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Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« on: April 02, 2014, 04:53:03 pm »
Has anyone been able to get the engaged light to work on their Rostra control pad? I believe it is controlled by the pink wire, but I don't know if it needs a ground or 12 volts to make it work, and the main Rostra unit only supplies a ground on the orange wire for the engaged function. It doesn't work if you just hook the pink wire to the orange one, so I'm guessing it needs 12 volts, is this correct?
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2014, 07:37:36 pm »
Yep, lots of us. All documented here:  http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/docs/Rostra%20install.htm  It is the reason the install calls for a second, optional relay: to allow the 'Engaged' light to function.

The problem you are having is that you are trying to put two parts together that were made by the same manufacturer and expecting them to function correctly.  :(   Unfortunately, these two Rostra parts do NOT function together.

The switch light requires a 12 volt input to work. The actuator puts out a ground signal that it is engaged. So if you connect the actuator and the switch together, the engaged LED is being fed ground and..... ground. Everything is working properly but they are incompatible with each other. In electronics terms, the output of the actuator is sinking and the input of the 'Engaged' LED needs a sourcing input.

The relay 'flips' the sinking output to a sourcing input and allows the engaged LED to function properly. A transistor could also be used, as could a flip- flop binary output but I thought the relay the simplest, easiest (both to use as well as purchase) way to go as well as the only way most people could check the function of part of the circuit (one can test a transistor for Hfe gain but that is not available to most people- everyone can see a relay click ON and OFF).

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Has anyone been able to get the engaged light to work on their Rostra control pad? I believe it is controlled by the pink wire, but I don't know if it needs a ground or 12 volts to make it work, and the main Rostra unit only supplies a ground on the orange wire for the engaged function. It doesn't work if you just hook the pink wire to the orange one, so I'm guessing it needs 12 volts, is this correct?
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2014, 07:49:20 pm »
Thanks, that explains it. I sort of figured this was the problem. Not sure it's worth the extra effort and relay just for a silly light.
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2014, 07:55:17 pm »
Yep, it is certainly not needed.

But it is the #1 diagnostic tool available for troubleshooting an installation, at least doing so from a distance and being limited to not actually seeing the bike; I have helped out quite a few people installing these things and there is often a diagnostic period- the engaged LED can be invaluable. One single device separates the entire electronic side of the CC from the entire mechanical side; if the engaged light lights, the electronic side is functional even if the mechanical side is not . Having worked with a pile of folks on the installation process, I find it is a fantastic aid in tracking down things such as too much play in the actuating cable, just as one example.

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Thanks, that explains it. I sort of figured this was the problem. Not sure it's worth the extra effort and relay just for a silly light.
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2014, 09:12:47 pm »
I think it's worth the little extra time to install the 2nd relay, The engaged light is a nice feature & it would be a shame to have it but not be working. Just my opinion  :beerchug:
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2014, 11:16:44 pm »
In stead of the second relay I used a separate 12v light and placed it in the spare lighter adapter spot.

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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2014, 11:50:08 pm »
Me too- I use a separate LED and resistor wired directly to the actuator. I was going to include that as an option in the original install but I did not want to further complicate the tutorial.

In fact, for quite a while after having a couple of Rostra switches fail on me due to corrosion, I was using momentary contact pushbuttons to control the Rostra: one button is Set / Decel and the other is Resume / Accel with the 'engaged' LED in the same flap of stainless that mounted the two switches.



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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2014, 08:28:01 am »
My engaged light has always worked. I just followed the instructions.  :motonoises:
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2014, 09:29:29 am »
Hi, Fred...
Brian's 100% correct.

One thing I might also add about the importance of the "engaged" light is also the obvious one...

There have been several times while riding and wearing gloves, I think I have pushed the switch correctly, only to find that I didn't...the light helps me determine whether the cruise switch is  correctly working or not.

You'd be surprised how often that happens... and it's nice to have that quick visual reference.

But, I totally agree that the best feature helps you troubleshoot if it's electronic or mechanical in nature if it should ever quit working. I feel it's totally worth the extra relay and effort.
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2014, 07:43:44 pm »
Yep, lots of us. All documented here:  http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/docs/Rostra%20install.htm  It is the reason the install calls for a second, optional relay: to allow the 'Engaged' light to function.


My keypad engaged light works, it always has...and it didn't occur to me until you guys started discussing it, but I did not install the optional relay, and the orange 'engaged' signal wire from my Rostra actuator is still not connected to anything. I'm not sure if it's funny, or scary...lol.

