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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #50 on: March 18, 2014, 12:09:05 am »
I aimed the DDM Tuning HIDs on my ZX14 per the shop manual, and not once did a car ever flash its high beams at me if I was running LO beams.

To do that, I took a step ladder down the driveway to the prescribed distance (bike in the garage) and put a "target" on it. Once it was adjusted, I really liked how it would turn night to day without bugging on-coming traffic.
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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2014, 03:04:25 am »
There was a gentleman who claimed we could get lots more light out of the HID retrofit if we just cut the shield. Well I gave it a try and all I got for my trouble was a glob of light exactly where I did NOT want it- in the oncoming driver's eyes. The stock and modified shield patterns looked like this:


That 'Blob' of light above the cut- off is what you get when you cut the shields. No useful light on the road whatsoever. What you are looking at are low beams in all photos with the cut off line. In the front end of the bike photo, the headlight glaring at the camera is the one modified by cutting the shield.

DO NOT modify either shield on the HID replacement for the H4 and you should be all set. Any modification of the lamp housing will throw out a lot of glare and be pretty inconsiderate of other people on the road IMO.

I aim my lights per the US spec's which are basically that the cut off line should move down as the distance gets greater. Of course there is a drop per distance (2 1/2" at 25 feet I think) but again, the critical thing is that the cutoff line on the headlights be aimed below level- this will keep most light out of oncoming driver's eyes.

Nope, no problem with oncoming traffic flashing me with their high beams. And I ride a lot at night so I take that as a good sign (although certainly not data).

Brian


Thanks Brian.. Can you explain more on the shield, is this the lo / hi  function
And to confirm the more pleasant light ( right side, looking at the photo) is the one with the shield?
And the garage door shot is with the shielded bulbs?
Did you at all have to aim down with the hid's installed?
No complaints from oncoming vehicles or vehicle directly in from of you?
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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2014, 03:39:33 pm »
I've got a HID-online.com Philips HID setup on my 2012. PO put them on. They are much better than the A&R kit I had on my 2011. they fire every time, and the light output is overall better with a better pattern.

http://www.hid-online.com/pages/Genuine-Philips-HID-Conversion-Kits.html
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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #53 on: March 19, 2014, 05:48:10 pm »
I've got a HID-online.com Philips HID setup on my 2012. PO put them on. They are much better than the A&R kit I had on my 2011. they fire every time, and the light output is overall better with a better pattern.

http://www.hid-online.com/pages/Genuine-Philips-HID-Conversion-Kits.html


Go got the H4 lo / hi set up?
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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #54 on: March 19, 2014, 05:49:08 pm »
There was a gentleman who claimed we could get lots more light out of the HID retrofit if we just cut the shield. Well I gave it a try and all I got for my trouble was a glob of light exactly where I did NOT want it- in the oncoming driver's eyes. The stock and modified shield patterns looked like this:


That 'Blob' of light above the cut- off is what you get when you cut the shields. No useful light on the road whatsoever. What you are looking at are low beams in all photos with the cut off line. In the front end of the bike photo, the headlight glaring at the camera is the one modified by cutting the shield.

DO NOT modify either shield on the HID replacement for the H4 and you should be all set. Any modification of the lamp housing will throw out a lot of glare and be pretty inconsiderate of other people on the road IMO.

I aim my lights per the US spec's which are basically that the cut off line should move down as the distance gets greater. Of course there is a drop per distance (2 1/2" at 25 feet I think) but again, the critical thing is that the cutoff line on the headlights be aimed below level- this will keep most light out of oncoming driver's eyes.

Nope, no problem with oncoming traffic flashing me with their high beams. And I ride a lot at night so I take that as a good sign (although certainly not data).

Brian


Thanks Brian.. Can you explain more on the shield, is this the lo / hi  function
And to confirm the more pleasant light ( right side, looking at the photo) is the one with the shield?
And the garage door shot is with the shielded bulbs?
Did you at all have to aim down with the hid's installed?
No complaints from oncoming vehicles or vehicle directly in from of you?



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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #55 on: March 19, 2014, 06:21:54 pm »
I've got a HID-online.com Philips HID setup on my 2012. PO put them on. They are much better than the A&R kit I had on my 2011. they fire every time, and the light output is overall better with a better pattern.

http://www.hid-online.com/pages/Genuine-Philips-HID-Conversion-Kits.html


Go got the H4 lo / hi set up?


Yes, H4 hi/lo.   
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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #56 on: March 19, 2014, 10:14:48 pm »


http://www.hid-online.com/pages/Genuine-Philips-HID-Conversion-Kits.html


Go got the H4 lo / hi set up?


Yes, H4 hi/lo.

Did you order from that site?  Only Philips I see listed is for a r1200 and no H4 kits on their own brands.

