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Title: Horn upgrade
Post by: Staylo on February 12, 2018, 04:14:53 pm
I purchased this pair of PIAA horns(mostly because it was the same price as a single horn), with the plan to only use one for now. I’m thinking I can just replace the stock horn with one of these units without needing to use a relay. At some point I would like to add the second horn, at which time I know I would need a relay. Am I correct that I can add a single horn without any changes to the wiring?  Thanks!

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00079V5ZI/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on February 12, 2018, 07:15:43 pm
Stock should be fine for 1.

I added 2 Fiam horns to mine because 2 tones are louder/more distinctive than 1 tone.
I'm disappointed by the Fiam's, and plan to eventually go to the Piaa's.

I mention it because I installed the 2 exactly where the stock single was.
  I'm 90% sure the Piaa's will fit too.
 Just takes a little deep thought and tinkering.   :beerchug:

Good luck, Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Jerdurr on February 12, 2018, 07:34:46 pm
I purchased this pair of PIAA horns(mostly because it was the same price as a single horn), with the plan to only use one for now. I’m thinking I can just replace the stock horn with one of these units without needing to use a relay. At some point I would like to add the second horn, at which time I know I would need a relay. Am I correct that I can add a single horn without any changes to the wiring?  Thanks!

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00079V5ZI/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1
you are correct, that is my setup right now; I'm not a big fan of it as it is, because it sounds like a duck with a cold, so I bought a Stebel Airhorn, but what a PITA to install! I may just install the second PIAA and call it a day :(
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on February 12, 2018, 08:01:52 pm
Look for Stebel info here.
http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/added-my-stebel-air-horn-tonight/msg618271/#msg618271 (http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/added-my-stebel-air-horn-tonight/msg618271/#msg618271)

Ted

Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: ghostrider990 on February 12, 2018, 09:22:32 pm
The Stebel was a bit too much for me in more than a few ways - mostly in SPACE and Electrical Consumption, so I did the dual Fiamm, with a little modification to the mounting location and wiring.

Using two aftermarket horns, you definitely should install a relay dedicated to the dual setup.
One horn would probably be ok on the OEM setup.

Agreed with Connie Rider, i'd favor the PIAA's for a bit more "distinctive" sound than the Fiamm's.  To me, while cheaper, the Fiamms sound like they belong on a chevy malibu.  By all accounts - a HUGE improvement over stock, but leaves something to be desired in the "what my japanese motorcycle horn SHOULD sound like" department.

Good luck with your choice.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Staylo on February 12, 2018, 09:29:14 pm
Thanks everyone.  I chose the 500/600Hz pairing because I liked that sound combo the best.  I agree, some of the other combos or brands sounding like a Chevy horn.  The 500/600 have a very 'european' sound that seems more fitting for a motorcycle.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Sailor_chic on February 19, 2018, 04:53:05 pm
Its too bad that someone still doesnt make her horn kit complete with horns, mounting bracket and wiring harness.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on February 19, 2018, 05:51:14 pm
Actually, I didn't know you still offered them??
Can you give details, and how many $$ ?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Staylo on February 19, 2018, 08:50:51 pm
Its too bad that someone still doesnt make her horn kit complete with horns, mounting bracket and wiring harness.
I know.  I wanted one but they were all gone. It's also why I decided on the PIAA kit instead of others.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: FTB530 on February 19, 2018, 09:56:32 pm
Its too bad that someone still doesnt make her horn kit complete with horns, mounting bracket and wiring harness.
Why doesn’t she or does she,
I wish I could copy your highway peg mounts!
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Fork on February 20, 2018, 11:14:25 am
I agree with the previous post. I tried to contact her to purchase the kit she had developed but did not receive a reply. Probably because she was exhausted from all the contacts and did not intend to continue producing the kits. I'd still buy one if available. You would think that one of the several vendors that post on this site would take up the project. I can tell you from experience that a two horn application will not work without a relay. There simply isn't enough wattage to make the two horns work and sound proper.

