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Title: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: Jhinderliter on March 24, 2018, 07:01:48 pm
Looking to upgrade .. been running a scala teamset for my pillion and I for awhile ...

Looking for good intercoms with a vox that doesn’t come on every time I go over 85 and something that will pipe tunes from the same source to both of us...

What are you guys running 2 up ?

Thanks 👍🏿
Title: Re: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: Phil on March 24, 2018, 07:41:31 pm
I would go with Sena. They have different models now. I am still using the SMH10. I have had my unit for six or seven years, and bought my wife one shortly after we got married five years ago. They work great.
Title: Re: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: Jhinderliter on March 24, 2018, 08:52:01 pm
You pipe tunes to her ?
Title: Re: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: cyberswine on March 24, 2018, 09:24:10 pm
Everyone's mileage will likely vary.  I had poor results from Senna, now using the Packtalk and it seems to do everything well.  Variable sensitivity on the VOX.  Should add for any other pactalk users that there is a new operating system upgrade and app just come out that simplify things considerably.  Haven't been able to fully test the new setup yet but looks good.
Title: Re: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: JPD on March 24, 2018, 09:43:41 pm
Yes the SMH10 will play music from one source to both people. I have also used it with 3 way intercom up to about 1/4 mile with my son. Ours are also 5 of 6 years old. The new ones might do even better. The only complaint I have is the long delay when you switch from music to intercom.
Title: Re: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: ghostrider990 on March 25, 2018, 12:12:56 pm
I have a 20 set, and yes - it pipes tunes to BOTH of us quite well.

I have several complaints with Sena's interfacing and design - but suffice it to say - if you keep it simple, the tunes will flow through both headsets and you can have person to person communications that are very clear and convenient.

I wear earplugs with speakers mounted in both helmets, and music can get a little muffled at highway speeds.  This is where Sena's AD2p protocol(weak) starts to come into play, and also the amplification and efficiency of the included speakers.  It needs to be able to produce about 10-20 more db's.
Speaker placement has alot to do with this, but generally, the system works pretty well to provide what you need.

I don't use the BOOM mics that are included with the kit - instead I use the smaller wired ones that I velcro directly in front of the mouth on our full face helmets, and they work VERY well there.
I've had phone calls while riding, and the person on the other end said it sounded better than the bluetooth mic in my car!!
That's impressive.

Battery life is Superb, and I can get up to 10-12 hours of continuous operation on a given day from both units.  Recharging is simple, and takes about 2-3 hours from empty to full.

As quirky and finicky as these sets can be, they still represent very good technology.  My pillion remarks EVERY TIME we ride, how much more entertaining riding is, with music AND rider to rider communications.
I have to agree.  It was well worth the cost of investment.

Get yourself a set of GOOD helmets too.  :beerchug:

Because I had SO MANY issues with the units when I purchased the 20s set brand new, and when it was JUST released in 2014, I'd have to recommend staying away from the 30s.  Do some research -- reviews are starting to come in about the 30s, and they're mixed.

The software is CONSTANTLY being updated on these (via USB updates and PC interface) which is Good AND Bad, but I've had several warranty claims on the units I purchased, which were handled promptly and without question.  They're been rock solid the past two years, and I hope they stay that way.
Title: Re: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: SVonhof on April 01, 2018, 12:11:34 am
I have the Sena SMH10's for my wife and I and have had very few issues.

A buddy of mine (fellow Connie rider) and he and his son tried several different versions of comm units and all of them had major issues. He finally tried the Sena's and has been happy with them.

I have only tried the Sena's and no others, but they seem to be the best from what I have heard from others. I have not updated the firmware for a few years now, but I don't use all the newer features anyway.
Title: Re: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: antibus on April 01, 2018, 09:22:08 pm
I have been using a Motochello for the past 50k. It is powered by the bike so no dead batteries or charging at a campsite and the sound is superb. Clear communications from rider to passenger, both can listen to music, gps prompts, communicate to other riders via 2 way radio and it also works well with earbuds. This has been the best comms I have ever had on a motorcycle.
Title: Re: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: Grant on April 01, 2018, 11:16:49 pm
I got the Sena 20 a couple weeks ago get the speaker placement right and sound quality is incredible. I have yet to use intercom as the wife doesn't ride and I have yet to ride with anyone who has a helmet Bluetooth. The phone works great the wife says it is more clear than when I am on just my phone. I can't give any comparison as this is the first helmet Bluetooth I have owned but it is better than I imagined.
Title: Re: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: Colt45 on April 02, 2018, 05:51:59 pm
I have a Starcom1.  My GPS plays MP3s.  The GPS voice and music goes to each rider.  My Valentine 1 also has an input.  The system has vox, but I prefer a left grip PTT. 
Title: Re: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: Daytona_Mike on April 04, 2018, 02:50:54 pm
PackTalk by Scala (Cardo) is by far light years ahead of anything else currently  on the market. It has optional android and IOS apps  you configure and control it.( pick radio stations-upgrade code-configure groups)
This new mesh technology PackTalk uses is superior than any current  or   previous  bluetooth technology PLUS it also has bluetooth for secondary communication connections (Cell phones- GPS- non PacTalk users).
I have several friends that we ride offroad/dirtbikes/ quads with and we get quite far apart (as in miles and miles) and still we can communicate with the PackTalks where as when we had bluetooth (Sena20's) we always lost communication.
So far they are rock solid- turn on and they are paired
Title: Re: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: roy826 on April 04, 2018, 03:02:46 pm
I use a J&M BT-03 unit but I don't have a passenger so can't speak for how good it works like that. It is bluetooth to my phone and works good for calls, text and music. Works better than the operator.
Title: Re: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: Dragunslayer on April 15, 2018, 03:48:14 am
I would go with Sena. They have different models now. I am still using the SMH10. I have had my unit for six or seven years, and bought my wife one shortly after we got married five years ago. They work great.

I will second the Senas, my wife and I use the Sena 20 I believe. I can share music ect and it works better than the Scalariders in every way except distance from bike to bike.
Title: Re: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: JDSCO on April 15, 2018, 02:54:42 pm
PackTalk by Scala (Cardo) is by far light years ahead of anything else currently  on the market.
So far they are rock solid- turn on and they are paired

I have 2 SCALa G4's from 2010, 3 helmets and 2 bikes
Quality and technology improved greatly since 2010
Original batteries in both and these G4's have had the crap beat out of 'em, road and dirt riding
They still work well
My biggest dislike is the SCALA, hold the button down for 3 seconds to-do-anything, safety feature
It's intended design was to influence you to stop your bike first, before selecting another SCALA feature
It's a PItA

Does SCALA PackTalk retain this button behavior?
Title: Re: Intercoms and tunes
Post by: cyberswine on April 16, 2018, 10:01:05 pm
Does SCALA PackTalk retain this button behavior?

No, all is immediate and as far as I can tell so far, darn near foolproof.  Still waiting for the weather to try out the new firmware.  :??: