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Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« on: October 28, 2014, 02:47:41 pm »
If I can make arrangements, is anyone interested in buying an aftermarket muffler that is quitter than the ones that are currently available?

Explanation:
I recently purchased a used Area P Muffler from a fellow COGger .
I wanted to find something that looks better than the stock C-14 muffler.
One of the reasons I purchased the Area P is I understand that it is one of the quieter aftermarket mufflers.
I have not yet installed the muffler as I want to get some miles on the new bike before I change mufflers.....
NOTE: Just retired, recovering from knee surgery, bored; so I have too much free time..

Yesterday I contacted Area P and asked them if they offered a baffle etc to further quieten their muffler....
The Owner replied back that they do have a way to do this,,,  and already do so in Europe..
I won't go into the details right now about the differences from their current muffler, but it not just the addition of a simple baffle...
He told me he could modify one for about $75-95$ and/or might sell new Area P mufflers for slightly above list price "with" the quitter design.

My intention is to reply to him today for more discussion.
Before I do so, I'm interested in others thoughts.....

If this possibility works out, is anyone interested in buying an aftermarket muffler that is quitter than the ones that are currently available?

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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2014, 03:22:53 pm »
would it be more restrictive, or less restrictive than stock?

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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 03:23:32 pm »
I am interested.... its got to be very quiet though.
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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2014, 04:29:25 pm »
How will you ever save lives with quiet pipes?

Just kidding of course....

I hope I get to hear the quiet pipe when you get your hands on one. Consider making a vid comparison with another Connie fitted with one of the more popular pipes. The quiet-pipe bike could make heard some really cool intake and gear noises. The stock exhaust sounds great to me - the bike sounding very mechanical - but I run a Muzzy for plain looks and major weight reduction.




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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2014, 05:05:58 pm »
would it be more restrictive, or less restrictive than stock?

I am interested.... its got to be very quiet though

That is part of what we are discussing.
I told him I wasn't interested in Max HP "as much" as I was interested in more low/mid range torque.
I told him that folks want to get rid of the stock muffler, save weight, gain a little torque, but don't want LOUD...
He says he has several options/designs.

   To be quitter It would be more restrictive than a stock Area P Muffler.
   The quieter it is, the more restrictive. (So it probably can not be as quiet as a stock Connie muffler)
   I "assume" he could find a design in which;
                  the restriction is less than a stock muffler, (but more restrictive than a stock Area P),
                  the sound is louder than a stock Muffler, (but quieter than a stock Area P and most other aftermarket mufflers)

Your thoughts????   ???

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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2014, 05:18:04 pm »
Mind has a V&H CSOne on it now and no baffle.  I heard a 2Bro with a baffle and it was about half of mine, but still louder than stock.  I would not mind getting something else that is smaller and looks better than the stock muffler, but not if it's louder.

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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2014, 05:29:19 pm »
I wouldn't want to commit without a) knowing a price (or even an approximation)   b) seeing/hearing one (even if by video comparison)

I've been looking around at the aftermarket offerings, but they are all quite a bit louder that the stock muffler. I'm happy with the sound of my stocker, but would like something smaller/lighter...  but not louder.

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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2014, 05:40:14 pm »
Good points.

I'm trying to find an option that is quieter than either that you listed, but less restrictive than a stock muffler.
I don't think any (glass pack) style muffler can be as quiet as stock when the bike is under hard accell....

I saw a decibel chart of an aftermarket muffler that was the same sound level as stock at "5000" rpm... (cruising)
(I think that chart was either Area P, or a V & H. I'll try to find that chart)

If we can work this out, and if a person orders a new muffler (and specifies the mod at time of purchase)
The special version of his muffler would be a bit more $$ than a stock Area P Muffler. (Don't know exact $$ but approx. $75 more)
I think a stock polished Area P muffler is in the $400-450 range. (Someone else can get more specific)

Ride safe, Ted
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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2014, 06:03:38 pm »
Mind has a V&H CSOne on it now and no baffle.  I heard a 2Bro with a baffle and it was about half of mine, but still louder than stock.  I would not mind getting something else that is smaller and looks better than the stock muffler, but not if it's louder.

Sport rider...are you saying the two brothers is quieter than your V&H?

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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2014, 01:39:54 am »
Interesting, I considered the Area-P unit to be very acceptable.  You should try it before you move on.

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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2014, 01:54:18 am »
Yup,
I want to remove my new full Area P system and slow my bike WAYYYYY down and make it as quiet as an electric!  Maybe even have the top speed limiter set at 55!   NOT!!!!! :rotflmao:
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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2014, 02:09:51 am »
My stock pipe is obnoxiously quiet. :)

But I do get it. Too loud is too loud. For now, I can't justify the cost of a nice exhaust. Would certainly appreciate one that fit my ear though. Good luck with investigation.

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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2014, 02:55:51 am »
What about people who have cut down the stocker? Is it louder? Saves weight?