Fork
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: reid53 on February 20, 2018, 06:22:43 pm
Its too bad that someone still doesnt make her horn kit complete with horns, mounting bracket and wiring harness.
Nicole, one of the best farkles I've put on my bike!  Perfect fit and looks factory installed, and LOUD!
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: robertv on February 20, 2018, 06:27:23 pm
I missed the train to to getting Nicole's horn kit as well. But I'm curious if she can give the details to someone like Murph and make this available to everyone. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Sailor_chic on February 21, 2018, 01:55:16 pm
If there was enough interest I would entertain the thought of producing some kits again. I must say that it is a tedious process making the wiring loom. I've spent countless hours sitting at the table, cutting, stripping, and soldering wires.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Staylo on February 21, 2018, 04:26:30 pm
If there was enough interest I would entertain the thought of producing some kits again. I must say that it is a tedious process making the wiring loom. I've spent countless hours sitting at the table, cutting, stripping, and soldering wires.
I have the horns now, but I’d be interested in a bracket and loom.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: 4Bikes on February 21, 2018, 05:24:24 pm
If there was enough interest I would entertain the thought of producing some kits again. I must say that it is a tedious process making the wiring loom. I've spent countless hours sitting at the table, cutting, stripping, and soldering wires.
I have the horns now, but I’d be interested in a bracket and loom.

I have the Stebel and agree that's its a PIAA to install.  I separated the plastic horn unit from the air compressor extended it the original horn location with a piece of hose.  I rode in heavy rain one time, and the horn unit filled with water and it sounded like it had a chest cold and never recovered.  So I bought another one just for the horn piece and mounted it so it had less chance of catching water.

All that said, Nicole, if you are making your honkers again, I would buy them.  :beerchug:
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: AmphibSailor on February 27, 2018, 09:43:33 am
If there was enough interest I would entertain the thought of producing some kits again. I must say that it is a tedious process making the wiring loom. I've spent countless hours sitting at the table, cutting, stripping, and soldering wires.
I have the horns now, but I’d be interested in a bracket and loom.

Ditto here.  If you decide to sell the bracket/loom parts separately, I'm also interested.  (Or the bracket, only?)
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: ghostrider990 on February 27, 2018, 01:26:00 pm
Making my own wiring/relay harness was tedious.  I can't imagine doing a whole slew of them.  :truce:

So worth it in the end though.

now I need some PIAA horns.  :beerchug:
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: TallRider on March 09, 2018, 06:24:20 pm
Count me in.  I'd buy one.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Road Runner on March 10, 2018, 12:57:37 am
If there was enough interest I would entertain the thought of producing some kits again. I must say that it is a tedious process making the wiring loom. I've spent countless hours sitting at the table, cutting, stripping, and soldering wires.

Count me in, if you're beginning to tally numbers on who's interested. Thx
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Fork on March 10, 2018, 04:28:19 pm
If there was enough interest I would entertain the thought of producing some kits again. I must say that it is a tedious process making the wiring loom. I've spent countless hours sitting at the table, cutting, stripping, and soldering wires.

Count me in too. I have been waiting for you to make them available again since I first heard of them in this forum

Fork
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Jeremy on March 13, 2018, 12:52:25 pm
Stalow or anyone else who is running the PIAA. Which Freq horn did you put on the bike? the 500 or the 600?
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on March 13, 2018, 01:31:27 pm
Jeremy, to get optimum sound levels you need 2 horns with 2 different frequencies.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Staylo on March 13, 2018, 03:41:36 pm
Stalow or anyone else who is running the PIAA. Which Freq horn did you put on the bike? the 500 or the 600?
I agree with Connie_rider that two is optimal, but until I can get a harness and bracket together the one louder horn is better than the stock horn. I’m thinking of running the 600 because it sounds closer to my ear to stock. Not very scientific.  ;)
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Wolverine on May 30, 2018, 12:54:19 am
So...

I also purchased these horns (got them today)

https://www.amazon.com/85112-115db-500HZ-600HZ-Sports/dp/B00079V5ZI/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&p%3Bsc=1&pldnSite=1&ref_=ya_aw_od_pi (https://www.amazon.com/85112-115db-500HZ-600HZ-Sports/dp/B00079V5ZI/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&p%3Bsc=1&pldnSite=1&ref_=ya_aw_od_pi)

My question is why do I need a relay? The documents that came with the horns showed how to install both horns in a situation that had 1 horn?


Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Deepsea on May 30, 2018, 05:51:42 am
Installing two in place of one is easy. Keeping the fuse from blowing?? What is the total amp draw of the two horns v the OEM horn? That will determine if you need a relay.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on May 30, 2018, 12:41:31 pm
No question about it. You will need a relay for the 2 Piaa's/other..
Just finished installing mine.

Lot of tinkering to build a bracket and get the horns to fit in the stock location. "But, do-able".
If Nicole sold just the bracket, it would be well worth buying!!
better yet; If she sells the bracket "and" the harness,,, do it!!!

