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Calling all Topcase.rs
« on: December 25, 2013, 03:05:34 am »
I have been an anti-topcaser because it altered my RT handling.

Recently, I have been getting wet books and the water nearly got to my laptop inside a Marine backpack I currently use in the role of a topcase.

...so I am reconsidering...getting a topcase...I am hoping the weight of the Connie acts different than the RT against the air/weight forces resulting from a topcase install.

I like the option to install more rear lights. I had Admore light on my ex-55 Givi.

Purpose: commuter with lots of stuff...lots

Can you please post pics of your topcase and give me some insight to its effect on the handling of the Connie? Opinions of any kind are welcomed...thank you so much
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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2013, 03:23:16 am »
A top case has weight limitations due to case/mount as well as effect on handling. That said, used within standard parameters I have found it very useful option.
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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2013, 04:32:37 am »
I don't rally notice an empty top case that much.  It's when I fill it, that it makes a difference.  I only keep mine on when I really need it, but if your like me, the more room you have the more you'll use.  I do try to keep heavier stuff in the side bags though, whenever I can.

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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2013, 08:05:58 am »
As stated above, mine is unnoticeable when empty. Close to capacity, overloaded or with a load that can shift, I notice the weight at low speeds.





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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2013, 01:37:40 pm »
I don't notice my top case hardly at all. Empty or with just a rain suit in it, not at all.

Many events I've gone to the top case was full. Rain gear, air pump, tire plugs, first aid, cap, stuff I want to get too first. No handling problems. But of course, I'm not trying to ride it like a sportbike, which it isn't to begin with.
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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2013, 02:21:09 pm »
I have the GIVI 55 grayed out.   I never notice the weight and can't imagine not having the space.   I use Phil's luggage rack to attach.  What is really nice, when you want to ride with out the top case, it still looks stock.  This is a great combo.

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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2013, 04:00:08 pm »
I have a Givi Maxia (55 or 52 litre) and I keep it on always and it is always at least half full of  stuff, some heavy like tools. Never an issue for handling, I think the she handles great, sol or two up. Could be the Connie would handle better without it but I wouldn't know.

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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2013, 04:36:57 pm »
So far, it seems like the Givi 52 would be the choice. It seems to be the least height with the space needed.
One thing I did appreciate when I had an E55 on the RT was the extra Admore lighting...
Phils rack seems a must also
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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2013, 04:49:40 pm »
So far, it seems like the Givi 52 would be the choice. It seems to be the least height with the space needed.
One thing I did appreciate when I had an E55 on the RT was the extra Admore lighting...
Phils rack seems a must also
I agree something sturdier than the oem plastic is a must. Phils rack is a great option. I made a simpler mount out of 5/16" aluminum plate to replace the oem rack to which I bolt an aluminum GIVI plate. This was a cheaper for me since I already had the Givi plate.

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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2013, 05:07:36 pm »
E 55 , Light up-grade from Dave and the guy's at Admore and a reflective kit from Alex at Realtimeindustries.com.  The differece was so small with the 52 I went with the 55 and I can do 2 helmets and still have room for little things. . If you do the admore kit , they have a Plug and Play that wires in back in the tail section and no Cutting of splicing to wire the lights. Very nice set-up. If I can find Pics,  I will send along. Bike away for the winter in my trailer!! 

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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2013, 07:21:18 pm »
I have an older Givi E52 and (being an older version of the large boxes) I suspect that it's heavier than most.  I rode without bags one time and felt a difference.  So I looked for a deal on one of the smaller Givi 33's.  I found a Monolock on sale for $129 and grabbed it.  This is perfect for me as it weighs under 10 Lbs (less than 1/2 of the newer large boxes), and holds a t-shirt change and a large helmet (I've got a big ol' head).  There's room for smaller stuff, but really it's the sized for use with one helmet.  I thought I wouldn't like the Monolock, but because it came with the rack adapter it worked out perfect.  Mounting it on top of the OE rack and a bit towards the front allows the brake light to show up every easy.  With added black reflector tape, I hope it also adds visibility at night.

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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2013, 07:31:54 pm »
im a big fan of CooCase

you can get
-lights
-power outlet
- motion alarm
-and  power lock/Unlock

for 1/2 the price of a Givi.

and the lines complement the straight lines of the bike in my opnion

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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2013, 08:22:52 pm »
I have a Shad 48. It fits two full face helmets with a little extra room for small stuff or a light jacket. I use it to commute to work. It carries my brief case - computer bag combo which typically weighs about 25lbs (laptop, accessories, papers,etc). I have to say I can't even tell it's back there, either full or empty. I initially chose it due to the pillion back rest, but it has a very aero design and I can't notice any difference with it on or off. One of the best features of it is the locking system. No key needed to open and close. I used an SW-Motech steel rack to mount it.

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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2013, 09:07:39 pm »
I am using a Givi v46 with an Admore lighting kit installed on both the top case and side cases.  I also used the Givi SR110 kit, a PITA to install but connects directly to the frame. 

I think the bike moves around a bit more passing the big rigs when at highway speed with the top box attached but not enough to not use the box.
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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2013, 09:55:43 pm »
Givi Maxia 55 here (not blacked out yet, summer project). I commute with my motorcycle everyday, no issues. Since buying my case from another Cogger in September, I have only rode once without it and that was only for about 2 miles. I have all cases on at all times because I never know what I might need the space for. Each time I load it, I do some low speed dips to get an idea for how it feels. After awhile, it will become second nature for you, and you will give it little thought. As an ex long haul driver and firefighter, I always take into consideration about the center of gravity, and balance.

I do notice that my top case at higher speeds tends to give the bike a small "wiggle" while passing beside larger vehicles. You tend to get used to it, but its still a bit unnerving at first though. Top cases are not meant to be high speed. But I do love the space!