I just spent an hour tearing my C14 apart to chase wires to find out why. I remember during my Rostra install that there was some confusion over the wire colors from my keypad. There was one gray wire that didn't have any indication as to what it was for. Brian, I believe your instructions said to connect this gray wire to 12vdc+, or at least that is what I remember? In any case, that is what I did.

Confused yet?...lol.

Took me a little while to figure it out, but it looks like I inadvertently installed an Audiovox CCS-100t keypad. I ordered the Rostra kit from Murphs a few years ago, with just the basic Rostra keypad. (I did not select the optional keypad with the CC 'engaged' light). Problem is, my Rostra kit showed up with no keypad. I contacted Murph, and he sent me a keypad ASAP.

So, it looks like I received the wrong keypad, and didn't know any better at the time, and carried on with my install.

In looking a little further, it looks like the gray wire on my keypad is for illumination. The buttons on my keypad light up when the ignition is turned on. The weird part is, my engaged light turns on and off with the on/off button on the keypad. The bike doesn't have to be moving or even running, as long as the keypad has power, the engaged light turns on and off. I assume my keypad has a built in latching circuit for the engaged light? I don't know how else it would work. 

I also assume that the Audivox CCS-100 control module does not have an 'engaged' output for feedback, at least this would explain the latching circuit in the keypad for the engaged light.

In any case, I don't mean to confuse anybody with this story, but I thought it was interesting enough to tell. If you guys want me to delete the post, let me know.

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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2014, 09:09:06 pm »
One of the problems here is that Rostra and Audiovox (same company by the way) literally makes dozens of control switch assemblies for their products. That is why I specifically used part numbers in my tutorial; they are all different and not interchangeable.

As to your 'Engaged' LED Cory, that there thing is broke (technical term). The Engaged output of the actuator is pulled low (sink) when the system is truly engaged, meaning it has closed the loop, the vehicle is over XX MPH and the brake light is pulled low (again, sink). If your engaged light illuminates with the bike standing still, it is not really indicating the state of the engaged line (the orange wire) from the actuator. It sounds like you have tapped into the latching circuit of the switch itself and that is what is holding the light on. All of the switches have a latching circuit built into them; that is what holds the cruise control in the powered- up state when you let go of the 'ON' switch- I think you are powering the engaged LED up with that latching circuit.

What the engaged light is used for is identical to how they are used in all commercial vehicles with a cruise control: to let the driver (rider) know that the cruise is engaged and has control of the throttle. It is not an indicator of whether the cruise is actually turned on or not, but rather very specifically that it has control of the throttle.

By the way, there is a very definite current limit on the output of the 'engaged' wire on the actuator and it is something like 40 milliamps so an incandescent lamp cannot be used. Actually, one must be careful even using an LED as it is no problem finding those that will easily pass more than 50 milliamps of current.

As far as confusion, yep, plenty of that around this topic. Some of it legitimate, some of it not but all of it intimidating to the uninitiated. The only real way to deal with this is to pick a method of installation, try to understand what is going on and stick with it. Your post is not what is making this issue difficult though.  ;D 

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My keypad engaged light works, it always has...and it didn't occur to me until you guys started discussing it, but I did not install the optional relay, and the orange 'engaged' signal wire from my Rostra actuator is still not connected to anything. I'm not sure if it's funny, or scary...lol.

I just spent an hour tearing my C14 apart to chase wires to find out why. I remember during my Rostra install that there was some confusion over the wire colors from my keypad. There was one gray wire that didn't have any indication as to what it was for. Brian, I believe your instructions said to connect this gray wire to 12vdc+, or at least that is what I remember? In any case, that is what I did.

Confused yet?...lol.

Took me a little while to figure it out, but it looks like I inadvertently installed an Audiovox CCS-100t keypad. I ordered the Rostra kit from Murphs a few years ago, with just the basic Rostra keypad. (I did not select the optional keypad with the CC 'engaged' light). Problem is, my Rostra kit showed up with no keypad. I contacted Murph, and he sent me a keypad ASAP.

So, it looks like I received the wrong keypad, and didn't know any better at the time, and carried on with my install.

In looking a little further, it looks like the gray wire on my keypad is for illumination. The buttons on my keypad light up when the ignition is turned on. The weird part is, my engaged light turns on and off with the on/off button on the keypad. The bike doesn't have to be moving or even running, as long as the keypad has power, the engaged light turns on and off. I assume my keypad has a built in latching circuit for the engaged light? I don't know how else it would work. 