By the way, I installed the Slim Line Piaa's.  {my bike is lowered and I need all the clearance I can get}
  {"And", because Nicole suggested them}..
https://www.amazon.com/85114-400Hz-500Hz-112db-Sports/dp/B004FXMGLY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1526229519&sr=8-2&keywords=piaa+horn (https://www.amazon.com/85114-400Hz-500Hz-112db-Sports/dp/B004FXMGLY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1526229519&sr=8-2&keywords=piaa+horn)

NOTE: I had the Fiam, Freeway Blasters on my bike previously.
             Almost as loud as the Piaa's, but (with my bike lowered) the fender would smack them when I hit a bump.
                   {$10 and ship if someone wants them}.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: ghostrider990 on May 30, 2018, 12:54:15 pm
i don't recall the exact specs, but you need a relay because the draw or load of two horns vs. the OEM (one) is technically more than the wiring and switch can handle.

You are in jeopardy of burning up the switch, wire, or both.

Also, with a higher draw on current, you may not be able to supply both horns with enough power to fully enrgize both horns, and as a result, merely be achieving the same dB output as a single horn would achieve.

zero sum game.  and worse than that, no benefit, and risk of melted components, or worst case - a fire.  :-[

make sense??

gr
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Wolverine on May 30, 2018, 01:03:38 pm
Slimeline!!! WHO KNEW!!!!  >:(
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on May 30, 2018, 01:07:07 pm
Slimeline!!! WHO KNEW!!!!  >:(

The master knew... "Nicole"...

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Wolverine on May 30, 2018, 02:18:06 pm
I found that I have a good place to mount the horns, I have frame sliders on this bike and I can use the bracket that they have under the cowling... so the mount is easy... My wiring harness with a relay won't be here until tomorrow  >:(
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on May 30, 2018, 03:52:08 pm
Where did you order a harness w/relay?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Wolverine on May 30, 2018, 04:05:00 pm
This is what I am "giving a shot"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XM107FC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XM107FC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)


Where did you order a harness w/relay?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on May 30, 2018, 04:09:19 pm
That looks pretty good and the price is outstanding..
Lengths may need adjusting, and the connectors that attach to the stock harness will need changing.

But, very do-able.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Wolverine on May 30, 2018, 04:11:06 pm
yeah that was my thought, I solder everything so should be good to go, taking the bike apart tonight or when the harness gets here tomorrow  >:(

That looks pretty good and the price is outstanding..
Lengths may need adjusting, and the connectors that attach to the stock harness will need changing.

But, very do-able.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on May 30, 2018, 04:18:12 pm
After you get it done, post here how the harness worked out.

Harbor Freight sells "Marine" grade heat shrink.
Has glue inside that melts and seals the joint.

Works great.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Wolverine on May 31, 2018, 01:23:32 am
OK, so the harness doesn't come until tomorrow... but  :)

I remember I had a light harness with relay for a LED light bar for my Polaris, 40amp relay and nicely covered wires. All I had to do was put new ends on the wires and do the routing, all good nice sound, very nice.



Horns were

PIAA 85112 115db 500HZ + 600HZ Sports Horn


I used this as a reference from Fred


(http://a4.pbase.com/o6/41/9841/1/128800500.TVvpY90R.HornRelay.JPG)


Here is where I mounted them

(http://forum.cog-online.org/accessories-c14/fiamm-freeway-blaster-horn-upgrade/?action=dlattach;attach=50136;image)

Appreciate the help from this site

Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Jorge on May 31, 2018, 01:35:21 am
Hi Rick,
Did the seller change the horns? they don't look like the ones in your photo.
I'm interested, I didn't think horns like these would fit in the OE spot. I took my deceased C10's double horn and installed them on my C14, and they are better than the stock, but not what I want.

Thanks!

Jorge
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Wolverine on May 31, 2018, 01:45:52 am
the photo above that shows where the horns are mounted are not mine, they were from another post I used it to show where mine are mounted

Hi Rick,
Did the seller change the horns? they don't look like the ones in your photo.
I'm interested, I didn't think horns like these would fit in the OE spot. I took my deceased C10's double horn and installed them on my C14, and they are better than the stock, but not what I want.

Thanks!

Jorge
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Wolverine on May 31, 2018, 03:37:23 pm
Quick update.

The wiring harness I bought on Amazon came today, though I am not using it because I found one I had, it looks like it would have worked great, other than changing out the connectors on some wires.


iJDMTOY (1) 12V Horn Wiring Harness Relay Kit

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XM107FC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&p&sc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XM107FC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&p&sc=1)
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Sailor_chic on June 01, 2018, 01:42:39 pm
Slimeline!!! WHO KNEW!!!!  >:(

The master knew... "Nicole"...