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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2013, 10:05:34 pm »
have a givi e55 only thing bad is the amount of mirror it takes up
fair trade for the amount of carry .holds two module helmits.
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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2013, 10:14:26 pm »
The cure for this is rabbit ear mirrors...
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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2013, 11:11:13 pm »
Phils rack seems a must also

Yup. I agree.

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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2013, 11:35:32 pm »
does Phil have a plate for a Coocase?
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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2013, 03:21:48 am »
Phils rack seems a must also

Yup. I agree.

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+1 I also have the Admore lighting kit....love it!   :motonoises:  :great:

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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2013, 09:23:52 am »
 I will not really endorse what rack you should use on a C14 since IMO, there are multiple good choices. But IMO, if you chose to go with a large Givi and strength and stability are your primary concerns. You may want to also consider the Givi rack. It is IMO the best supported rack out there. Although I do not really care so much for the look of the Givi's support arms, there is no denying their functionality. Although other machined racks are much better looking and do can have Givi kit options. The trunk will bounce somewhat for lack of support based on the C14's rear rack design. And all the good looking engineering and plate strength will not stop the limitations of using the C14's OEM rear rack/hand hold plastic arms as the only support. Although I do not see it being any danger and they do work OK. They will never be as supportive as the Givi mount that uses the support arms. I guess it's a matter of function over form. But it also doesn't look as good either when no top case is mounted.
   As to top cases. I have used both Givi and Shad cases over the last ten years of so. So my input can be basically on them. Both are excellent cases in pretty much all regards. I have never had any problem to report on any of them other than lubing the lock now and then because of the C14 liking to spit rain much right up the back of the case and over the lock. So I felt a little preventive maintenance was necessary to ensure the lock continued to work smoothly. But it's not a lot different than any other bike using a case. Preventive maintenance on the locks is in your best interest.
   They of course both have something I like better and something I like less than the other. (Like pretty much every motorcycle) I have never owned the JCW cases or the Coocase. But I have seen both up close and have had feedback from folks who have or do own them. The Coocase looks decent, but I do not find the quality up to the Givi or Shad. And more than one person on the forum has mentioned that they had problems with them that required service and/or parts replaced. So for myself, I decided to stay with the tried and true quality of Shad and Givi.
    As to JCW, I have not been impressed by anything about them other than being very cost effective over the other choices. Unfortunately, IMO, you get what you pay for in regards to cases. Although the JCW is functional and cost effective. I personally would pay more for the Givi or Shad. I look at it that for most folks that can afford the price of a C14 (especially a new C14), normally do not so much have a need to buy (IMO) a lesser quality case. And I am not saying bad case, just not as good. So for me I tend to stay with Shad or Givi based upon my opinion of quality, as well as hearing testimonials over the years from folks who have the others. And again, I am not saying the others or bad or do not buy them for what ever reason. Only what I feel.
   And since I am giving input. IMO, if you are going to buy a top case. IMO, buy the bigger cases. They really are not all that much bigger over the smaller size cases and normally do not seem to effect handling much different that smaller cases. That is unless you load it with phone books and place and extreme amount of weight in them. But for most folks normal riding, yes it might effect handling and center of gravity that could be noticeable. And the amount of weight can change how noticeable it can be. But IMO it is better to have the capacity of a larger case and not need it, than not have the capacity of a large case an need it. So I tend to go with larger cases. Again these are just my opinions and not meant to disrespect other folks choices and thoughts. Hope it might help somewhat.

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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2013, 09:35:26 am »
Right now I am at a crossroad between the Shad 48 and the Givi 55 or 52...Givi wins on lighting...but Shad seem to have better aerodynamics....
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I was under the impression the Givi rack flopped around the box whereas the Phil was more sturdy....Heck you know I chose functionality over looks anytime...thanks for setting straight on that
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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2013, 09:50:25 am »
 I cannot guarantee that any top case will stay 100% solidly in place on it's selected rack since it is dependent upon being held in place and tight on the mounts retention system. And cases may and do move around a little on probably every mount to some degree. My comment was more in line with the Givi mount support arms aiding and mostly preventing the whole rack/mount from bouncing on the C14's OEM support/hand grab arms. I have rode behind enough of them to watch and form an opinion to support this. The only top cases that do not seem to bounce a lot used a Givi rack with the support arms.
   Again, I am not saying it is a problem having the case bounce a little. Only that I can see the merit and less stress possibly being put on the mounting and top case itself by not bouncing so much. But I will also point out that if you rarely use a top case and it's more of travel luggage. Well in that case I might chose the looks of a machined rack since they look a lot better on the C14 itself. The top case not being used a whole lot would also be subject to a lot less stress as well since it really isn't mounted on the bike. But since your pointing towards this being a mainly permanently used option on your bike. Well for one you won't see the better looking mounts anyway unless you remove the case from the bike. So in that case, there goes the main reason to use the machined racks over the Givi. Just my two cents.

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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2013, 10:06:40 am »
I will endorse Phil's rack because he has been supplying the club with good stuff at least since I became a member, probably a lot longer. And he's a nice guy. Same reason I endorse Murph, and other long time industry members.

We have industry members who have done well by us and deserve our endorsement. Since I can only speak for myself, they get mine. I use Phil's rack. I'd recommend it to anyone who wants a better rack than the plastic one that comes on the C14. It fits, it looks great, the quality is first class. You can't do any better afaik for any price.
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Re: Calling all Topcase.rs
« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2013, 12:50:47 pm »
Here's mine...Givi Maxia E55NT with the Admore Light kit....works well and like others have said, don't really notice it at all.  And, my wife loves it as well as the backrest.  Enjoy...




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