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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2014, 02:17:07 pm »
What you did was fine of course, but if you are using a stand- alone LED for the engaged light function, you do not need the relay. Just tie the LED to +12 volts on the bike anywhere, put a resistor in- line (you need that with or without a relay unless you buy a LED assembly made to work on 12 volts) and tie the 'ground' end to the orange wire from the Rostra actuator.

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We installed this same switch as yours pictured here on FlyingKaw's BMW RT and GS.
He bought a small LED from Radio Shack, and a relay, and we installed it in his dash panel.

Wow... I bet that was a bit of a shock when your CC took off like that!
I siliconed mine up pretty heavily, and so far so good.
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2014, 02:22:27 pm »
Yep, you could do that and it would work fine.

I think what most of us tend to try to do is use the factory switch and 'just make it weatherproof'. And there is the rub- making [not waterproof] things truly waterproof is tough to really accomplish.

The slickest set up I have seen is a miniature toggle switch; a two position momentary switch mounted in a hole drilled into the left switch housing on the bike. Almost invisible and works like a charm- reach up and bump the switch one way to set the cruise or bump it the other way to resume a previous cruise speed. They have a rubber boot and are waterproof. The only downsides that I know of are you have to drill a hole and fit the switch in a place where there is not much extra room and you have to run the wires out from inside the switch set housing. But that second part can be a plus because it allows the wiring to look factory too.

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Since this is a farkle I'm considering in the future, I'm wondering, why not simply build a control panel using waterproof switches?  Seems like all the housing contains is a pole switch, two momentary switches, and two indicator lights. Am I missing something that makes it complicated?
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2014, 12:57:18 am »
My Rostra switch with engaged light works great, just lightly coated everything with fishing reel grease. The first switch with silicone did not work out too well, water and corrosion! Have the Rostra on the left side and two hidden manual switches under the controls on the right side, they work together, so either hand! sweet set-up!

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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2014, 05:12:47 pm »
In stead of the second relay I used a separate 12v light and placed it in the spare lighter adapter spot.

That's what I did as well, used a green 12 v ready LED from Radio Shack and hooked it to 12v+ and the engaged wire from the actuator
without a relay and put it in the left side dash round plug thingie (<---Brian is not the only one that can talk big jargon techie).
In addition to staying lit when the CC is engaged, it does a quick flash when ever the CC power switch is turned on or off.
I assume that the "Engaged" light on the control switches that need to use a second relay do the same (one quick flash when the power switch is pushed on or off)??

I've been wanting to label the engaged LED with something that says "Cruise Engaged", but so far nothing I've come up with looks any better than
just the plain green LED in that black plug. The ol' Ptouch labels just don't look right, most have looked pretty clunky. Somewhere out there is a metal ring that has fine etching on it that says "Cruise" on the top and "Engaged" on the bottom. I haven't found it yet. I'm sure it exists, somewhere. (.♪.♫.♪..over the rainbow..♪.♫.)

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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2014, 06:48:13 pm »
Yep, anything using the 'engaged' line from the actuator flashes whenever any operational button is pressed on the CC switch. I think it is another simple diagnostic feature- it works out that way whether it is or not because it shows us whether the signal is getting to the actuator or not.

I am using the exact same set up at the moment. Unfortunately, it is not visible in direct sunlight. But then again it is not too bright at night either so it will have to do.

You could always get more, smaller LEDs and string them together to spell out ENGAGED when they illuminate. I guess it depends on how much spare time you have....  :rotflmao:

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That's what I did as well, used a green 12 v ready LED from Radio Shack and hooked it to 12v+ and the engaged wire from the actuator
without a relay and put it in the left side dash round plug thingie (<---Brian is not the only one that can talk big jargon techie).
In addition to staying lit when the CC is engaged, it does a quick flash when ever the CC power switch is turned on or off.
I assume that the "Engaged" light on the control switches that need to use a second relay do the same (one quick flash when the power switch is pushed on or off)??

I've been wanting to label the engaged LED with something that says "Cruise Engaged", but so far nothing I've come up with looks any better than
just the plain green LED in that black plug. The ol' Ptouch labels just don't look right, most have looked pretty clunky. Somewhere out there is a metal ring that has fine etching on it that says "Cruise" on the top and "Engaged" on the bottom. I haven't found it yet. I'm sure it exists, somewhere. (.♪.♫.♪..over the rainbow..♪.♫.)
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2014, 07:25:20 pm »
You could always get more, smaller LEDs and string them together to spell out ENGAGED when they illuminate. I guess it depends on how much spare time you have....  :rotflmao:

 :D Yeah, I guess I could. I've got the time, but I've already been told that I have too many LEDs now. So please you COGger's keep an eye out for that etched metal ring I was talkin' dreamin' about. Thanks.  :great:


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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2014, 07:48:14 pm »
I got it- use Nixie tubes! Who does not like Nixie tubes? Here are six for sale at a very reasonable price:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IN-14-RUSSIAN-NIXIE-TUBE-LOT-OF-6-NEW-TUBES-NOS-FOR-CLOCK-/331157902602?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item4d1a8c950a

Of course you will need 7 to spell E N G A G E D..... would just E N G A G E do? Or do you think that would make you think you should engage the CC when it is already engage....d. ?