Ride safe, Ted

Ted, You are too kind. Thank you  ;)
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Wolverine on June 01, 2018, 02:23:07 pm
Dang it... I had to order the slimlines today, Amazon will take my other ones back....  :-[



By the way, I installed the Slim Line Piaa's.  {my bike is lowered and I need all the clearance I can get}
  {"And", because Nicole suggested them}..
https://www.amazon.com/85114-400Hz-500Hz-112db-Sports/dp/B004FXMGLY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1526229519&sr=8-2&keywords=piaa+horn (https://www.amazon.com/85114-400Hz-500Hz-112db-Sports/dp/B004FXMGLY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1526229519&sr=8-2&keywords=piaa+horn)

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Wolverine on June 01, 2018, 02:24:32 pm
follow up.

The Slimlines ar 400/500 vs. the full size of 500/600

anyone hear the difference? I like how this 500/600 sounds I can only assume the 400/500 would give me more base  :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: EZ on June 01, 2018, 04:58:07 pm
If there was enough interest I would entertain the thought of producing some kits again. I must say that it is a tedious process making the wiring loom. I've spent countless hours sitting at the table, cutting, stripping, and soldering wires.

Missed the boat once (see what I did there) won't happen again.  I'm in as well...
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: ron203 on June 01, 2018, 08:53:51 pm
Ted's horns

(http://forum.cog-online.org/MGalleryItem.php?id=1960)
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: ron203 on June 01, 2018, 08:55:14 pm
Ted's other horn pic

(http://forum.cog-online.org/MGalleryItem.php?id=1961)
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on June 01, 2018, 09:14:43 pm
Thanx Ron.
Above is how I mounted my slim line horns.
I think the location is similar to Nicole's.
Location on my is extra critical as the front of the bike was lowered.
Hope it helps.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Sailor_chic on June 02, 2018, 02:20:15 pm
If there was enough interest I would entertain the thought of producing some kits again. I must say that it is a tedious process making the wiring loom. I've spent countless hours sitting at the table, cutting, stripping, and soldering wires.

Missed the boat once (see what I did there) won't happen again.  I'm in as well...

Cute!
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: GrantE on June 02, 2018, 04:23:26 pm
Thanx Ron.
Above is how I mounted my slim line horns.
I think the location is similar to Nicole's.
Location on my is extra critical as the front of the bike was lowered.
Hope it helps.

Ride safe, Ted

Nice work Ted looks great!
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Sailor_chic on June 03, 2018, 05:19:22 pm
Ted's horns

([url]http://forum.cog-online.org/MGalleryItem.php?id=1960[/url])


Ted, From this picture, it looks like the horns are pointed forward. If so, aren't you concerned about water entering into the horn assembly?
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 03, 2018, 06:55:01 pm
Ted's horns

([url]http://forum.cog-online.org/MGalleryItem.php?id=1960[/url])


Ted, From this picture, it looks like the horns are pointed forward. If so, aren't you concerned about water entering into the horn assembly?


 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
You and I think the same Nicole... :great:
Now you will make Ted get all red faced, and when he's done kicking driveway gravel, and cools off, he will have to come back and save face by saying:

It never rains when I ride..
I did it on purpose, because they are louder that way.
Its called forced air cooling, so my horns stay cooler that way...
My bike is soo fast, I need that increased drag scoop effect to slow down...
I plumbed mini hoses from them, up and into my ram air ducts, increasing my horsepower by .018%....
Jeepers Nicole, your picking on me...
What the...doh....I didn't do that....

Ok, ya got me... now I have to spend 6 hours reversing them.... >:(

Or some such combination of the above comments.... :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :nananana: :nananana:

Good catch girl, I was just about to ask the same question, but ya beat me to it..... ;)
Ride safe,

Ted.... get to work.... >:D
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Sailor_chic on June 03, 2018, 07:49:02 pm
Rich, your response was great. You definitely made me laugh.

I caught this as I had spent a lot of time with fitting the horns properly when I made my horn kits, and water was a concern for me.

Ted might not ride in the rain, but I am sure he will trailer it in the rain.

Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 03, 2018, 08:56:58 pm
Rich, your response was great. You definitely made me laugh.

I caught this as I had spent a lot of time with fitting the horns properly when I made my horn kits, and water was a concern for me.

Ted might not ride in the rain, but I am sure he will trailer it in the rain.

 :))

Oh, how cruel we are.... we are soooo bad....... :rotflmao:
Its a good thing we all like each other,  :beerchug:
I did toss that up because I knew it would make you chuckle.... :D
Hope your feeling better, and can get some riding in
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on June 04, 2018, 01:40:27 am
The electrical part of the horn is on top, not in the back...
I've mounted horns in this manner/pointing forward {on multiple bikes} for years.
         Never had a water problem.. "NEVER"...
When trailering, the truck blocks the water from the horns, and I seldom blow them when trailering..
When riding, I go so fast that nothing hits them but water "vapor".. {ok, so it's a small lie}

"AND": It IS louder if you point the horn's towards the front...


