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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2014, 12:47:13 pm »
Nice looking screen, would love to see it in person
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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2014, 12:52:57 pm »
How much weight are you putting on the windshield mechanism?

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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2014, 04:49:36 pm »
How much weight are you putting on the windshield mechanism?

I must admit, everytime I see a bike with a larger-than-stock windshield this is the first thing that runs thru my mind, yet I have never seen that question asked.

Static Weight Comparison:
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Stock 2010 Windshield = 3 Pounds, 7.7 Ounces

C14 SportScreen = 1 Pound, 2.8 Ounces

So 56 Ounces (stock) vs 19 Ounces (C14SS) for a static weight reduction of about 65% using our screen.

And while I don't (yet) have any hard data to show the reduction of forces or drag - at speed, I suspect the reduction there is going to be at least as great in terms of percentages, if not greater.

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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2014, 04:55:37 pm »
Been getting some questions in regards to the basic differences to a stock screen. Here is a side-by-side shot of the C14 SportScreen and a 2010 Stock Screen showing height and angle differences.

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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2014, 05:02:46 pm »
How much weight are you putting on the windshield mechanism?

I must admit, everytime I see a bike with a larger-than-stock windshield this is the first thing that runs thru my mind, yet I have never seen that question asked.

Static Weight Comparison:
(Weights measured on a postal scale)

Stock 2010 Windshield = 3 Pounds, 7.7 Ounces

C14 SportScreen = 1 Pound, 2.8 Ounces

So 56 Ounces (stock) vs 19 Ounces (C14SS) for a static weight reduction of about 65% using our screen.

And while I don't (yet) have any hard data to show the reduction of forces or drag - at speed, I suspect the reduction there is going to be at least as great in terms of percentages, if not greater.

Patrick
Patrick, I must say I'm impressed. I would have thought your hand-layed fiberglas piece would have weighed more than a piece of clear plastic.
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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2014, 05:09:56 pm »
Gary,

   Thanks. When I designed this screen, weight reduction was as high a priority as the wind flow and looks.  :beerchug:

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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2014, 05:35:51 pm »
Have you got access to an MRA Xcreen extension ( http://www.twistedthrottle.com/mra-x-creen-add-on-variable-windscreen-spoiler-blade-bolt-on ) to see how that combination might work?

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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2014, 05:59:17 pm »
I ride in an area that is cool/cold in the morning and warm/hot by noon. Does the shield provide wind protection/buffeting in the up position?
Maybe interested in a group buy.

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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2014, 08:29:42 pm »
I ride in an area that is cool/cold in the morning and warm/hot by noon. Does the shield provide wind protection/buffeting in the up position?
Maybe interested in a group buy.

In the up position, the C14 sportscreen has about the same vertical protection as the stock screen in the down position. I would say not quite as much protection but it does provide a little extra. I got caught out in the cold (45 degree's) and found that the up position was a welcome bit of protection to have.

But just to be clear this is a screen meant to be in warm weather. I still have my tall screen for any long rides below 50 or so where I might be on the bike for extended periods.

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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2014, 01:08:24 am »
So, I'm one of the lucky few who got to test this product with my Connie and the difference in temp., noise and movement is totally worth every cent.  Copperdawg products have a better paint finish than factory.  These guys really spend an awful lot of time in the details to make sure their product is perfect.  It's hard to imagine that it's not factory made.  Pictures almost don't do the screen justice.  It looks MUCH better in person.   :great:
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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2014, 01:11:58 am »
can we do a group buy?? I so want one!! Also how long does it take to get HOME when ordered?

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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2014, 01:16:16 am »
Just got a PM from a member about a sort of deal for COG members and while some have been talking about a “group deal” no one has asked or said anything to me directly until this PM so I thought I would make a post. 

I hope you all can understand where I am coming from. These pieces are labor intensive to make and not only that but the materials cost is astronomical and the cost of the labor is very high too. But this is what it costs to make a piece that is worth having on such a wonderful bike as the C14.

We work very hard to trim the fat and make these items competitive price-wise to similar parts that come from the place that can make them cheapest – the OEM. When I made the intro price on my website, that price was meant for this group, the COG. I left almost nothing on the table to do a deal on top of a deal. I am not a retailer with high markup and very little back end costs that allow me room for more discounts.

