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Title: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on December 04, 2016, 04:56:12 pm
I got the side plastics off before it got really cold and I am about to start the installation of my cruise Control but am wondering where the control should go, LEFT or RIGHT side?
Murphs shows it on the right but I think that would be awkward to set while holding the throttle.  The Murphs purchased mount looks like it requires the removal of heated grip wire cover.
All of the factory built systems on other bikes  that I have noticed are always on the left which makes sense to me.

Now having never ridden a bike with cruise I though I might ask the wisdom for the COG members.... LEFT or RIGHT and ABOVE, CENTER or BELOW the grip?

Also please feel to post pictures of the mount location.

Thanks
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c118/sabrederek/CC%20mount2_zpsw3ojv97x.gif) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/sabrederek/media/CC%20mount2_zpsw3ojv97x.gif.html)

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c118/sabrederek/CC%20mount_zpszow44oad.gif) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/sabrederek/media/CC%20mount_zpszow44oad.gif.html)

Here is a mount made for the right side.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c118/sabrederek/Rostra%20Control%20Switch_zpsnj800qlf.jpg) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/sabrederek/media/Rostra%20Control%20Switch_zpsnj800qlf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: gsun on December 04, 2016, 08:13:05 pm
I got Murphs mount and it is for the right side. If you can, mount it on the left side. It is awkward on the right.
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Jorge on December 04, 2016, 08:45:02 pm
My recently acquired C14 has the MC Cruise mounted on the left, and it seems to work well. Unless you're a contortionist, I'd say put it on the left side.
Jorge
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: C14lvr on December 04, 2016, 10:37:00 pm
Seeing that your's is a 2010, I assume then it has heated grips.
The right side has that guard over the wire at the throttle. Mine did, too.
I looked at what I'd have to do to put it there, and decided to go on the left side.
Plus, almost everything is on the left.

Some have put theirs there on the right and have posted they have no issues with setting it.
To me, it would have been awkward trying to hold the throttle and push the buttons...

Mine's on the left, and it works well for me.
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Sailor_chic on December 04, 2016, 11:12:29 pm
Mine is on the left also.
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Cap'n Bob on December 04, 2016, 11:22:45 pm
I tend to mount mine on the left. I find it much easier to engage while keeping the throttle hand steady.  Just my preference.
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Justin726 on December 04, 2016, 11:49:59 pm
I put mine on the left.  Works great.
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Bigfoot_16 on December 05, 2016, 01:59:33 am
Here's another vote for the left handlebar. I tried it on the right and hated it. Of course, that's before I had Steve's flash and it was so blasted difficult to hold a steady speed and push a button simultaneously with the same hand. I fabricated a bracket from a Simpson Strongtie bracket from Home Depot. I have photos of it somewhere on the forum.
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Zarticus on December 05, 2016, 02:02:18 am
Murph's bracket can be used on the left side with a little tweaking  :beerchug:
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on December 05, 2016, 02:06:34 am
Thanks all. Seems I'm think along the right line..... aiming for the left side.
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Bigfoot_16 on December 05, 2016, 05:55:23 am
Derek, here's the link to how I did mine: http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=53492.msg400995#msg400995 (http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=53492.msg400995#msg400995)

Scroll to the top.
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on December 05, 2016, 11:09:41 am
Derek, here's the link to how I did mine: [url]http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=53492.msg400995#msg400995[/url] ([url]http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=53492.msg400995#msg400995[/url])

Scroll to the top.


Perfect, Thanks Mr Smallfoot... (You know my feet are bigger LOL)
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Bigfoot_16 on December 05, 2016, 02:24:29 pm
OK, pal, I wear size 16 AA. What size do you wear?
:popcorncouple:

And yes, I know I don't have the largest feet on the forum, but the nickname is still appropriate, nonetheless. ;D
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on December 05, 2016, 02:26:26 pm
16 PFFFT!

