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C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« on: December 31, 2016, 10:59:01 pm »
I noticed my C10 has a much louder dual horn set up than my C14. I got a salvaged set of C10 horns for $12.00 from eBay. Any suggestions on how/where to mount these? Should I wire in a relay?
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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2017, 03:21:59 am »
I'd say yes.
Looking at the C14 wiring diagram, it shows the horn being 2.5A, which is not much. Anything we add should use a relay to spare the switch from early failure.
I'm not sure what I'll do to address the excessively polite C14 horn... But it will be loud.

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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2017, 03:27:59 am »
I'd say yes.
Looking at the C14 wiring diagram, it shows the horn being 2.5A, which is not much. Anything we add should use a relay to spare the switch from early failure.
I'm not sure what I'll do to address the excessively polite C14 horn... But it will be loud.

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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2017, 04:53:51 pm »
I installed Fiamm Freeway Blasters on my c-10 and left the stock horns in place and hooked up. The Fiamms 100% drowned out the stockers. Something to thik about iff'n yer going to the trouble of replacing the polite horn.

One of the first things to be installed on my Versys was a set of Freeway Blasters.

And yes, use a relay triggered from the factory wiring.
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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2017, 09:00:49 pm »
I tend to hate the cheesy horns that come on bikes. On my Mean Streak, I relocated it from the front to the side of the motor using a Kuryakyn horn cover. Then I went to Napa and bought a louder than stock horn to fit a pick up truck. A little trimming of the horn to fit right under the cover and presto. a horn blasting for not a lot of money. And I just plugged them into the OEM 12 volt horn wires without any troubles. Although I haven't looked into replicating such a horn swap on the sport tours. But I have a feeling something similar (without a needed cover) may be possible. Maybe not in the same spot though.

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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2017, 12:32:10 pm »
Cap,
Sounds like you found a horn that was louder, but had about the same current draw as the OE horn.
I did a quick look at the Wolo website, and they show current for replacement horns all the way form 2.5A (same as OE on the C14) to 17A for one of the compact air horns. The their "Maxi sound" (which I'm considering) is rated for 7A. If I wire these in place of the OE, they will work for a while, but the switch is designed for 2.5A, and I would not expect a long life from it at 7A. This is where I will put a relay, and use the OE switch as the control for the relay. This will probably extend the life of the switch; not that they are a problem :-)

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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2017, 05:58:16 pm »
The fiam blaster does fit tightly but does fit.   Single horn replacing stock not a problem on stock mount. A little more assertive but not air horn loud. Cheap, easy, better.  I think using just one your just supposed to use the low tone but don't remember.  Going to wind up with a second, but of course, a relay needed for that and a fabricated mount. 

Used this on my Vulcan, 919, and c14 as a direct replacement with no issues.   The c10 was decent for stock. 

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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2017, 07:02:29 pm »
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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2017, 04:57:59 am »
Thanks for the input everyone. I will use a relay on the retrofit when I get down to but STILL not sure where I'm going to MOUNT the twin C10 Horns.

I really like the tone and volume of the older C-10 horns compared to the sickly C14. I had actually already upgraded to a Fiamm low tone and it only works part of the time. I hope I haven't burned out the 2.5 amp rated OEM switch

The C10 twin horns sound like a classic motorcycle horn set which I think is beneficial and perhaps shrill enough to pierce rolled up windows in the cages I encounter. It's not always volume needed as much as TONE to break the sound through to be heard IMHO.

Honestly, what was Kawasaki design engineering doing the day they decided to put a 2.5 amp single tone horn on a 1.4 liter Sport Touring Motorcycle? Mind boggling doesn't begin to describe
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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2017, 03:05:28 pm »
I recently finished restoring an '89 bmw 325 and had a similar model donor car. it had two FIAMM horns, one high one low tone. with just adding the proper blade connectors to their wiring makes them a plug and play 5 minute swap, and they are LOUD! I used one and gave one to my C14 riding pal. Quick visit to a junkyard for a cheap alternative horn.

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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2017, 01:43:33 am »
I plan on installing some louder horns on the C14, but for now, I installed the C10 horns.
I did use a relay that is triggered by the original horns wiring; I did not want to wear out the C14's switch prematurely by using it to drive two horns.
I took the horn bracket from the C10 and drilled a hole in the center. The hole is the same size as the horn on the C14 where the OE horn was mounted.
I took some photos. Two show the washers I added to allow a more solid mounting. The other one shows them on the bike.

