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Engine Guard Deception
« on: December 02, 2012, 04:08:09 am »
I bought and installed this engine guard on my own free will

Disappointingly, I scrape the sheeeta out of it on a right lean. If you look at the second pic you 'll notice (which I know do) that engine guard is kind of low on the right side of the bike.

Mind you, my bike has been lowered only on the rear; but scraping the engine guard BEFORE I scrape the peg is unacceptable. I am not a hot rodder at all. Even though my rear is lowered I never scrape--and I think I have taken some pretty good leans. There is a freeway entry I work at and I hang over the right side of the bike like a racer (dumb old man pushing his luck) I have never scrape the pegs yet...well, I am sure some of you race-freaks would easily outdo in there, nevertheless...

Do you folks with the Canyon Cage had any scraping (bottoming out) problem? Meaning: folks with Canyon and lowered C14

BTW: the engine guard is for sale.



ADDED: I am becoming more and more interested in the Police Kawa Engine Guard...ugly as they are. But I have seen pics of C14 thrown to the ground and they work pretty darn good.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2012, 04:41:58 am by nando »
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2012, 10:00:02 am »
  Let me be up front and say that this is only my opinion based on the photo and not based on experience with these bars. So I could be totally wrong here. I'm just trying to surmise what might be the cause of your problem. So with that said, I'll give you an opinion solely based on the information and picture that you supplied. And again, I could be totally wrong.
   Looking at the picture, I might see why. The bars look like the lower attaching point is lower than the peg itself. So unless it was really flush up against the fairing, it would probably hit first, becuase it's probably at the first point of contact. Of course I'm only going off the photo you supplied.
   But also looking at this photo. I don't think that a lowering link would make a differance here either. IMO, the bars are just in a position making them a first  contact point over the peg. I would be careful if this indeed the case. You would not want to suffer the fate of a lot of cruisers with crash bars. The bars hit first (with no give). Then the bike teeters on the bars causing the tires to lift and lose grip. Then they wind up with the Poseidon effect and over they go.
   Now just to add, this would probably only effect folks who do drag or at least hit the peg feelers from time to time. But it probably wouldn't be a problem for a more conservative rider. But it very might be for a semi aggressive rider. Again this is all just my opinion.

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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2012, 04:13:41 pm »
You are absolutely right bout this Bob...I had an engine guard on my RT that caught and it lifted the bike up...luckyly the bike landed back on the same angle and I continue the the turn...though my skin was flourecent white , my pelotas were in my throat...I cant believe this happen to me again...these things cost me over 400 including shi...I am a bummed out dude in this one
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2012, 05:12:47 pm »
Next time just nut up N and get the Top Block...  :great:
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2012, 05:36:34 pm »
Yo ZG,
I am not much of a fan of drilling holes on my bike...tis reason I have also stayed away from Rostra.

I am thinking the police Kawa engine guards...they ugly as sin though...but the benefit: then I can carry my shotgun in the rack... to more efficiently deal with unruly cagers...

If you look up the police bike vids there is one where they throw the C14 down on the floor...man! that police rack works well...not a scratch!...
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2012, 12:11:33 am »
Thanks for the heads on the Canyon Cages.  I was thinking of a pair, but like the looks of the bars from Top Block like on ZG's farkle-bike better.
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2012, 12:16:19 am »
The MC Enterprise Guards work extremely well.  When trying to make a quick turn into a gas station I lost control and couldn't hold my bike up after three hours on the Interstate; my beloved C14 went down.  I swore in my helmet, turned off the engine and picked the bike up with minor nicks to the paint on the engine guards and saddle bag guards.  They are ugly, but they work.

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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2012, 01:30:04 am »
Here is a 'real' engine guard...effective and ugly
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2012, 03:50:18 am »
Thanks for the heads on the Canyon Cages.  I was thinking of a pair, but like the looks of the bars from Top Block like on ZG's farkle-bike better.

The op did not have canyon cages. The cc's do not touch before the pegs.

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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2012, 05:35:16 am »
Thanks for the heads on the Canyon Cages.  I was thinking of a pair, but like the looks of the bars from Top Block like on ZG's farkle-bike better.

The op did not have canyon cages. The cc's do not touch before the pegs.

Thats right...they are R&G sold by Twisted Throttle
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2012, 07:14:58 am »
Oops, my bad.  Could have sworn those were the CC's.  Thanks.
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2012, 03:14:01 pm »
Canyon cage:

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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2012, 05:22:31 pm »
Canyon does'nt even show a pic of the left side...

Would be cool to have some close ups of where the screws go...