I wear 16 BEFORE I put my orthotics in!  17 with orthotics
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: mattchewn on December 05, 2016, 03:36:00 pm
Well,
I guess Fais and I both go against the crowd in this instance.
Both of our cruise units have the switches on the right handlebar below the switchgear. Super easy to use and very clean install. I custom made the mounting bracket for both installs from a 3 inch piece of aluminum bar stock. Took about 15 min to make each one.
Matt

Matt
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on December 05, 2016, 03:41:09 pm
Maybe it's mondays  snow fall that is clouding my vision but what is this switch gear you talk of? 
Would LOVE a picture!
Thanks

Well,
I guess Fais and I both go against the crowd in this instance.
Both of our cruise units have the switches on the right handlebar below the switchgear. Super easy to use and very clean install. I custom made the mounting bracket for both installs from a 3 inch piece of aluminum bar stock. Took about 15 min to make each one.
Matt

Matt
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: mattchewn on December 05, 2016, 03:44:04 pm
Derek,
The switchgear is the kill switch, starter button, etc, that is factory on every bike. Turn signals and horn button on the left bar.
Matt
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on December 05, 2016, 03:45:52 pm
Thanks,  never heard it call that before but hey, I'm from the great white north! ❄️
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Dave_Wilton on December 06, 2016, 03:14:32 pm
I mounted mine on the left and I find it works well for me.
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Bergmen on December 10, 2016, 12:26:31 am
I mounted mine on the left and I find it works well for me.


So did Yamaha:

(http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u580/Bergmen/Motorcycling/Yamaha%202014%20FJR1300A/IMG_3165_zps6bbb6b9e.jpg) (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/Bergmen/media/Motorcycling/Yamaha%202014%20FJR1300A/IMG_3165_zps6bbb6b9e.jpg.html)

Dan
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Rick2world on December 14, 2016, 07:06:40 pm
I'm looking into installing the rostra cruise control . I have two questions pertaining to the install.
For the control pad Murph has a bracket for 20 $ . Is it worth it . Is it plug and play or it must be adapted to fit on left side? Or it is better to make your own bracket?

Secondly, is the control pad waterproof ? If not is there a switch cover available for the control module?

Thanks
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on December 14, 2016, 07:15:58 pm
IMO no it's not worth buying murphs.  It only fits on the right side and in one place. You will be required to remove the cover for the heated grip wire (if you have HG).
I brought  it and will be making my own over the winter... with -22c predicted tonight and for a few days... I got time!

As for waterproof.... others can answer from experience but I plan to pack mine with dielectric grease and silicone the push together seam. 
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: mattchewn on December 14, 2016, 08:48:23 pm
All you need is a vise, a hammer, and a piece of 3 or 4 inch wide aluminum flat stock about 1/8 inch to 5 /32 inch thick. This can be easily made into a bracket to mount over or under the handgrip on the left or right side. I made mine for the right side. with a little planning you can position the switch assembly EXACTLY where you want it to be.
Matt
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on December 14, 2016, 09:10:44 pm
My first and second picture is what you get when you buy Murphs... just a aluminum plate and a longer screw.... didn't even get any 2 sided tape to attach the control to the plate.... I upgraded my control to the engage light which removed the standard control and the 2 sided tape apparently.  Not a big deal to get it myself just seems strange.  I did contact murph to see if it had been missed and he seems surprised but didn't offer any.... not what I have come to expect from such a highly recommended seller.


I'm looking into installing the rostra cruise control . I have two questions pertaining to the install.
For the control pad Murph has a bracket for 20 $ . Is it worth it . Is it plug and play or it must be adapted to fit on left side? Or it is better to make your own bracket?

Secondly, is the control pad waterproof ? If not is there a switch cover available for the control module?

Thanks
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on December 14, 2016, 09:13:28 pm
This is my plan... got some time now to work inside on it as the temps are going to -22C tonight and staying cold for a few days!


All you need is a vise, a hammer, and a piece of 3 or 4 inch wide aluminum flat stock about 1/8 inch to 5 /32 inch thick. This can be easily made into a bracket to mount over or under the handgrip on the left or right side. I made mine for the right side. with a little planning you can position the switch assembly EXACTLY where you want it to be.
Matt
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Fais on December 14, 2016, 09:51:31 pm
As Matt said I have mine on the right - BUt - under the switchgear not on top. A breeze with the right thumb and a balanced look since so many switches are on the left already.

Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: SteveJ. on December 15, 2016, 12:50:56 am
I just installed a Rostra on the Versys and used this SPDT momentary rocker switch as a controller for it and it works well and it is waterproof. Mounting involved no drama.

https://smile.amazon.com/ATV-Rocker-Switch-Handlebar-Control/dp/B000P0RT36/ref=pd_sim_263_9?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000P0RT36&pd_rd_r=JS8G5RD0D8CVMH4SRMPD&pd_rd_w=FZacO&pd_rd_wg=B3axB&psc=1&refRID=JS8G5RD0D8CVMH4SRMPD

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41FY49seJZL._SX425_.jpg)
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Rick2world on December 15, 2016, 01:33:27 am
All you need is a vise, a hammer, and a piece of 3 or 4 inch wide aluminum flat stock about 1/8 inch to 5 /32 inch thick. This can be easily made into a bracket to mount over or under the handgrip on the left or right side. I made mine for the right side. with a little planning you can position the switch assembly EXACTLY where you want it to be.
Matt

I think i will take your advice and build my own bracket

Thanks
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Rick2world on December 15, 2016, 01:40:22 am
IMO no it's not worth buying murphs.  It only fits on the right side and in one place. You will be required to remove the cover for the heated grip wire (if you have HG).
I brought  it and will be making my own over the winter... with -22c predicted tonight and for a few days... I got time!


Same temp here :??:

So no rush for now . I will take my time and make one that fits perfectly on the left side  ;) and doesn"t conflict with the heated grips.

Thanks
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Fais on December 15, 2016, 05:04:12 pm
Found this pic. Thanks again Matt! Now I can eat pistachios, get passed by Altimas and wave at the ticketers without worry . . . Still beats a cage but dang I miss cruising at 105 . . .

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm186/SECOG/Rostra/IMG_1453_zpsvmmllypc.jpg) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/SECOG/media/Rostra/IMG_1453_zpsvmmllypc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on December 17, 2016, 02:23:30 pm
Template Done!
I chose the left and it will be where the upper orange button resides... when you have all that fancy ABS/traction control stuff!

Now to get some metal stock at a metal supply place next week.... no scraps in the garage since I moved.

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c118/sabrederek/IMG_7795_zpsl579c6ai.jpg) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/sabrederek/media/IMG_7795_zpsl579c6ai.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: C14lvr on December 17, 2016, 02:36:46 pm
That should work fine.
Mine differs in two ways...
My switch had two plastic barbed studs on the back that went through two holes, one on either side of the center slotted hole. This is how my switch is held to the plate.

My plate does not have the bracket stem.
My bracket fastens to one of the handlebar clamp bolts, (using a longer tapered head screw.) There's a tapered hole drilled in the lower left hand corner.
The replacement screw will flush out with the mounting surface, once installed.

Other than those 2 things, looks similar to mine.
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on December 17, 2016, 03:23:21 pm
Bob,
I have the two plastic barbed studs on the back as well, I just didn't transfer them to this latest template as I want to measure the location a bit better.
Just looked at your picture again.... hmm will have to go retry the location, I like your location.  Back out to the cold cold garage.
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on December 17, 2016, 03:47:29 pm
Sticking with my plan Bob, my GPS blocks the line of sight where yours is.

thanks
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: C14lvr on December 17, 2016, 04:58:03 pm
Cool, Derek...
That's always an important challenge when adding stuff...
 :great:
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Rick2world on December 22, 2016, 02:21:04 pm
Rostra has two models of control pads, CC100 & 250-3592.
The CC100 seems to have 1 led in the center of the pas while the 250-3592 has two leds on top left and right side. Anybody know what are the differences? The CC 100 is slightly cheaper. The 250 3592 is better looking with their keys leds arrangement
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on December 22, 2016, 02:42:16 pm
Rostra has two models of control pads, CC100 & 250-3592.
The CC100 seems to have 1 led in the center of the pas while the 250-3592 has two leds on top left and right side. Anybody know what are the differences? The CC 100 is slightly cheaper. The 250 3592 is better looking with their keys leds arrangement


Hopefully someone can confirm but I think you are looking at 2 different units... the CC100 is the Audiovox cruise control and the 250-3592 is the upgrade Rostra controller.  the Rostra base controller is 250-3593 (and does look very much like the Audiovox controller) and does not have the "engage light" on it which is useful when running the diagnostics (so I am told).
Murph's sell both but Rostra is a electric servo controlled and the Audiovox use vacuum to operate and require a vacuum tank to be mounted somewhere.  This is one of the main reasons I choose the Rostra model over the Audiovox.  Cost is the reason I chose the Rostra over the McCruise which is about double the cost but is almost plug and play.

