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LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« on: October 30, 2018, 11:16:48 pm »
I've been an avid PIAA Xtreme White Halogen H4 admirer for over a decade.
I'm not interested in external, add-on lighting and haven't been interested in LED's-in-halo reflector lighting, until now.
A friend has recommended that I demo the PATHFINDER 4000LM LED H4's, being that I'm a PIAA fan.
He claims that LED technology has come a long way for halogen-based reflectors since 2016.
The Pathfinder 4000LM has no external driver and no fan. It does have a cast-aluminum heat-sink.
It comes with the removable H4 base that mounts into the reflector housing and retained by the oem spring-retainer.
No modification to the rubber boot is required.
Install H4 base into the reflector followed by the rubber boot, followed by bulb, through the boot, into the base, and rotate 90deg. to lock and plug-in.
It's typical of other LED bulb installs but no external driver and, what appears to be, a modest heat-sink.
I've never heard of Pathfinder before. It's carried through WPS so it's been around for 2018, anyway.

$110 for two H4's

$145.00 mfr# kwledkt for two H4's and two T10 bulbs, all from Pathfinder. This "kit" has different H4's with external drivers.

Has anyone heard of Pathfinder?


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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2018, 12:45:52 am »



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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2018, 01:24:35 am »
Those always look impressive in pic's, for sure! Definitely white!

Are your H4 LED's the 4000LM's or the external drivers?
 
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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2018, 01:54:55 am »
Have them in my bike, another rider I know has them In his bike,they are very bright even in the day time!

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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2018, 02:06:20 am »
I just installed two H4 LED lamps in my C14 @ 12,000 lumens each bulb. (24,000 lumens total) Dam they are bright.. $32 for the pair.
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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2018, 04:08:55 pm »
H4's are shipped and due here Friday.
It just snowed 11" up here
SoCal MotoGear is the distributor for Pathfinder
I still have yet to be told, by SoCal, the performance difference between the H4 in the "kwledkt" kit and the individual 4000LM
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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2018, 04:46:03 pm »
One never had a problem with h4 led headlights. I’ve been running them for years in 6 bikes now. I think the eBay ones are way brighter then that and only $20. Stock bulbs are about 800 lumen. These days you can get 10,000 lumen or more with leds. I also run2 of  the 3 bulb led flood lights full time. Those will fail. Mainly because the wires corrode and break loose.

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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2018, 06:33:11 pm »
SoCal offered up these spec's

Pathfinder H4SFS, no external driver, 4000k lumen@6000k color and 2-3amp draw
Pathfinder kwledkt kit, external driver, 4000k@6000k color and 2-3amp draw

The Pathfinder H4SFS doesn't require stowing a driver

EBAY has dozens of H4 LED's for $3.00 each. EBAY Pathfinders are $50+. That's a huge spread!





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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2018, 07:03:33 pm »
If you look at various LED claims, the Lumen claims are all over the board.
Some of the claims are just so much BS...

To me; more important than brightness is light pattern and how well they illuminate the things beside and down the road.
             ie; Do things "stand out"..

For awhile, many were going to the Evitec LED's...
Haven't heard from them in a time.

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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2018, 07:07:25 pm »
Have them in my bike, another rider I know has them In his bike,they are very bright even in the day time!

That's what I'm hearing and that's what I'm after, for sure!
Day Bright!
How long have they been installed?
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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2018, 07:20:49 pm »
If you look at various LED claims, the Lumen claims are all over the board.
Some of the claims are just so much BS...

To me; more important than brightness is light pattern and how well they illuminate the things beside and down the road.
             ie; Do things stand out..

For awhile, many were going to the Evitec LED's...
Haven't heard from them in a time.

Ride safe, Ted

Oh I remember the COG Evitec thread a couple of years back. Can't even find Evitec LED's today.
Throwing that white light forward, past halogen territory, is still rare in LED-into-halogen reflectors.
It does need to be both, forward and sides, doesn't it?
Gotta hand it to HD for some impressive LED's on their cruisers.
Lots of them up here during the season and they are unmistakably bright.
$500 per sealed beam LED, bright. They are impressive.

I don't do nights because of deer and elk. I have enough problems with the daylight tourist.
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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2018, 08:22:14 pm »
I found Headlight Revolution a while back on Youtube. This video talks about what to look for in an LED bulb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeaDrH0gXZk They are trying to sell their (pricey) products of course but the info is valid for what you find on Amazon & ebay. Basically, very thin where the LEDs are with them located very close to a halogens coils location to get the proper light pattern. Hope this helps in your hunt for a good replacement.
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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2018, 11:06:38 pm »
I think they add up both lights for the lumen or watts if you prefer. Here is a good example. $12 for 2. 1400 watts! 

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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2018, 02:35:26 am »
Have them in my bike, another rider I know has them In his bike,they are very bright even in the day time!

That's what I'm hearing and that's what I'm after, for sure!
Day Bright!
How long have they been installed?
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I have only had mine in a few weeks and only ridden once at night, the other guy i was riding with was behind me with his bright lights on in daylight, very noticable!