...These dont look as ugly as the cop-bikes but I be willing to bet the cop bike guards work better.
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2012, 07:19:49 pm »
We had a member low side at something over 15 mph and the Canyon Cage and small rear bag guard bars pretty much saved the bike. 'Nuff said.
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2012, 08:09:59 pm »


I believe it. I got Canyon on my rear already to compliment the R & G which are cuter...but...
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2012, 09:43:15 pm »
I'd just like to pop my head in here and say the OP does NOT have our Canyon Cages. I just wanted to clear that up before we get any negative rep associated with our guards that is incorrect/untrue. We did extensive tip-over testing when designing both our Canyon Cages and Law Enforcement guards for the Concours and neither guards come close to hitting the ground during turns or sharp maneuvers. The hero peg is ALWAYS first to scrape and any guard that touches before the hero peg should be rightly avoided due to serious safety concerns.

With that said, both the Law Enforcement guards and Canyon Cages protect the bike very well in no-to-low speed tip overs. Neither guard protects the bike more than the other except in cases of high-speed wrecks, generally involving other vehicles. If any of you guys have any questions regarding MC Enterprises accessories, I'd be happy to answer them for you either here, via PM, email, or you can always reach me at the office during business hours. Also, I have attached some larger photos of our Canyon Cage for you guys to check out.










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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2012, 10:18:57 pm »
Just spoke to Ryan at MC...going with the Canyon... :beerchug:

Great customer support at MC...a refreshing experience after dealing with Twisted Throttle


ZG, you forgive me if I don't get the ones like on your bike, would you?...I love you man!!!! :great:
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2012, 10:22:54 pm »
Just spoke to Ryan at MC...going with the Canyon... :beerchug:

Great customer support at MC...a refreshing experience after dealing with Twisted Throttle


ZG, you forgive me if I don't get the ones like on your bike, would you?...I love you man!!!! :great:

Thanks for the kind words, nando! It was a pleasure working with you. Also, check your email inbox! I just shot off those other photos as well as the mounting instructions for you! You Canyon Cage will be shipping out first thing tomorrow morning and should arrive within 2-4 business days. Enjoy!

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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2012, 11:56:34 pm »
Just spoke to Ryan at MC...going with the Canyon... :beerchug:

Great customer support at MC...a refreshing experience after dealing with Twisted Throttle


ZG, you forgive me if I don't get the ones like on your bike, would you?...I love you man!!!! :great:

All good bro, no worries...  :beerchug:
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2012, 12:30:19 am »
Going by the pics here, I could live w/ those.  In over 40 years of riding, only once have I gone down...doing about 15 mph, and a young deer jumped out, hitting my front wheel, and knocking me over...year was 1978, and I had my new Honda 750F for less than a month, w/ new case savers on.  So...I guess it is time to protect this bike in any way I can.  One question re: the Canyon Cages...are they solid, or hollow core tubing?
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2012, 12:44:10 am »
A question comes to me on this topic.  If you have the MC Canyon Cages on your bike, would you need any sort of "sliders" like ZG and others have installed with other brands of tip-over protection?  The Canyon Cages look like they would eliminate the need for the sliders on the axles and on the shaft.

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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2012, 02:12:38 am »
According to folks who have Canyon Cager and the manufacturer, No! you don't need sliders. Someone told they did a 15mph drop with CG and not a scratch....and don't be surprise if someone else post something contradicting this. You may want to talk with Ryan at MC Enterprises...he is one 'straight up' dude and will answer your questions on the CG which he has tested.
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2012, 03:31:52 am »
I have the Canyon Cages, and they are STOUT! That bike in the pictures could be mine. Definitely worth the money. You're not touching those unless the bike is going down.
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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2012, 03:42:27 am »
According to folks who have Canyon Cager and the manufacturer, No! you don't need sliders. Someone told they did a 15mph drop with CG and not a scratch....and don't be surprise if someone else post something contradicting this. You may want to talk with Ryan at MC Enterprises...he is one 'straight up' dude and will answer your questions on the CG which he has tested.

To maximize protection you need the rear guards

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Re: Engine Guard Deception
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2012, 04:50:36 am »
Another note in addition to saving my bike when I dropped it the other week, the MC Police Bars saved my bike from a low side two years ago.  As I went in to a decreasing radius-down hill right hand turn the tires started to slide more than they normally did.  I naively thought my skill saved the day until a few months later as I was waxing my cycle during the Winter down time I looked and saw scrap marks on the crash bars and thought holy wade that was the best $300 I spent since buying my cycle.  The bars kept the bike up until the tire could regain traction.  So I thank MC enterprises and their extremely high quality products.