I also assume that the Audivox CCS-100 control module does not have an 'engaged' output for feedback, at least this would explain the latching circuit in the keypad for the engaged light.

In any case, I don't mean to confuse anybody with this story, but I thought it was interesting enough to tell. If you guys want me to delete the post, let me know.

Cheers,
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2014, 09:34:15 pm »

As to your 'Engaged' LED Cory, that there thing is broke (technical term). The Engaged output of the actuator is pulled low (sink) when the system is truly engaged, meaning it has closed the loop, the vehicle is over XX MPH and the brake light is pulled low (again, sink). If your engaged light illuminates with the bike standing still, it is not really indicating the state of the engaged line (the orange wire) from the actuator. It sounds like you have tapped into the latching circuit of the switch itself and that is what is holding the light on. All of the switches have a latching circuit built into them; that is what holds the cruise control in the powered- up state when you let go of the 'ON' switch- I think you are powering the engaged LED up with that latching circuit.


Yes, yes, and yes...lol. I understand how it all works, and how it's supposed to work, and even the logic behind it.

I've done the same thing in industrial applications many times. If you use a PLC output to power a relay coil, you're not supposed to use that same output to fire the 'ON' indicator light on the HMI. We always used an aux switch on the relay for feedback, so that the guy in the control room actually knows that the relay closed.

Anyway, the problem isn't that I wired it incorrectly or tapped into anything I shouldn't have. The problem is that I installed the wrong switch. I don't see any other way to wire it...there's no external wire for the 'ON' light. My switch obviously turns the engaged light on internally....but all it is indicating is that I pushed the button and the switch is engaged. It's not telling me anything about the Rostra actuator itself.

I can laugh about it I guess...it was my mistake for not checking what switch I had.

PS: I should add that my switch doesn't say 'engaged', it just has an LED in the center of the switch that says Cruise Control.

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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2014, 09:48:44 pm »
Oh, well that is not an 'Engaged' light, it is merely the 'ON' light to show that the system is powered up, and it is performing correctly.

Some switches also have an 'Engaged' light that will only illuminate when the CC is actually engaged but it is always separate from the 'ON' light. I recommend using those switches or adding an indicator LED as they are very helpful for diagnosing as well as just plain ole' making sense to me- when a device is doing any part of controlling a vehicle, there should be an indicator light saying that that is the case. It is really helpful when the CC is set at 70 MPH, you have been doing 75 MPH for a while (by holding the throttle open) and then let off the throttle to take an exit. When the bike slows a bit and then the throttle re-engages to maintain speed, it is great to glance down and see that it is the CC that is "helping" you rather than any other possibility..... such as a stuck throttle, etc. All in my opinion of course.

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Yes, yes, and yes...lol. I understand how it all works, and how it's supposed to work, and even the logic behind it.

I've done the same thing in industrial applications many times. If you use a PLC output to power a relay coil, you're not supposed to use that same output to fire the 'ON' indicator light on the HMI. We always used an aux switch on the relay for feedback, so that the guy in the control room actually knows that the relay closed.

Anyway, the problem isn't that I wired it incorrectly or tapped into anything I shouldn't have. The problem is that I installed the wrong switch. I don't see any other way to wire it...there's no external wire for the 'ON' light. My switch obviously turns the engaged light on internally....but all it is indicating is that I pushed the button and the switch is engaged. It's not telling me anything about the Rostra actuator itself.

I can laugh about it I guess...it was my mistake for not checking what switch I had.

PS: I should add that my switch doesn't say 'engaged', it just has an LED in the center of the switch that says Cruise Control.

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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2014, 09:56:08 pm »
Oh, well that is not an 'Engaged' light, it is merely the 'ON' light to show that the system is powered up, and it is performing correctly.


Yes...sorry for the confusion on what the light actually was...but as far as I knew, it was the engaged light...lol. It turns on when I push the 'on' button. Keep in mind, I've never seen another Rostra installed...only my own.

I didn't know how a 'normal' Rostra switch was supposed to look OR act. As far as I knew, I had the right switch. (Until today...duh).

Anyway, when I turn the bike on, and the keypad gets accessory power, the buttons both illuminate. When I turn in CC on, the LED in the center illuminates.

That's all.

Ok, if anybody is looking for me, I'll be over perusing the McCruise website...lol.

PS: My Rostra CC kit has always worked just fine btw....for what it's worth...wrong switch or not;).

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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2014, 11:34:50 pm »
Rem,

Here's a pic of mine, showing the separate power light and engaged light.



