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LED headlight install (single emitter)
« on: March 11, 2015, 10:53:11 am »
Hi all, thought I would share the LED headlight install I did. These ones are a little different from the others posted in that they have a single large Cree emitter for each high and low. I used these last year, but thought I would take a comparison for everyone while I was getting the bike ready for spring.

These models have an integrated fan on the rear to help with cooling of the emitter. They connect into a small LED driver unit (almost like a ballast on an HID unit), which is very small, and converts the 12v of the bike to 48v to run the LED.

So, one photo attached is the stock halogen H4 bulbs. Nice clean cutoff.
Second is left bulb LED, right as halogen. The cutoff on the LED is not as sharp, but it isn't bad either. There is not any scatter beyond the illuminated area.
On high beams, the LEDs really blast light, as one thing they do is leave the low-beam element illuminated (the halogen switches between high and low)

I greatly prefer the whiter light for the contrast it provides, and of course the savings of watts is nice for all the heated gear attached as well (35w on high, all total).

I got these on eBay for about $80.

note: all light photos taken at the same settings for accurate comparison.
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2015, 11:32:41 am »
phreak,
Did you have to do any mods to the headlight housing to get them to fit properly? I have tried several different LED units with no luck so far as fitment goes. Also how about a link to the item so someone else can find it?
Looks like we might finally have a led that will work for the C14 housing?
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2015, 12:14:09 pm »
Are you running one LED and one H4?

I'm doing that with one HID and an H4….

Just curious.

Great visuals - thanks for the pics.
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2015, 01:02:43 pm »
I don't know if this one is identical to suprPHREAK's,  but it is new tech single emitter.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/H4-High-Performance-LED-Kit-Low-Beam-High-Next-Generation-Technology-Bulbs-/161631961575?vxp=mtr
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2015, 03:11:50 pm »
They look like a possibility!
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2015, 04:03:54 pm »
Flat-spot, those are the exact ones!

Matt, no mods at all. Direct fit. They have a little adapter plate for the H4 socket, just put that where the bulb goes, put the rubber surround back on, then twist in the LED unit.

Fais, LEDs only! Left the halogen in just for photo purposes.
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2015, 06:41:24 pm »
So is the benefit/option of having duel emitter that much better??
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2015, 07:13:38 pm »
THANKS, great post and info

D*mmit man I "passed" on the whole HID thing in anticipation of our friends in the tech world doing an LED gig for our bikes, may have to pull the trigger soon!  As soon as my next sylvania ultra H4 blows away.
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2015, 12:53:52 am »
I can only see one drawback now.
My HID are rated at 3200LM+
The LED are rated at 2200LM.
So to go "new school" I have to give up 30% of my light output?  Say it aint so!
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2015, 08:22:43 am »
I guess maybe we wait for the next new gen LED.  At the current rate of tech improvements, that won't be a long wait.
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2015, 08:35:07 am »
The LEDs I'm going to put in mine, as soon as I reach my savings goal for the National + Guhl, are 6400LM and 40 watts each. Flamethrowers!  :rotflmao:
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2015, 08:35:54 am »
Link?
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2015, 08:41:29 am »
Already posted, its still on first page: http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,57383.0.html

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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2015, 10:01:38 am »
JR,
Those are 2600 LM per unit on low beam. My HID are still a solid 3200LM all the time.
I just looked at those LED's again JR, they are getting more bad press about light pattern and direction.
I was actually gonna buy a set to try out!  O well.
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2015, 10:20:17 am »
JR,
Those are 2600 LM per unit on low beam. My HID are still a solid 3200LM all the time.
I just looked at those LED's again JR, they are getting more bad press about light pattern and direction.
I was actually gonna buy a set to try out!  O well.
Matt

Not a lot of negative reviews, very few about pattern. Vehicle specific too. No way to know how they will work in the C14 reflector arrangement.
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2015, 10:23:07 am »
JR,
Buy a set, send them to me,  and I will review them for the Connie for ya!   :nananana:
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2015, 10:27:59 am »
Purchased today,
Delivery tomorrow. Will install and review by Sunday!
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2015, 10:32:05 am »
FYI,
I also received my H7 LED from Cyclops for my KLR. The unit fits into the housing, (barely), and is very bright. Currently I am having some difficulty getting the light down onto the road in a "normal" headlight pattern and depth of field. I have not had a lot of time to mess with it yet but will be taking her apart again tomorrow nite.
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2015, 10:49:46 am »
While all of you are debating the lumens of your bulbs, what really matters is how much light actually goes where it needs to. It is far more critical that the light source fits the reflector housing correctly than just raw output alone.

Ever used a MAG light, with the adjustable beam? Same bulb, but flood to spot the brightness in an area changes. This is done by moving the bulb forward/back. Since the purpose of a headlamp is to send light down the road, the light source point (be it the filament, the LED emitter, or the ark in an HID) needs to be at the sweet spot within the mirrors to be correctly aimed down the road. A few millimeters forward or back and you either get a very narrow light beam, or incredible scatter. This means that a "weak" bulb may be functionally brighter than a "powerful" bulb that doesn't fit properly.

Most HIDs usually fall into the latter category, sticking out too far and just becoming a scattered mess. You have lots of unfocused light, which is not necessarily any better than a lower-luminosity source which fits better. Also, makes you a douchebag. HIDs should only ever be used in projector lamps when used as headlights. Also, usually illegal if you don't. In my experience, HIDs in reflectors never ever work as well as they appear to when you stand next to it after installing it and go "wow that's bright". When I put HIDs in my ZX14 with 4 projectors, that was a whole different story....

Since sellers have no idea what you will actually use the bulb for, they can really only advertise the "bare bulb" luminosity...put the bulb on a stand, turn it on, measure at x distance. And what is X? Who knows. Maybe it is all measured at 1M, maybe it is measured at 1cm. Both of which are not all that relevant for headlights which should shine 20m+ down the road. At the end of the day, arguing over lumens alone is pretty pointless, same with watts or kelvins. All that matters is that all the hardware fits together correctly, and works properly.
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2015, 10:57:37 am »
If I don't get a flat beam line at the OEM focus point, I won't keep them in. I do expect to have to play with them a bit to get it lined up right.
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2015, 10:58:59 am »
Purchased today,
Delivery tomorrow. Will install and review by Sunday!
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2015, 12:10:17 pm »
Purchased today,
Delivery tomorrow. Will install and review by Sunday!
Matt

Be sure to do a review on Amazon, it will improve peoples buying experience.

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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2015, 02:42:29 pm »
"Also, makes you a douchebag."

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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2015, 02:51:09 pm »
"Also, makes you a douchebag."

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Well, nobody on the road, least of all the friends you ride with, appreciate having scattered bright light. Part of headlight design is to put light where it belongs, and keep it from where it doesnt (eye level). So, if you insist that your HIDs are awesome despite the fact they are not actually working properly, then there is an issue. With the owner.

Of course, if you took the time to adjust your HIDs to actually work properly, have the same beam pattern, and not scatter blinding lights, then you are not the problem. Also, this only applies to folks with maladjusted lights on LOW beam. High beams are meant to light up the world.
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Re: LED headlight install (single emitter)
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2015, 05:45:35 pm »
Matt,  which ones did you order? 

The $90 single big round emitter, or

the higher $$  triple-square emitter?
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