I’ve never been involved with a “Group Buy” either as a manufacturer or a consumer, but the ones I have seen is where a manufacturer or retailer deals with one person for a large number of same type items, drops the price for the convenience of stuffing everything in one box, ships to a single location and once the deal is done that’s it. And typically the guy that headed up this endeavor is stuck with all the headaches of making sure everyone gets their part and everything goes smooth. This may work with mass produced items but in this case I don’t think that would work.

COG MEMBERS ONLY OFFER COMING :great:

So instead of a group buy, how about this, I’ll talk to the boss and see if I can come up with something specifically for the COG and make a post in the “Industry Member COG Offerings” thread tomorrow and do the best deal I can. And that’s all I can do.

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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2014, 01:30:52 am »
I think that's more than fair, considering the already decent price.  What kind of realistic turn-around time is one looking at per order?  I imagine you can match paint for specific year/color bikes?
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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2014, 01:44:34 am »
can we do a group buy?? I so want one!! Also how long does it take to get HOME when ordered?

I posted above in regards to the first part of your question but as for turn around time, this is dependant upon the time of year and a few other factors. Right now it is just about two weeks. But when spring hits it can grow to about four weeks or more. 

Also for anyone with specific questions you can always email me at patrick@copperdawg.com I tend to check that more than I do the PMs or posts here. Thanks.

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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2014, 01:59:25 am »
PM sent and anxiously waiting.......... :beerchug:

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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2014, 02:30:36 am »
Been getting some questions in regards to the basic differences to a stock screen. Here is a side-by-side shot of the C14 SportScreen and a 2010 Stock Screen showing height and angle differences.

Patrick




That's a great pic Pat, thanks!  :great:

Do you by chance have the measurement using this same equation when your windscreen is in the full up position?  ???


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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2014, 02:42:00 am »
Jay, I dont have that picture but I can get a measurment for you.

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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2014, 03:35:21 am »
Jay, I dont have that picture but I can get a measurment for you.

That would be great, thanks Pat!  :beerchug:


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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2014, 12:32:58 pm »
Your website has been bookmarked for now...

i can see myself buying this when the summer hits here in Wash DC. 

I continuously am looking for things that push the Sport side of my sport-touring c14, and this definately does it.
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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2014, 12:51:10 pm »
Hot Weather? What's that?
Do you have one with built in scuba tanks and regulator?  :rotflmao:
It's rained so much here in the last 2 months that I am considering fitting floats and paddles to my bike.
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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2014, 02:10:19 am »
The other post in  “Industry Member COG Offerings” is up as promised.

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,49145.0.html

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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2014, 02:37:07 am »
That's not really a COG offering.  It's a "first three" offering. The idea of a COG discount is for all COG members.

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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2014, 04:44:53 pm »
That thing is awesome!  Awesome page and an excellent video too!  I'm planning to buy a C14 this spring, the factory screen and lack of airflow provided by it in warmer-hot weather is a concern for me.  This is the ticket!  I don't think the price is out of line for what you're getting in terms of the work involved to build.  Doing glasswork, prep, paint, clear, the bubble and hardware... But a single piece in clear or smoke (if possible) would be an awesome alternative.

Really though, that is a sick piece!  Congrats to you guys!
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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2014, 01:13:39 am »
I see your other windscreens 1/2 and 3/4 the price of this one why the big difference ?
That's a lot of money for something I'm not sure I would like till I tried it.
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Re: Introduction and a New Hot Weather Windshield for C14
« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2014, 02:50:20 am »
I see your other windscreens 1/2 and 3/4 the price of this one why the big difference ?
That's a lot of money for something I'm not sure I would like till I tried it.

We don’t sell any screens at half the price of the C14 Sportscreen. Period. However the cost of some of the items we sell that have the word “screen” in their name do sell for less. But if one were to take a close look at what the differences are they would find plenty.

It is likely you are referring to our FZ1 “SpeedScreen” which is selling for about 75% of the cost of the C14 SportScreen. The C14 SportScreen has three times the molded parts, has twice the area in terms of materials used (paints, resins, cloth, etc.) but moreover takes twice as long to produce. By any estimation (in terms of manufacturing cost) it is twice the screen – not 25% more. It simply costs a lot more to make it - even though (to an undiscriminating eye) it may look similar. 

We realize that this C14 SportScreen is new and has no comparative item of its type in the stock or aftermarket world, in that; it replaces a relatively inexpensive item – a clear plastic windshield. As such, real comparisons cannot be made. However if one were to look into the aftermarket for companies that make similar items - factory paint matched custom pieces, I believe that you will find that not only are our parts fairly priced, their an incredible bargain