"But", I admit it, I did have to move the horns.  :truce:
  At full lock, the *&^% wire touched the radiator cover and shorted the wire.
  Horns now point 45* from straight forward.
    NOTE: To make you happy, I drilled small hole in the back/bottom of each horn...
               Are ya happy now?

Ride safe, Ted

PS:    :P
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 04, 2018, 05:19:45 pm
 :bravo_2: :wee_hee: :1rij: :85: :57: :s_laugh: :29: :TPIWWP: :bravo_2:
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Gscott on June 05, 2018, 12:19:16 pm
I used the Denali soundbomd mini electromagnetic horn 5 amp draw and 113 decibels claimed, just plug and play.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Wolverine on June 07, 2018, 05:08:50 pm
Just an FYI, I installed the Slimline 400/500

I love the sound of those compared to the 500/600

Sound like a truck now :)

follow up.

The Slimlines ar 400/500 vs. the full size of 500/600

anyone hear the difference? I like how this 500/600 sounds I can only assume the 400/500 would give me more base  :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: FTB530 on June 07, 2018, 05:20:35 pm
I used the Denali soundbomd mini electromagnetic horn 5 amp draw and 113 decibels claimed, just plug and play.
Do you have a link to those?
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on June 07, 2018, 05:33:32 pm
Here is 1 on Ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DENALI-SoundBomb-Mini-Electromagnetic-Low-Tone-Motorcycle-Horn/273230579995?epid=556618624&hash=item3f9dcfc91b:g:frUAAOSwiMRbFopb&vxp=mtr (https://www.ebay.com/itm/DENALI-SoundBomb-Mini-Electromagnetic-Low-Tone-Motorcycle-Horn/273230579995?epid=556618624&hash=item3f9dcfc91b:g:frUAAOSwiMRbFopb&vxp=mtr)

  I'm not knocking what he installed. His choice will "definitely" sound better than the stock.
    What is missing is that he installed 1 horn.
     Any of the horns that have been mentioned in the discussions will be ok if you only use 1.
  2 horns {with 2 different frequencies} are more distinct/louder,,  and 2 horns require the addition of a relay.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Gscott on June 08, 2018, 11:35:50 am
The link Ted put is the one I got. Got mine from Revzilla same price,  they have a warehouse in Vegas, FTB since you are in the SW also order from them and will probably have the next day, I have done this more than once with them.
The reason I went this way is I hate electrical wiring! 
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on June 08, 2018, 12:18:33 pm
I hear ya GS!
My biggest gripe is getting the horns to fit in the tight area above the fender.
I got mine to fit, but thinking I'll move mine to another location after the National.

To those interested in wiring in a relay, Wolverine found this.
Seems like an EZ way to add a relay.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XM107FC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XM107FC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Wolverine on June 08, 2018, 12:29:24 pm
I used two slimline PIAA.. yesterday I bolted them side by side and then mounted them in the location you see, not as loud if I had them outside the fairing but very loud...




Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Donnthegr8 on June 12, 2018, 02:58:31 pm
Hello! I bought a set of your horns (Honkers) back in 16’ and I would love to buy another pair if you do in fact produce more.
I absolutely love mine and I want a pair for my brothers C14, he has massive horn envy😎
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: FTB530 on June 12, 2018, 07:41:58 pm
The link Ted put is the one I got. Got mine from Revzilla same price,  they have a warehouse in Vegas, FTB since you are in the SW also order from them and will probably have the next day, I have done this more than once with them.
The reason I went this way is I hate electrical wiring!

Me too! I have a set of horns and wiring harness, it’s been in my cabinet for a few months!
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Cali Cruiser on June 13, 2018, 02:15:09 am
Same here- for about a year.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on June 18, 2018, 05:09:57 pm
Just got home from the COG National in Kerrville.
While there, I put on the C-14 discussion and showed them how loud the Piaa's were.
   I think everyone was impressed by my new Honkers...    :sign0137:

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Hosspower on June 18, 2018, 08:02:56 pm
The PIAA slims are really loud. I installed mine on Saturday inside the left fairing and I can say I am happy to have a helmet over my head when they go off. I can only imagine how loud the Stebel type horns must be.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Sailor_chic on June 19, 2018, 01:10:03 pm
The Piaa's are louder than a Stebel.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Donnthegr8 on July 26, 2018, 05:01:39 am
Any chance of another production run of your horns Nicole???
Pretty please??
We just can’t get enough of your honkers!
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: ghostrider990 on July 26, 2018, 11:51:41 am
I'm think I'm going to swap-out the FIAM's I installed for the slimline PIAAs next time I have the fairing off.