Not sure if anything's changed since I bought mine from Murph 2 years ago, but at the time he only included the switch w/o the engaged light.

I told him I wanted that option and the additional relay, (which is the same as the one you install for the brakes) and he ordered it, and traded the switches out for me at no additional charge.

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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2014, 11:44:08 pm »
Yep, I just went to fetch up a photo of mine and you beat me to it but that is the same switch I had.... before it corroded into dust. But I believe that is the very switch I specify by part number as the optional switch w/ Engaged light in the tutorial.

That switch has three sets of lights in it. The first are the button lights that are supposed to be connected to the interior light dimmer in a car but just get powered up with 12 volts on a bike (they are on whenever the ignition is on). Then there is the 'ON' light which comes on whenever the Rostra is powered up and acts exactly as Cory described. And finally, there is the 'Engaged' light which will illuminate whenever the Rostra actually engages and is trying, at least electrically, to control the throttle.

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Rem,

Here's a pic of mine, showing the separate power light and engaged light.



Not sure if anything's changed since I bought mine from Murph 2 years ago, but at the time he only included the switch w/o the engaged light.

I told him I wanted that option and the additional relay, (which is the same as the one you install for the brakes) and he ordered it, and traded the switches out for me at no additional charge.

Bob
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2014, 12:04:42 am »
Yep, I just went to fetch up a photo of mine and you beat me to it but that is the same switch I had.... before it corroded into dust. But I believe that is the very switch I specify by part number as the optional switch w/ Engaged light in the tutorial.

That switch has three sets of lights in it. The first are the button lights that are supposed to be connected to the interior light dimmer in a car but just get powered up with 12 volts on a bike (they are on whenever the ignition is on). Then there is the 'ON' light which comes on whenever the Rostra is powered up and acts exactly as Cory described. And finally, there is the 'Engaged' light which will illuminate whenever the Rostra actually engages and is trying, at least electrically, to control the throttle.

Brian

Rem,

Here's a pic of mine, showing the separate power light and engaged light.



Not sure if anything's changed since I bought mine from Murph 2 years ago, but at the time he only included the switch w/o the engaged light.

I told him I wanted that option and the additional relay, (which is the same as the one you install for the brakes) and he ordered it, and traded the switches out for me at no additional charge.

Bob



Yes, you are correct, Brian. It's the one you spec'd.

What made yours go bad? Did you not have it siliconed or something?
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2014, 12:06:46 am »
Rem,

Here's a pic of mine, showing the separate power light and engaged light.


Ahhh, ok...cool. Thanks. Mine just has a light in the very center of the keypad that says "Cruise Control".

It's all so clear now;).
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2014, 01:48:33 am »
I've used silicone (RTV) but found that the "clump of wires" (technical term) did not lend themselves to waterproofing. After going through several Audiovox / Rostra switches, as well as momentary contact switches (which also corroded), I am currently using a Rostra switch that does not have the klixon switches inside it. It is the circuit board style with the conductive silicone membrane parts and it is heavily greased with axle grease. So far, it is the longest lasting switch mechanism I have used on the Rostra going back to '08 (the current switch does not go back to '08, but I started using a Rostra in '08).

The new switch looks like this and I just cover the printed circuit board with grease: water gets in but it cannot interfere with the switches or corrode anything.



And it does NOT have an engaged light so I use an external LED indicator light mounted in the bracket that holds the switch. Not the slickest thing in the world but it works and is reliable so close enough for me.

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Yes, you are correct, Brian. It's the one you spec'd.

What made yours go bad? Did you not have it siliconed or something?
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2014, 09:18:18 am »

That switch has three sets of lights in it. The first are the button lights that are supposed to be connected to the interior light dimmer in a car but just get powered up with 12 volts on a bike (they are on whenever the ignition is on). Then there is the 'ON' light which comes on whenever the Rostra is powered up and acts exactly as Cory described. And finally, there is the 'Engaged' light which will illuminate whenever the Rostra actually engages and is trying, at least electrically, to control the throttle.


You just answered my next question Brian...I was wondering what lights worked, and when.

Mine just has the light in the center that says "Cruise Control". See pic below. I might not have been so confused if it simply said "ON"...lol, but oh well. At this point and time, it doesn't really matter...it works. I didn't mean to lead you guys on a wild goose chase;).