My Rostra is my BIG winter project.

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=67881.0 (http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=67881.0) is a good read.

If your ordering from Murph, skip the controller mount he sells, you going to want to make your own unless you want to mount it in the only position it fits.
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Rick2world on December 22, 2016, 03:09:45 pm
Thanks Derek

This will be my concours 1400 winter project. Looking to order the Rostra cruise very soon. Like you I will be making my own bracket.
Looked at a 3 part YouTube video on this install . It gave me some good insight of the work involved.
Will need to find some good schematic diagram for this install .

I'm from Montreal btw. Not to far from you!
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on December 25, 2016, 08:53:11 pm
Well Santa left a guitar, a video game and other noise makers under the tree this morning for the kids.... so to escape and for some real music (sound of tools making something is the real music to me) I headed to the garage.  Controller bracket build step 1, version 1 is complete!  Still have to clean and round the edges, drill the correct size for the friction pins, and paint it.  But the -6c and the smell of turkey  brought me inside!
 
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c118/sabrederek/IMG_7828_zpsd9wfmxgt.jpg) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/sabrederek/media/IMG_7828_zpsd9wfmxgt.jpg.html)
 
Notice I don't have to worry about covering that pesky orange button!  :-[  Wish I did though.
 
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c118/sabrederek/IMG_7829_zpshg6vwtdv.jpg) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/sabrederek/media/IMG_7829_zpshg6vwtdv.jpg.html)

And the real reason I stayed in.... my new camping tea mug.... and that's not tea in it right now!  Merry Christmas everyone!  :beerchug:
 
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c118/sabrederek/IMG_7830_zpsjdijsd89.jpg) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/sabrederek/media/IMG_7830_zpsjdijsd89.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on January 04, 2017, 02:56:06 pm
Getting there....  Suffering through a bad head cold so not clear enough thinking to work on wiring so doing the next best thing...

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c118/sabrederek/IMG_7891_zpsq7tg6a5s.jpg) (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/sabrederek/media/IMG_7891_zpsq7tg6a5s.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Rick2world on January 06, 2017, 01:14:12 pm
Hi Derek,
From the picture, it looks like you created a throttle arm extention. It the reason to get more levelage from the throttle arm?

Great work on your module bracket 👍

Keep to install pictures coming 😉
They're a great help 😀
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Derek on January 06, 2017, 01:23:01 pm
The extension is suppose to smooth out the engagement and acceleration. 
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: Fais on January 06, 2017, 05:02:35 pm
The extension is suppose to smooth out the engagement and acceleration.

And it will.

If I press the accell or decel button mine acts jerky. Matt suggested tapping the buttons instead and now I can control my speed smoothly. I'm sure I'll extend mine in the future = good idea.

 :beerchug:
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: RodneyW on January 06, 2017, 05:07:12 pm
I put an extension on my last install, and it made a huge difference, butter smooth compared to the previous install without the arm.  It is only a tiny bit of trouble to tap a couple of holes and add the extension.  Highly recommend.  It is close quarters in there, so you can't add much without hitting something!
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: mattchewn on January 07, 2017, 12:28:56 am
All you need is about 3/4 of an inch to make the Cruise silky smooth. This will smooth out the speed compensations for grade changes as well as button inputs. I added an extension arm to mine this go 'round and couldn't be happier with how well it works.
Matt
Title: Re: Cruise Control, Left or right mount?
Post by: JimBob on January 18, 2017, 03:47:42 pm
I mounted mine on the left and I find it works well for me.

So did Yamaha:


Dan

What model bike is that in the pic?