Ive commented on this a few times before, but the PIAAs sound way too much like an american car horn (think Gm/Dodge/Ford) and it just doesn't sound right on a Japanese bike.

Louder than stock - HELL yes - but just not the sound I was looking for, and I wish I knew that before I bought 'em.  Airhorn types like Denalis take up too much room and draw too much power for my liking.

Be warned about the FIAMMs.  Cheaper yes - but not quite as "appealing".  :(

gr
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Sailor_chic on July 26, 2018, 01:20:18 pm
GR, I have said the same thing about the horn sounds also. I want someone to think that there is a 1975 buick coming at them when they hear the honk!
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Wingedspirit on July 26, 2018, 09:35:04 pm
Put a Stebel on mine. Think Ferrari 308  :)
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Road Runner on July 28, 2018, 05:51:45 pm
Put a Stebel on mine. Think Ferrari 308  :)

I need to change my Stebel's out. They can't be heard above approx. 40 mph.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Donnthegr8 on July 28, 2018, 08:32:42 pm
Cough.... ummmmm, Nicole?
Would you build and sell us some more horns???
😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Road Runner on July 28, 2018, 09:00:38 pm
Cough.... ummmmm, Nicole?
Would you build and sell us some more horns???
😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇

+1  :great:
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Sailor_chic on July 29, 2018, 06:15:18 pm
Cough.... ummmmm, Nicole?
Would you build and sell us some more horns???
😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇

I am starting to think about making some again. It will be a while before I can do anything more physical than my TV remote or computer mouse.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Donnthegr8 on July 29, 2018, 09:19:57 pm
So your sayin there’s a chance............
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: ghostrider990 on July 30, 2018, 12:13:37 pm
after making my own custom relay harness from scratch, I TOTALLY get why Nicole only does this once a year.  :-X

Total PITA to fabricate each one by hand. 

Be aware you guys are getting a good deal on these for the amount of labor that she puts into each one of these kits, let alone the custom metal brackets!!  :-\

gr
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Donnthegr8 on July 30, 2018, 01:36:36 pm
Our love of Nicole’s honkers knows no bounds.....
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Sailor_chic on July 30, 2018, 02:34:28 pm
after making my own custom relay harness from scratch, I TOTALLY get why Nicole only does this once a year.  :-X

Total PITA to fabricate each one by hand. 

Be aware you guys are getting a good deal on these for the amount of labor that she puts into each one of these kits, let alone the custom metal brackets!!  :-\

gr

You said a lot there. These wire harnesses are very time consuming. There is a lot of soldering involved.

After I am all healed up, I just might make another 25 sets. I have to check and see if I still have my contact information for purchasing.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Staylo on July 30, 2018, 05:23:25 pm
You said a lot there. These wire harnesses are very time consuming. There is a lot of soldering involved.

After I am all healed up, I just might make another 25 sets. I have to check and see if I still have my contact information for purchasing.
If possible, I’d be in for a harness and bracket. I already have the horns but need a good way to mount and wire them.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: ghostrider990 on July 31, 2018, 10:22:13 am
Anybody wanna buy a "gently" used set of FIAMs???

only honked once a week, and twice on the weekends.  :rotflmao:

gr
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Shawn on July 31, 2018, 01:32:03 pm
after making my own custom relay harness from scratch, I TOTALLY get why Nicole only does this once a year.  :-X

Total PITA to fabricate each one by hand. 

Be aware you guys are getting a good deal on these for the amount of labor that she puts into each one of these kits, let alone the custom metal brackets!!  :-\

gr

You said a lot there. These wire harnesses are very time consuming. There is a lot of soldering involved.

After I am all healed up, I just might make another 25 sets. I have to check and see if I still have my contact information for purchasing.

Hi Nicole, I hope you are on the mend and doing well.  After 35K on Connie now, I'm realizing the importance of 'letting someone know you're there'.  I'm embarrassed to say I'm still on the OEM horn.  I'm kicking myself for not getting a kit from you back when we first met.  I'm in for the whole shebang if you decide to get back into production.  I wouldn't have to ride far to get one. :)
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: BigRedNewf on July 31, 2018, 03:07:12 pm
Just picked up a '13 Concours in need of louder horns. I'd be in for a set Nicole if & when your up for it.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on July 31, 2018, 03:20:37 pm
Staylo, here is a harness that can be easily modified to fit the C-14.
  (ie; Shorten the wires and add connectors as needed)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XM107FC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&p&sc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XM107FC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&p&sc=1)

On my bike, I used the stock bracket and attached the new horns {Using their supplied mounts} using the hole, where the original horn was attached.