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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2018, 11:02:03 am »
I think they add up both lights for the lumen or watts if you prefer. Here is a good example. $12 for 2. 1400 watts! 

That ad is a classic example of inaccurate info being published. There's a lot of confusion (or outright dishonesty) in seller listings for lumens and wattage (often not even listed).

A 700 watt bulb would fry my C10.

It is frustrating trying to decipher info in ads.  Makes it hard to compare.






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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2018, 04:08:26 pm »
My Pathfinders should arrive today
I sure do appreciate all of the feedback and input
Cost isn't my initial concern
It's all about light distribution relative to a quality halogen H4 because the LED is in a halogen-based reflector
It's all about the technology of the LED, how it's arrayed, how the resultant heat is dissipated, service life of that bulb
and electrical consumption with no additional mod's or wiring. It's the plug-and-play that I like.
It's not necessarily about 5x the lumens, poorly distributed, for 80% less cost
I don't really know how to measure a bulbs physical performance, anyway
I have resisted any LED H4's for some time now
I don't think that $50 per bulb is inexpensive but there appears to be positive feedback from actual Pathfinder users

I'll post before/after pics because it's cold and snowing
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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2018, 07:25:56 pm »
The LED install was simple and rather quick
The plug-in to the oem power is not weather resistant
Zip-tied the excess cable length under the cowling

Most definitely brighter, even in the direct daylight
I installed OEM halogen bulbs for comparison (yellow)
PIAA halogens are as white, not quite as bright as these LED's
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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2018, 07:51:03 pm »
According to vid's and articles, the similarity between a halogen bulb and the LED-of-choice should be evident
If the LED's are not closely similar to the halogen in their placement, the light thrown out by the LED will not be satisfactory
The reflector is engineered for the light thrown from a halogen
The PIAA low-beam reflector, low beam is forward, is definitely mimicked by the Pathfinder LED and the high-beam filament is mimicked by the lower LED set of the Pathfinder

My friend, who is Parts Sales at my Kaw dealer, has demoed several LED H4's over the years for Yamaha Honda Kaw and BMW
He knows me, being a PIAA fan, and he knew I'd be impressed with Pathfinder H4SFS bulbs
The Pathfinder instructions, by the way, are in english only, are from SoCal MotoGear
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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2018, 12:26:30 am »
Thanks Ted
Yes, I've seen those before. Yes they do all look quite a bit like, some near identical to, the Pathfinders
I've heard from two GW owners who've purchased inexpensive led's. Their led's only lasted 1 year.
That's kind of not-good.
SoCal has no "Made in USA" on their custom SoCal packaging and I'm quite sure they are imported

I'm not sure that cheaper is always better
240000 lumen for $25 cracks me up
For $100 I should have 1000000 lumen and be able to char a braut on the heat-sink

I let the bike warm up and pushed it outside to see the lights in action
Looks very good, pretty impressive, lights the entire snow-covered driveway
I touched each heat-sink and they do get hot
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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2018, 01:48:12 am »
I'm one of those that sang the praises of Evitek LEDs. I still have them on my bike, and I still love them. The cutoff is not quite as sharp as with the Halogens, but very close. As for light on the sides, I think as good or better than Halogens. If you read my thread of a couple of years ago, I'm convinced that they saved me from a hard collision with a deer (it was a very slow collision because I saw it contrasting against the green brush and had time to slow - lots!).
I do believe that Evitek is a gonner.
Glad to learn that there are LEDs out there that are high quality... just in case mine fail.

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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2018, 11:32:37 am »
That's good info Jim. What is snow??  :nananana:
NOTE: I wasn't dissing your lights. Just noticed the similarity.
            Suspect same manufacturer of the lights.
            The Pathfinders may have different/better LED's??
I noticed that the ones you have include a deflector plate to keep from blinding other drivers.   :great: :great:

Do you notice that in the light distribution??

Jorge, are the Evitek's 2 sided or 3?
I have a set of inexpensive light that someone said worked well for them.  These are 3 sided..
     Have not installed them.
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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2018, 03:36:58 pm »
If you read my thread of a couple of years ago, I'm convinced that they saved me from a hard collision with a deer (it was a very slow collision because I saw it contrasting against the green brush and had time to slow - lots!).
I do believe that Evitek is a gonner.
Glad to learn that there are LEDs out there that are high quality... just in case mine fail.

I'm in the same boat with deer. No pavement-dance to date but it'll be the one I don't see
I had saved the Evitek H4 on Amazon in 2017 but I cannot find it now.
It's good to hear you've hit the two-year mark with them. PIAA's are an average two year halogen.
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Re: LED H4 bulb PATHFINDER
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2018, 03:52:03 pm »
I noticed that the ones you have include a deflector plate to keep from blinding other drivers.

Do you notice that in the light distribution??

Thanks Ted

I have a propensity toward doing things that require "no snow" and "no deer"

I did stare into them to see the difference and all I noticed is that I had a big white spot in my vision for several minutes

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