'Course if you really want the ultimate in coolocity (sic), I suggest you go full retro and get an oscilloscope clock / Engaged indicator in one package! How cool would that be? Take this as an example:

https://www.google.com/search?q=oscilloscope+clock&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=vfZKU_6jCcrJ8AGa-IC4Bw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&biw=1920&bih=1085#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=3N1BMuf1iG_zdM%253A%3BDaR88LRYvOR46M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.tubeclockdb.com%252Fimages%252Fstories%252Fobl-6dig.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.tubeclockdb.com%252Fscope-crt-clocks%252F27-the-scope-clock.html%3B400%3B300

Of course you would have to add the word Engaged that only appeared when the CC was actually engaged but that is pretty easy. Imagine, an honest- to- gosh O'scope clock (and engaged indicator) on the dash of a C-14, telling you the time, the date, whether or not your CC is engaged and irradiating you slightly all at the same time!

 :rotflmao:

I've been a- wantin' one o' dem O'scope clocks for a while but I just cannot find the perfect place in the house for one. But you have to admit, they are cool....

Brian

:D Yeah, I guess I could. I've got the time, but I've already been told that I have too many LEDs now. So please you COGger's keep an eye out for that etched metal ring I was talkin' dreamin' about. Thanks.  :great:
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2014, 10:33:04 pm »
I've used silicone (RTV) but found that the "clump of wires" (technical term) did not lend themselves to waterproofing. After going through several Audiovox / Rostra switches, as well as momentary contact switches (which also corroded), I am currently using a Rostra switch that does not have the klixon switches inside it. It is the circuit board style with the conductive silicone membrane parts and it is heavily greased with axle grease. So far, it is the longest lasting switch mechanism I have used on the Rostra going back to '08 (the current switch does not go back to '08, but I started using a Rostra in '08).

Not sure if the switch you use is the same size as the one in the picture, but Murph sells a good urethane cover which fits tightly around the control switch and waterproofs it. Still easy to push the buttons. I just put RTV on the underside where the wires come out and a little bead where the cover wraps around the bottom of the switch.

I've had the same one on since I put the cruise control on about 2 years ago or so. Its starting to get worn out but still has a long life ahead of it.

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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2014, 11:20:55 pm »
I've used silicone (RTV) but found that the "clump of wires" (technical term) did not lend themselves to waterproofing. After going through several Audiovox / Rostra switches, as well as momentary contact switches (which also corroded), I am currently using a Rostra switch that does not have the klixon switches inside it. It is the circuit board style with the conductive silicone membrane parts and it is heavily greased with axle grease. So far, it is the longest lasting switch mechanism I have used on the Rostra going back to '08 (the current switch does not go back to '08, but I started using a Rostra in '08).

Not sure if the switch you use is the same size as the one in the picture, but Murph sells a good urethane cover which fits tightly around the control switch and waterproofs it. Still easy to push the buttons. I just put RTV on the underside where the wires come out and a little bead where the cover wraps around the bottom of the switch.

I've had the same one on since I put the cruise control on about 2 years ago or so. Its starting to get worn out but still has a long life ahead of it.

Simple, effective, 100% waterproof.
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2014, 12:01:00 am »
I have a couple of those covers and have used them without success. Actually the covers work fine but it seems impossible to actually seal the switch where the wires enter it. I've covered the entire harness with GLOBS of silicone without success: this is what my switches have looked like in less than one year of use:



Using this switch instead, and coating the PC board with grease has proven the only effective method to keep a switch working for me at least:



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Not sure if the switch you use is the same size as the one in the picture, but Murph sells a good urethane cover which fits tightly around the control switch and waterproofs it. Still easy to push the buttons. I just put RTV on the underside where the wires come out and a little bead where the cover wraps around the bottom of the switch.

I've had the same one on since I put the cruise control on about 2 years ago or so. Its starting to get worn out but still has a long life ahead of it.

Simple, effective, 100% waterproof.
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2014, 01:24:12 pm »
Ya know, Brian... That's amazing!
It must be the difference in climate between us.

My switch still looks great after almost 2 years of use.
I went through a lot of bad weather last year on my trip out to Zion Nat'l Park, too.
I live in an apartment, but lucky enough that my landlord allows me to keep my bike parked under my covered front porch, and under a waterproof cover.

I still can't believe how corroded your switch got so fast.

I also read the previous post about suggesting to use the molded rubber cover Murph sends with the switch, but I hated the way it looked. Can't read through it, or see the lights.
So I don't use mine.

Good idea about the grease. I've done that with battery cables in the past, and it works well.
That clear dielectric grease would probably work well, too.
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Re: Engaged light on Rostra Control Pad
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2014, 02:46:04 pm »
Using Murph's switch cover and putting RTV into the hole where the wires come out underneath, mine has gone through torrential downpours that lasted 4 hours plus, and still works perfectly. I don't care if the cover is "ugly", nobody notices it anyway.

The outside of my switch looks new, and I'm sure the inside does too.
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