This is not as good ad Nicole's, but will work fine.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: ghostrider990 on August 05, 2018, 01:20:43 pm
Chatting with Nicole the other day, I realized something new:  there are more than a few versions of the PIAA horns out there.

Specifically - I'm pretty sure she uses the PIAA Slimline Euro Horns(400-500Hz) in her set due to the more compact size.
https://www.amazon.com/85114-400Hz-500Hz-112db-Sports/dp/B004FXMGLY/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1533478339&sr=1-1&keywords=piaa+slimline (https://www.amazon.com/85114-400Hz-500Hz-112db-Sports/dp/B004FXMGLY/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1533478339&sr=1-1&keywords=piaa+slimline)

After doing a bit more searching, I came to find out that PIAA also sells a "Sports Horn" set, that boasts a 500-600Hz output, but they are a bit bigger.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00079V5ZI/?coliid=IV2LUTPO4ZEIK&colid=63H2USBZIII2&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00079V5ZI/?coliid=IV2LUTPO4ZEIK&colid=63H2USBZIII2&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it)

db output for this set is slightly higher than the slimlines at 115db.


For MY application, and mounting location, I have some extra room to play with, so I will likely opt for the SPORTS horns, but all of you trying to utilize the OEM location, will likely need to stick with the Slimline Set.

Just FYI, since I didn't know that PIAA had more than one "Euro" Style horn set available.    :beerchug:

gr

Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Tim on August 11, 2018, 05:02:38 pm
Cough.... ummmmm, Nicole?
Would you build and sell us some more horns???
😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇

I am starting to think about making some again. It will be a while before I can do anything more physical than my TV remote or computer mouse.

I'd be interested on a "plug & play" horn upgrade myself.
I'll never understand why motorcycle manufactures put such pitiful horns on motorcycles.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: PeterL on September 09, 2018, 09:58:26 pm
[disengage cloaking device]

Greetings;

I've been through two C10's, and am happily racking up the miles on my '08 C14. Haven't had a lot to say recently, but I've always appreciated the contributions others have made to the community. Time I did a bit of that methinks...

My motto in life has always been "Anything worth doing is worth OVERdoing" Thus my constant battle to maintain standing as the owner of the most 'weaponised' Connie out there. (LED's, modulators, etc)  I may annoy the cagers, but they have to SEE me first to be annoyed, right? I win. At any rate- horns:

These are only a set of eBay cheapies, but the ARE fairly loud. Also fairly BIG, measuring about 4.7" in diameter. Mounting up inside the plastics didn't really work to my satisfaction, and I wanted to insure the LEAST possible chance of someone being able to pass a lie-detector examination with the phrase "But I didn't hear him your Honor". I decided to use two of the bolt locations already present on the fork legs for line guides. I replaced the two 6mm bolts with longer 6mm studs, then attached two 'rod coupler' units to these. All held with a couple drops of blue threadlock thank you. (Yes there are couplers made with a post at one end and a recess at the other. But out here in the sticks, I'm lucky if the clerk knows what 'metric' means.) The horns were then a simple "spin to install", and I made up a new harness to connect to the horn relay I already had in place.

And that was essentially that. Now anytime I want to alert/scare/induce-an-unscheduled-purchase-of-new-undergarments it's just a brush of the thumb away. And the locations insure that the sound goes EVERYWHERE!

Hoping that someone else may find this of use, thereby incrementally reducing my Karmic burden. Which was, truth be told, mostly incurred as a result of projects like this one. Hmmm...

Cheers all,

Peter L.
Cobb, CA
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Hexrays on November 15, 2018, 02:28:53 am
I purchased this pair of PIAA horns(mostly because it was the same price as a single horn), with the plan to only use one for now. I’m thinking I can just replace the stock horn with one of these units without needing to use a relay. At some point I would like to add the second horn, at which time I know I would need a relay. Am I correct that I can add a single horn without any changes to the wiring?  Thanks!

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00079V5ZI/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I just installed two PIAA Sports Horns in the stock location. I did not use a relay. The horns pull 2.7 amps each. Thought there was no need for a relay since the circuit is built for 10 amps. This is working fine for me so far.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on November 15, 2018, 02:25:05 pm
All the amperage is flowing thru the horn button contact.
Adding a relay will assure more amperage at the horns and protect your horn button.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Hexrays on November 15, 2018, 11:35:09 pm
All the amperage is flowing thru the horn button contact.
Adding a relay will assure more amperage at the horns and protect your horn button.