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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2017, 11:18:12 am »
Jorge, Thanks for the pictures! I am going to copy that. That's exactly what I want. I'm only one relay and a couple washer installs from my goal: It's out front, it's two horn tones and it's on a relay to protect the 2.5 amp switch. It's also DIRT CHEAP. I got my C10 horn set for $9 on ebay w free shipping. After upgrading everything from windscreen to top case I just didn't want to spend another $100 to fix Kawasaki's goof on the C14 horn.

Regarding using a car horn for a motorcycle: I have mixed feelings. If you are honking at a car and the driver hears a "car horn" I wonder if there might be a disconnect for the whole concept of honking in heavy traffic. Conversely if there are a group of cars and one motorcycle and a "motorcycle horn" goes off I'm pretty sure everyone driving in the group if cars will be alerted to the motorcycle.
Does this make sense to anyone?

On a side note: I was getting a state inspection at the local Yamaha dealer (Kawasaki dealer does not do state inspections?) and the Fiamm low tone horn would not work. The shop foreman said what's wrong with your horn? I can hear it trying to work but it won't honk. I told him you have to crank it up and rev it up for MORE AMPS. It worked and he frowned at me and said, YOU NEED TO GET THAT FIXED. But he passed the inspection.

Sometimes I think I need to do a final swap and change out the key for GOLDWING - haha
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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2017, 03:00:37 am »
I did it. I wish these tasks were as simple as they seem when I read about them on the COG. The way it reads in so many write ups I would swear it's a 60 second job you can do while you are waiting on the kids to get into the car for school.

My add on horn with relay install only took slightly longer than a typical medical operation for separation of conjoined twins. Either the interruptions got me or my lack inability to concentrate but these electrical relays are stressful the longer I try to get them worked out in my mind. To further strain my pea-brain I wired in a total of 3 horns. I had so many different versions of relays drawn out on paper on the kitchen table that my wife thought I was laying out a new electrical schematic for our dream home. I actually let my family think that I was working out a complicated problem as I was discovering the reason the relay wasn't working was because I BLEW THE FUSE TO THE POWER SUPPLY when I first started testing it. I'm sure that happens a lot in Neurosurgery. But after a few hours of deliberating the physics and design flaws of every brand of relay in the world I found out it was the dreaded OPERATOR ERROR.

The final horn sound is a rather loud, angry sounding motorcycle. That's about all I can say about the tones.

I mounted the twin OEM C10 horns.  Believe it or not I picked a unique spot on the left side front wheel reflector bracket... and I kept the Fiamm Freeway Blaster low tone horn in the OEM stock location. Yep. I know it might seem like an ugly location on the front wheel but with the full 12 volts coming from the relay now I've got some serious decibels right out there where people can hear me. The horns are black so they blend in and there was a hole already in the right spot on both brackets from the factory. They are virtually flush with the fender/caliper area visually. The trick is to get everything tilted correctly and out of the way of the fork tube,  the radiator and the brake line. The angle of the bracket and the reflector mounting bolt goes right through the horn bracket and the reflector is still in place. It's almost like magic. Ugly magic but it works. Then I carefully made a custom wire loom that blends into the factory set up.

I can't wait to show the Yamaha dealer who almost failed my inspection because of the weak horn set up I just replaced. He's gonna be so impressed and shocked simultaneously. DLAMA is now ready for Circle the Great Lakes Tour...
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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2017, 02:22:15 am »
Here is a picture of my strange location mounting of the C10 horns. I want to be heard. I want it dependable and fairly easy. This location met my expectations.

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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2017, 01:08:38 am »
 :-\
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She should put out enough decibels now :great:

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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2017, 10:08:19 am »
😂😂😂 I am weird so it fits. I honk them every ride now just to remind me how loud (and weird) they sound. It's a new sensation to see people look when I tap the horn.
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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2017, 07:06:28 pm »
I installed an Aerostitch air Blaster horn under the right fairing cover,it's so loud any driver not expecting me to be where I am will crap themselves when they hear it. I'm a happy camper
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Re: C10 horns retro fit onto C14?
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2017, 02:22:14 am »
I like it Bernie. Anything that keeps us alive while riding longer and safer is ALL GOOD. Honk those things... honestly, I never even worried about that button before. It wasn't loud enough to even worry about finding the button. Now it's in the mix with all of my operating controls. But I don't consider it in panic mode. I use that tool well before the panic situation ever sets up...
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