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There have been a few posts lately asking about the need for forward/back adjustment of a trunk to better fit the passenger. Of all the racks I've sold, probably 99.5% of the users have liked the location of the trunk and it apparently fits most passengers. Any trunk that mounts with a universal mounting plate can be positioned anywhere within the lengths of the slots in my rack using T-nuts that are quick and easy to re-adjust. For the small percentage that want to move the rack forward or back, I make sets of rails that allow placement of the trunk to be customized in .450" increments. The rails, shown below, can be reversed to give a wide range of positions both to the front & rear of the stock location. The rails attach with the stock hardware and I include new stainless steel screws and "hat" washers so the rack looks stock except for the added 1/2" height.

Another question that come up often is about backrests, with & without a trunk. It isn't easy to fit a backrest given the gap between the stock rack location and the seat requiring a long bar to span the gap. Pirates-Lair, http://pirateslair.net/ConcoursStealth.htm, offers a very nice rack/backrest combination that keeps the bar short, but it positions the rack too far forward to comfortably fit a trunk, except for single riders. His racks have an enclosed channel welded to the bottom to completely support the backrest and a single bolt/knob to secure it.
If anyone wants to be able to use the Pirates-Lair rack/backrest, but occasionally mount a trunk, I have rails that move his rack back to the stock position where it's perfect for a trunk. To make it easier to mount a trunk, the Pirates-Lair racks now come spot-drilled on the bottom for the hole locations to install the SW-Motech kit that mounts a Givi monokey trunk directly to the rack.

Occasionally people come up with a totally unique requirement for rack placement and for those I can usually make the hardware to accommodate them.


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Re: Customizing trunk position for a passenger & backrest answers
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2013, 06:19:39 pm »
Great info Phil, thank you.
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Re: Customizing trunk position for a passenger & backrest answers
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2013, 10:07:20 pm »
Phil,
I want a set of those rails so I can use a Givi top case on my rack with the backrest installed. How much? Where do I order? I have the Pirates Lair setup. Also will need the SW Motech mounting kit for monokey case.
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Re: Customizing trunk position for a passenger & backrest answers
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2013, 11:51:35 pm »
 Phil - like Matt, I would like to purchase an entire kit. 

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Re: Customizing trunk position for a passenger & backrest answers
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2013, 02:55:02 pm »
Gremlin: Would you please contact me @ phham81@sbcglobal.net Thanks. Phil
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Re: Customizing trunk position for a passenger & backrest answers
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 09:36:14 pm »
Phil,

If I am going to run your rails and the pirates lair rack and backrest with a givi top box, will I be able to set it and forget it  ;D or will I have to move the rack forward for the backrest position to be proper?  In other words, can I have the best of both worlds with this setup or will I have to move things forward for the back rest and backward for the top box? 
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Re: Customizing trunk position for a passenger & backrest answers
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2013, 03:57:45 pm »
Paul: I get lots of messages about having BOTH a backrest & trunk at the same time.  The Pirates-Lair rack/backrest is designed ONLY for use with his backrest as his rack sits 2.250" farther forward from the stock position. He wanted a "snug" fit with as little backrest bar showing as possible. That's why his combination looks better than the others. However, In that position a trunk will crowd a passenger. I made the rails to re-position his rack back to the stock location so it could also be used with a trunk, but I don't think it will be useful in that position with the backrest installed as it will be 2.250" farther from the passenger. Most people use the trunk as a backrest. I cannot say whether you can use the rails, move the rack back to the stock location, and fit both a trunk(What brand/size) and the backrest. My idea was to increase the versatility so the Pirates-Lair's rack could also be used with a trunk for occasional use. I believe the backrest has about 1" of adjustment so it might allow both to be mounted together, but might not put the backrest in the optimal position.   
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Re: Customizing trunk position for a passenger & backrest answers
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2013, 02:42:53 pm »
Phil, are the rails pictured above the same ones one would use to mount your 47L Kawasaki box if your using the Corbin seat and Corbin back rest?
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Re: Customizing trunk position for a passenger & backrest answers
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2013, 03:32:23 pm »
Actually the rails pictured are intended for the Givi Monokey trunks. Since they are in a fixed position on the rack, the rails allow rearward placement of the rack & trunk. The Kawasaki trunk mounts with a universal mounting plate that allows many different positions on the rack. The Corbin backrest attaches to the Corbin passenger seat, so it is not affected by the rack/trunk mount. I don't believe their backrest interferes with trunk, but if it does, these rails would allow different positions for the rack/trunk.
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Re: Customizing trunk position for a passenger & backrest answers
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2013, 04:01:56 pm »
Thanks Phil
I just  purchased a used Corbin seat and noticed the back rest was really close to the rack. I did not try and put the box on. (lazy)
But in any event the Corbin literature says you can't use the the top box with the smuggler. So if in the future I get a smuggler this looks like a viable solution.
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Re: Customizing trunk position for a passenger & backrest answers
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2013, 04:02:48 pm »
Phil, are the rails pictured above the same ones one would use to mount your 47L Kawasaki box if your using the Corbin seat and Corbin back rest?


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I have the Kawi 47 mounted to Phils rack and have the Corbin with passenger backrest. No modifications needed, just slide the Kawi mounting plate that attaches to Phils rack all the way back and it will fit just fine with the passenger backrest.  :great:







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Re: Customizing trunk position for a passenger & backrest answers
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2013, 04:07:13 pm »
But in any event the Corbin literature says you can't use the the top box with the smuggler. So if in the future I get a smuggler this looks like a viable solution.



My Corbin smuggler trunk fits just fine with my Kawi 47 trunk mounted on Phils rack PR.  :great:










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Re: Customizing trunk position for a passenger & backrest answers
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2018, 02:25:41 pm »
Phil, quick question: I bought a Givi Maxxia E52, and I have an AST Back rest (see picture). I have a rack of yours with the SW-Motech kit (it is friggin AWESOME!).

My Givi came with the backrest, but I think i would like to keep the AST backrest in place, just because I don't want to have the Givi on it ALL the time, and want my GF to have something to rely on not to fall backwards, considering the nice power of the Connie.

So question is, would your rails allow for the backrest to be in place and the Givi to lock/open properly?

Thanks so much Phil!
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Re: Customizing trunk position for a passenger & backrest answers
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2018, 01:50:20 pm »
I wish there was a quick answer..... Let me think on it and research the parts you have. Can you contact me directly as there will probably be lots of questions. Thanks  pham81@sbcglobal.net.

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