Ride safe, Ted
So you think this could be an issue Ted? 5.4 amps......
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: connie_rider on November 16, 2018, 03:53:27 pm
I honestly don't know the answer to that.
Just know that most go to a relay when adding 2 horns for this reason.

Hopefully, other (more knowledgeable) members will comment?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Rock on November 16, 2018, 05:59:04 pm
Best to have that relay. If you get into a real need-to-blow-the-horn for more than a couple seconds you could burn out the switch. That is what I was told when i installed my dual PIAAs a couple years ago. You want the relay, full power, "change-their-shorts" power! :)

Phil
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Hexrays on November 17, 2018, 04:58:17 pm
Best to have that relay. If you get into a real need-to-blow-the-horn for more than a couple seconds you could burn out the switch. That is what I was told when i installed my dual PIAAs a couple years ago. You want the relay, full power, "change-their-shorts" power! :)

Phil
:c017:
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: AwesomeDad on November 17, 2018, 10:45:13 pm
I installed the hella supertones.

JJ
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: JDSCO on November 18, 2018, 07:57:20 pm
I installed the hella supertones.

With the relay?
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: AwesomeDad on November 18, 2018, 08:00:10 pm
I installed the hella supertones.

With the relay?
It came with one I didn’t install it.

JJ
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: JDSCO on November 18, 2018, 11:04:11 pm
^^What do the Hellas pull for power?

The STEBEL HF80's, 340 & 430Hz from Murph's, clock in at 4.5amp each.
Holy Cow!
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Tundra on December 09, 2018, 10:15:03 am
I installed the hella supertones.

JJ


Thanks for posting (with pic) Much appreciated.

I see these do come with the relay, nice. Do they also come with the dual horn mounting bracket? Plug n play? I was searching online and the ones I found appear too large for motorcycle applications. Would you happen to have a model/ part number?

Thanks again
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: AwesomeDad on December 09, 2018, 02:32:47 pm
I installed the hella supertones.

JJ


Thanks for posting (with pic) Much appreciated.

I see these do come with the relay, nice. Do they also come with the dual horn mounting bracket? Plug n play? I was searching online and the ones I found appear too large for motorcycle applications. Would you happen to have a model/ part number?

Thanks again
Here ya go.
HELLA H31000001 Sharptone 12V High Tone/Low Tone Twin Horn Kit with Yellow Protective Grill, Includes Relay, 2 Horns https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00R3O0Y0M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_TutdCbKJZ6YWR (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00R3O0Y0M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_TutdCbKJZ6YWR)
And I used the bracket on the bike.

JJ
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Tundra on December 09, 2018, 02:57:38 pm
Perfect... :great:
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: Sailor_chic on December 10, 2018, 07:36:25 pm
I'm sort of confused why people seem to get scared about adding a relay for the horns. As mentioned earlier, the stock wiring on the C14 is a very thin gauge, and the switch isn't the strongest either. So, by adding a relay into a horn upgrade, you are running two 18 gauge wire back to the battery and bringing that full amperage directly to your horn, via the relay. The stock horn switch and wiring are hooked to the relay as well, but they are only used as a control, to activate the relay, which in turn, send the power from the battery to the horns. Plenty of power to work the horns as required, and zero harm to the petite wiring on the bike.
Title: Re: Horn upgrade
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on December 11, 2018, 06:00:51 pm
I'm sort of confused why people seem to get scared about adding a relay for the horns. As mentioned earlier, the stock wiring on the C14 is a very thin gauge, and the switch isn't the strongest either. So, by adding a relay into a horn upgrade, you are running two 18 gauge wire back to the battery and bringing that full amperage directly to your horn, via the relay. The stock horn switch and wiring are hooked to the relay as well, but they are only used as a control, to activate the relay, which in turn, send the power from the battery to the horns. Plenty of power to work the horns as required, and zero harm to the petite wiring on the bike.

 :great: :great: :great:
I totally agree with you, I would run at least 16awg for the power wires from source to relay, and also from relay to horns, heavier the wire, the more reliable the horn....

the puny wires on this bike can handle the low current from the button to actuate the relay, but I would never try to use them for "power"...

I also found it strange, when I was wiring up my trailer hitch and aux lighting, that the power wires for the rear signals, and brakes were even punier, like 20awg, and on top of that, they were aluminum wire... what a pain, couldn't even make a decent solder joint back there, and had to use IDC connectors, and double up the wire using those even...
 >:( >:( :-[