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Re: cruse controll
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2012, 07:46:33 am »
I wasn't concerned with the effect on Kawasaki's bottom line, just that it looks as though there is another competitor within the market that seems to have done their research as to what people want on a Sport Touring motorcycle. 

With that said, their particular market share may be small but with the impending new Yamaha coming soon, and the Triumph and the BMW 1600, at some point it will have an impact on Kawi's revenue stream.

Personally, depending on the price, the only thing I see on the new Triumph that I would particularly need to make my C14 better is the factory cruise.
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Re: cruse controll
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2012, 09:21:09 am »
The Triumph will have no effect on the Connie because Triumph's US market share is trivial and their European and Asian market share isn't much better.

Triumph hasn't been a major player since the late 1970s.


   I don't know if I agree with this. If the product is well designed and executed. Then said product can turn the smaller company (back) into a major player. Now I'm not saying that one bike can or will make such a differance. But it is possible. The fact is that not that many folks were buying C10's from a major player just a few years ago. The problem was that there was better options out there (that actually cost substantially more).
   Now Kawasaki has enjoyed the advantage of timing in regards to the success of the C14. They (IMO) would be foolish to make the same mistake they made for 25 years by just doing little to compete with the competition. They would be well advised to actually listen to the folks who ride motorcycles as to what they want in a sport tour.
  If Kawasaki is content to rest on it's development on stupid idea's like KIPASS instead of things folks could actually use (like cruise control) on a tour bike. They they are destined to head back to the bargain basement side of the sport tour segment. Few folks really have such brand loyalty that can be counted on. When a better product comes along, folks will take notice. And with the economy starting to turn around, and bikes like the new top dog BMW, and rumored forthcoming Triumph, Yamaha and Honda. Kawasaki had better take notice and actually think about the customer base, rather than just giving you what they feel like. The C14 isn't that good now. And it's at the top of the list right now.  ;)

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Re: cruse controll
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2012, 01:19:52 pm »
First of all, Triumph was never a major brand in the USA, despite having a vocal group of supporters. It has always been a niche product. Triumph has no effect on any other motorcycle manufacturer.

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Re: cruse controll
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2012, 01:37:05 pm »
First of all, Triumph was never a major brand in the USA, despite having a vocal group of supporters. It has always been a niche product. Triumph has no effect on any other motorcycle manufacturer.


   That statement is debatable. But never the less, could be (or could be again). All it takes is a quality product that gives folks what they want, at the right price. If they do (like other manufacturers) they could have major increase in the segment. Kawasaki so far has shown to focus on gimmicks sometimes more than substance (IMO). It's up to them, but I bet many riders would rather have useful items for touring on a tour bike, rather than gimmicks. So (again IMO) if Kawasaki takes the same road as they did with the C10, they could again fall behind.
   Now don't get me wrong, the C10 was a break through design when it debuted as the 86 C10. But other than a refresh, the C10 went 25 years with little to no upgrades. Thus they fell behind the curb and became the low cost, bargain basement of the sport tour community. The C14 is a decent design. But it lacks in a lot of areas that could easily be improved to keep it competitive. I guess it's up to Kawasaki if they feel it's good enough like the C10 was, or if they will try to stay competitive.
   I will say for sure that I will buy what works for me. And like a lot of other past and present COG members. I wouldn't (didn't) think twice about switching to another brand that I feel works better for me. I think Kawasaki would be wise to realize this and do what's needed to keep a great bike up with the great bikes.  This thread being about cruise control is a prime example. They can ignore it, or they could address it to try to attract riders.

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Re: cruse controll
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2012, 07:04:04 pm »
Compared to Honda, Kawasaki is a minor player.  That doesn't stop them from producing new products that raise the bar.  Why can't Triumph?
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Re: cruse controll
« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2012, 08:41:49 pm »
Compared to Honda, Kawasaki is a minor player.  That doesn't stop them from producing new products that raise the bar.  Why can't Triumph?


 It sounds like the new Triumph could wind up (possibly) be a better bike than the C14 and have (arguably) better equipment. I think Triumph can become a bigger player. Their products have been steadily improving. The key is to make it good, but have quality and reliability as well. So even if they do that, folks may be leery based on Triumph's of the past. It may still take some time for folks to gain trust, even if great right out of the box.  Think of Hyundai as an example.

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Re: cruse controll
« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2012, 10:48:31 pm »
Compared to Honda, Kawasaki is a minor player.  That doesn't stop them from producing new products that raise the bar.  Why can't Triumph?


 It sounds like the new Triumph could wind up (possibly) be a better bike than the C14 and have (arguably) better equipment. I think Triumph can become a bigger player. Their products have been steadily improving. The key is to make it good, but have quality and reliability as well. So even if they do that, folks may be leery based on Triumph's of the past. It may still take some time for folks to gain trust, even if great right out of the box.  Think of Hyundai as an example.

You have a point about Hyundai, they came back from a horrible reputation and being solely a niche player to having really good cars.

Having said that, Hyundai has ZERO impact on any of the major domestic or foreign car makers' plans.
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Re: cruse controll
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2012, 08:59:16 am »
So, wait...Kawasaki has 7% of the US Motorcycle market and we're all in agreement that their products effect their competitors.  Hyundai has 7% of the US Auto market and you don't believe they have ANY impact on their competition?

The Elantra was named the North American Car of the Year 2012 but that won't influence their competition in any manner?  Fit and finish, warranty, new engine designs?  Sounds a lot like a C14...

Not that I'm a fan of Hyundai but when they beat out Honda and Toyota as the best selling Asian brand in Europe, I think that might have SOME effect on the competition as well, right?
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Re: cruse controll
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2012, 11:18:37 am »
So, wait...Kawasaki has 7% of the US Motorcycle market and we're all in agreement that their products effect their competitors.  Hyundai has 7% of the US Auto market and you don't believe they have ANY impact on their competition?

The Elantra was named the North American Car of the Year 2012 but that won't influence their competition in any manner?  Fit and finish, warranty, new engine designs?  Sounds a lot like a C14...

Not that I'm a fan of Hyundai but when they beat out Honda and Toyota as the best selling Asian brand in Europe, I think that might have SOME effect on the competition as well, right?

You are probably right, as things are changing in the shrinking world economy and some factors which weren't important a decade ago are deal makers and breakers these days.

What is the source of your 7% for KHI in US market? Their off-road bikes alone must be over 7% you'd think. Is this figure counting ATVs, portable generators, and so forth?
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Re: cruse controll
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2012, 06:06:15 pm »
I rounded up from a report on worldwide motorcycle sales.  It was 6.8%.  I'll try and find the link again.  It was basically an investment packet.
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