 2013, 03:52:35 pm »
In looking at the pictures of the dual kits it seems the left side hanger is different than my stock 2012.
Where would one get that hanger or how to modify the stock one for the left pipe?
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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #64 on: June 03, 2013, 05:15:44 pm »
You can order one from Muzzys.  Fair warning, it's not cheap.  I think you need to order it on the phone, if I recall.  I don't think they list it online. 

 http://www.muzzys.com/index.html

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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #65 on: June 03, 2013, 06:25:40 pm »
You can order one from Muzzys.  Fair warning, it's not cheap.  I think you need to order it on the phone, if I recall.  I don't think they list it online. 

 http://www.muzzys.com/index.html


How not cheap is not cheap?  ballpark?  $50.00 $150.00
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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #66 on: June 03, 2013, 06:31:58 pm »
I think I paid $90.00, plus shipping.  Well, that's in the ballpark, at least.  :)

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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #67 on: August 17, 2016, 09:28:55 am »
Hey Marc,
I just got the Muzzys dual carbon fiber full exhaust the other month and love it!  :great:

Yes, you'll need to either remap the ECU or get a PCV. You'll also need to get a modified center stand, also available from Muzzys.


ZG, any chance you still have this bike with the Muzzys on it?  I would love some more detailed shots of what the center stand looks like.  I just put duals on my bike ('06 ZX14 header with Area P ZX14 CF Slipons) and I am trying to find someone to modify the centerstand now that Muzzy has gone out of business.

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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #68 on: August 21, 2016, 05:26:00 pm »
Hey Marc,
I just got the Muzzys dual carbon fiber full exhaust the other month and love it!  :great:

Yes, you'll need to either remap the ECU or get a PCV. You'll also need to get a modified center stand, also available from Muzzys.


ZG, any chance you still have this bike with the Muzzys on it?  I would love some more detailed shots of what the center stand looks like.  I just put duals on my bike ('06 ZX14 header with Area P ZX14 CF Slipons) and I am trying to find someone to modify the centerstand now that Muzzy has gone out of business.
I have the same Muzzy set up if you still need a pic....

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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #69 on: August 21, 2016, 08:40:25 pm »
Hey Marc,
I just got the Muzzys dual carbon fiber full exhaust the other month and love it!  :great:

Yes, you'll need to either remap the ECU or get a PCV. You'll also need to get a modified center stand, also available from Muzzys.


ZG, any chance you still have this bike with the Muzzys on it?  I would love some more detailed shots of what the center stand looks like.  I just put duals on my bike ('06 ZX14 header with Area P ZX14 CF Slipons) and I am trying to find someone to modify the centerstand now that Muzzy has gone out of business.
I have the same Muzzy set up if you still need a pic....

If you have the Muzzy centerstand with it, that would be great!  Just looking for some more detailed pics of the centerstand, and it's extension.

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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #70 on: August 21, 2016, 11:13:04 pm »
It is the Muzzy centerstand and I'll take some pictures tomorrow evening  :great:

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Re: C-14 Dual Exhaust
« Reply #71 on: August 22, 2016, 12:40:52 am »
It is the Muzzy centerstand and I'll take some pictures tomorrow evening  :great:

thank you in advance!