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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #57 on: March 19, 2014, 10:42:42 pm »

Did you order from that site?  Only Philips I see listed is for a r1200 and no H4 kits on their own brands.

I didn't order them, but hey did come from there. I have the boxes and there was a receipt. I don't see the H4 on their site, so I would send them a message. The ballasts are CAN-BUS ballasts. PO paid $299.99
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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #58 on: March 19, 2014, 11:46:08 pm »
I aimed the DDM Tuning HIDs on my ZX14 per the shop manual, and not once did a car ever flash its high beams at me if I was running LO beams.

To do that, I took a step ladder down the driveway to the prescribed distance (bike in the garage) and put a "target" on it. Once it was adjusted, I really liked how it would turn night to day without bugging on-coming traffic.

But the zx has projector housings
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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #59 on: March 20, 2014, 03:06:46 am »
Please be aware that Philips does not make retrofit kits or HID parts in any form. They may be Philips lamps (burners) but someone else (3rd party) put them in that base. Philips makes "D" series HID bases only, as do all the OEM manufacturers such as Osram, GE, Matushita, etc., etc.. The ballast may be Philips (Hella) but otherwise, the "kit" is still third party and certainly not any OEM manufacturer of HID lighting.

Brian

I've got a HID-online.com Philips HID setup on my 2012. PO put them on. They are much better than the A&R kit I had on my 2011. they fire every time, and the light output is overall better with a better pattern.

http://www.hid-online.com/pages/Genuine-Philips-HID-Conversion-Kits.html
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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #60 on: March 20, 2014, 12:09:13 pm »
Please be aware that Philips does not make retrofit kits or HID parts in any form. They may be Philips lamps (burners) but someone else (3rd party) put them in that base. Philips makes "D" series HID bases only, as do all the OEM manufacturers such as Osram, GE, Matushita, etc., etc.. The ballast may be Philips (Hella) but otherwise, the "kit" is still third party and certainly not any OEM manufacturer of HID lighting.

Brian

I've got a HID-online.com Philips HID setup on my 2012. PO put them on. They are much better than the A&R kit I had on my 2011. they fire every time, and the light output is overall better with a better pattern.

http://www.hid-online.com/pages/Genuine-Philips-HID-Conversion-Kits.html



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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #61 on: March 25, 2014, 03:54:00 pm »
I ordered the Bi-Xenon Philips Motorcycle HID kit from www.motorcyclehidlights.com last night and this morning my ccard was being used all over the internet. Got a call from card fraud alert services, luckily they had denied most charges and I'm supposed to be credited for those that got through.  I've only used this card for two purchases since activation, one was my Connie a week ago from the dealer and the other for the HID kit last night.  I intentionally looked for the https: secure site indicator and the padlock that shows a secure transaction, but I guess that's not enough anymore.  Paypal all the way from now on.... >:(
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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2014, 06:14:29 pm »
Hello everyone!

I agree 100% about the conspicuity of the HID lights and have had them installed on both of the last 2 cars I have owned as well as my last bike (K1100LT). But... on my current new 2012 C14, the install went perfect (basically plug & play). It's another issue that I've traced to RFI/EFI noise emitted by the HID ballasts - a "No Transponder" message given just after startup when the headlights come on. If you hold the FOB near/close to the key during and shortly after startup, the message will not display.

Has anyone else gotten this message?

Thanx!
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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2014, 06:44:04 pm »
Yes, the interference between HID ballasts and KiPass is a known problem although not too common. A big part of whether or not the HIDs have any effect at all on the bike recognizing the fob seems to be where the fob is carried; if the fob is in a breast pocket on a riding jacket for example, it seems to happen more often. I carry my fob in my pants (easy boys!)- right pocket in fact, and have never had any problem with HIDs and have been using those for years. I think because the KiPass receiver is just under the front part of the saddle, carrying the fob lower makes it easier to be sensed by the KiPass ECU as well as more difficult for another signal to get in the way.

If you carry your fob in a jacket, try moving it to the right side of the jacket if it is not already there and your interference may go away. Also, if the fob battery is more than a year or two old, it would be worth changing it to a fresh battery and that too may squash any HID interference you have had (you may get a stronger RF signal from a new battery).

Brian

Hello everyone!

I agree 100% about the conspicuity of the HID lights and have had them installed on both of the last 2 cars I have owned as well as my last bike (K1100LT). But... on my current new 2012 C14, the install went perfect (basically plug & play). It's another issue that I've traced to RFI/EFI noise emitted by the HID ballasts - a "No Transponder" message given just after startup when the headlights come on. If you hold the FOB near/close to the key during and shortly after startup, the message will not display.

Has anyone else gotten this message?

Thanx!
Scott
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Re: HID headlights
« Reply #64 on: March 27, 2014, 02:34:39 pm »
You guys might want to try some of these on the leads to the ballast to alleviate some of that EMI.
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