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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2014, 09:17:28 am »
It's been done a   l o n g time ago

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=two+brothers+power+tip&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=25178941315&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14691750424816251422&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_33mohmnaeu_b


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When I first put the used ZX14 / Two Brothers muffs on I was going to sell the two Brothers because they were way to loud for me , now Perfect :beerchug:
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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2014, 04:29:42 pm »
Yup,  I want to remove my new full Area P system and slow my bike WAYYYYY down and make it as quiet as an electric!  Maybe even have the top speed limiter set at 55!   NOT!!!!! :rotflmao:
Matt 

Nahh Matt, you don't want to do that. Your not old enough yet and you ride like your hair is on fire...   <sly grin>  :)

Many won't be interested in this; as it will produce less peak power (and less noise) than aftermarket mufflers that are designed for peak HP..
The quieter muffler idea; is intended for folks that; want something to replace the stock Connie Muffler without a lot of loud,
                                                                          are not after maximum HP...
 
You know,, Folks more like me.
            Older, slower, "WISER", and our hair is already burnt off....  ;)

Cuda, you have a point. I forgot about 2 brothers tips.
My hopes are that Area P can work out a muffler that is even quitter than a typical baffled muffler.
Their design does not have a baffle tip on the outlet.

This muffler will  have a special internal core/baffle to do the quietening.
It will not have a baffle like the 2 Brothers Tip...
I hope it will be less restrictive, and possibly offer improved torque over the stock or a outlet baffled muffler...

Please DO Keep those comments coming.
Kerry (President of Area P) has asked for access to this discussion and will be monitoring it to see what we are asking for.
If he has time he may answer a few questions for us...

I guess the main question is,, how many folks are interested in such a muffler? (Not planning to buy, just interested in the possibility)..
Trying to determine if it is worth his time to develop the unit?

Ride safe, Ted
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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2014, 05:10:56 pm »
 I'm interested, I've wanted a quiet, better looking pipe since day one.  I stuck with the stock pipe for 5 1/2 years only because I didn't want any noise. I bought a used CS1 off the forum last fall only after getting hit & banging up the stock one. Yes, it's to loud.

 If they produce it there's no doubt it will sell. Many more than will be reflected by this thread.

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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2014, 05:26:20 pm »
use an aftermarket exhaust with a  silencer plug  :great:
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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2014, 05:41:21 pm »
Thanks Just Cliff.
That is exactly the kind of feedback I need to hear.
Trying to determine if many others think the same...

Steve,, silencer plug? (Cork in the tailpipe)

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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2014, 05:42:17 pm »
What about people who have cut down the stocker? Is it louder? Saves weight?

That is what I have been running for over 4 years now. It is substantially quieter than all the aftermarket pipes, retains the quiet idle and freeway steady speed quiet slightly louder than un modded, but when you crank on it provides a very mellow tone, I do not like loud, and this mod worked for me.
It is basically diassembled from the rear, guts pulled out, 6" trimmed from the front end internal port blocker plate, which opens it to free flow, the rear of the can was cut to the original profile, and rewelded... looks like it should, but much shorter.

Just reporting it is a fairly easy fix, and free. I'll post a pic.

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soooo..
As for a quiet aftermarket, if they made one to equal what mine sounds like now, I might be interested... :great:
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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2014, 02:15:56 am »
MOB, no problem.
I like your idea.

Would you be interested in doing that (for $$) to other Members mufflers?

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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2014, 02:36:02 am »
Leo Vince. Quite with a great grunt. Only makes noise when ya go full throttle and then it's more of a Woof than a WAAH.
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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2014, 03:30:09 pm »
MOB, no problem.
I like your idea.

Would you be interested in doing that (for $$) to other Members mufflers?

Ride safe, Ted

I've considered it, maybe if I don't get a job soon I may offer that up.

I do apreciate your persuit on the aftermarket product tho, it does sound good, and would save some weight... no doubt there.
I just like the sound on mine, and it didn't cost me anything but a day in my shop.

Keep up tyghe good work. :great:

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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2014, 04:53:16 pm »
"MOB",, The only problem would be shipping.
With the mid pipe attached, the stocker would be a expensive beast to ship...

"Old Guy",,, you sed Leo Vince.    Whut's a Leo Vince?  ???

and,,,, <evil grin>  :offtopic:

"Old Guy",, you sed; Quite with a great grunt. Only makes noise when ya go full throttle and then it's more of a Woof than a WAAH.

Is that the same as "silent but deadly"?   (I was in the same restaurant as you, after you ate those beans!!)   :sign0137:

Back to Quieter Muffler discussion:
  I did some checking on; Weight savings for aftermarket;
     I weighed an Area P and a Yoshimira (with mid pipes) last night. Both were approx. 6 1/2 pounds. 
     I think a stocker is nearer to 40 pounds...

I also found out that the Decibel Chart I mentioned earlier,,, was an Area P Muffler. (same as stock at cruise at 5000 rpm's...)

Lastly: I got a note from Area P (Kerry) last night. He said that I had put some minor incorrect information on this discussion.
          SO, I went back and made corrections to my notes.   
            If you get a chance, (for clarity) go back and re-read my previous notes...

Ride safe, Ted
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Re: Is anyone interested in a quieter aftermarket muffler?
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2014, 11:50:12 pm »
Ted,
Actually the stocker weighs in at 20 lbs.  My Delk CF weighed in at 4.5, net weight savings of 15.5lbs!   
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