After running problem free for a few years, my switch did get water in it last year after riding in the rain for days on end. I sealed mine up with silicone, and thought it was sealed 100%, but the water got in somewhere....likely via the wires in the back. It was a bit scary, because I had the cruise powered up at the time, but not set (engaged). I was riding along an Interstate in Ohio, and the cruise kicked on all by itself. I turned the power off, and it didn't act up (or work) again that day. After a full day in the sun, the switch appeared to dry out and was fine again. I did 1200 miles non-stop the day after that, and the cruise worked perfectly for every bit of it.
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2014, 09:58:57 am »

That switch has three sets of lights in it. The first are the button lights that are supposed to be connected to the interior light dimmer in a car but just get powered up with 12 volts on a bike (they are on whenever the ignition is on). Then there is the 'ON' light which comes on whenever the Rostra is powered up and acts exactly as Cory described. And finally, there is the 'Engaged' light which will illuminate whenever the Rostra actually engages and is trying, at least electrically, to control the throttle.


You just answered my next question Brian...I was wondering what lights worked, and when.

Mine just has the light in the center that says "Cruise Control". See pic below. I might not have been so confused if it simply said "ON"...lol, but oh well. At this point and time, it doesn't really matter...it works. I didn't mean to lead you guys on a wild goose chase;).

After running problem free for a few years, my switch did get water in it last year after riding in the rain for days on end. I sealed mine up with silicone, and thought it was sealed 100%, but the water got in somewhere....likely via the wires in the back. It was a bit scary, because I had the cruise powered up at the time, but not set (engaged). I was riding along an Interstate in Ohio, and the cruise kicked on all by itself. I turned the power off, and it didn't act up (or work) again that day. After a full day in the sun, the switch appeared to dry out and was fine again. I did 1200 miles non-stop the day after that, and the cruise worked perfectly for every bit of it.

We installed this same switch as yours pictured here on FlyingKaw's BMW RT and GS.
He bought a small LED from Radio Shack, and a relay, and we installed it in his dash panel.

Wow... I bet that was a bit of a shock when your CC took off like that!
I siliconed mine up pretty heavily, and so far so good.
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2014, 10:10:42 am »
Wow... I bet that was a bit of a shock when your CC took off like that!
I siliconed mine up pretty heavily, and so far so good.

Yeah...I have to admit, it was a bit of a scare. I don't want to say that I was tail-gating a car at the time, but I was close enough that I had a pucker up moment. I've ridden in the rain a lot, but this trip was a bit different...we had a couple days of heavy rain, so I think after enough abuse, the water just worked it's way in somehow. It only happened the one time, and it was totally fine once I turned the power off.

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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2014, 02:52:38 am »
Well, one important thing everyone that installs one of these needs to remember is...
These switches and cruise control systems are universal,and originally intended to be installed in a car.
The switches are not waterproof, since they were originally intended to be mounted on the dash inside a car.

We've just adapted these for bike application, and they work amazingly well...
As long as we keep the water out of the switches!
So far though, it seems to be the systems only weakness.

I had always heard if the switch got wet, it would just quit working...
Not engage on it's own!
Yikes! :-\

Thank goodness for triple redundancy to turn it off, huh?
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2014, 11:23:42 am »

I had always heard if the switch got wet, it would just quit working...
Not engage on it's own!
Yikes! :-\

Thank goodness for triple redundancy to turn it off, huh?

Well, I guess in my case...the system was powered up, but not engaged. The water that got in the switch obviously closed the "Set" switch, and engaged my cruise control. Not really a big deal if, lets say, you were accelerating at the time...the cruise control's engagement might be relatively smooth. If you were coasting, or didn't have much of a load on the engine, the engagement of the cruise control would give a bit of a kick (as it did to me;).

I guess if enough water got in the switch, it could close the "ON" circuit, and the "SET" switch, but I'm thinking that that would be highly unlikely. Then again, I don't really know much about the circuitry inside the keypad....I'm sure BDF could elaborate on that a bit.

I should ad that due to the industrial work I do...I am a relatively experienced "siliconer"...haha, and I thought that I had that switch sealed up as tight as a frog's butt...lol. Not so. I really sealed up the area where the wires pass through the back of the keypad, as well as the perimeter of the keypad housing itself. I didn't apply it with a spoon or anything...I was neat and tidy about it, careful to cover all cracks and seams, but at the end of the day, the water still got in it.
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2014, 01:23:30 pm »
Since this is a farkle I'm considering in the future, I'm wondering, why not simply build a control panel using waterproof switches?  Seems like all the housing contains is a pole switch, two momentary switches, and two indicator lights. Am I missing something that makes it complicated?
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