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Lights and hand protectors
« on: November 28, 2015, 01:50:01 pm »
Ok, two more things and then I'm pretty sure I've got what I need (for the moment)

I have not had any success with input or research on and "Hand wind protection" for a bike that has an aftermarket CalSci windshield.  Seems every type deflector won't work with my shield.  Does anyone have a CalSci windshield and has found a deflector that will work?

I tried contacting Pope to see if he could make me a set of his own fabricated model, but he never got back to me.

2nd issue, I don't see a lot about tip over bar lights except sets that cost on the upwards of $150.00+.  Are there any bolt on lights that are reasonably priced that would mount to the MC Enterprises bars that stick out (bathroom bars type) rather then the cages? (I know make fun of me, I went with those vs the more aesthetically pleasing ones)

Any insight would be appreciated
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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2015, 03:27:29 pm »
I recall a few folks buying the MondoMoto MM10s and mounting them on cages/bars. Here's the thread with a pic of it mounted...

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=39495.175

There's a limited time special on the MM10s $30 off (see thread for code/info), so you can add the tube light mounts for the price and come out paying a bit over $100 for the lights and mounts total.

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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2015, 03:30:23 pm »
JMO.  You will get a lot more of a benefit from heated gloves vs. a piece of plastic to deflect the wind.

I don't know a lot about lights but if you want a pair for $50 it's probably going to be made with a plastic housing and will crack in freezing weather.
Remember you get what you pay for - usually.  Also a low cost will mean lower light output.

I feel your pain.  I spent so much on my bike soon after I got it - it felt like a need instead of a want.   :)

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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2015, 03:40:39 pm »
Rob, Thanks for the lead, I will check it out.

Silver, Will also look into the gloves as a back up.  Just at that point have to figure on electrical hook up and other things.  Rode the other day in 28 degrees with just insulated gloves and was ok, just looking for a little extra protection.

As far as the cash.......  You're right on.  It's not being cheap, just doing exactly what you said, trying to get as much taken care of in the beginning as possible, but it all adds up.....

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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2015, 03:45:49 pm »
Those lights are the ones that mount via a round clamp to the bars.  IMO they are exposed to being damaged.  The pic below is of the bars I am getting (in black) and the lights have a base plate that mounts to the interior fall guard center mounting plate which seems to afford a little more protection to the lights then the other method.  That's what I'm looking for

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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2015, 03:56:58 pm »
What's everyone's opinion of something like this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CREE-U3-LED-Motorcycle-Auto-Boat-Off-Road-Headlight-Spot-Light-12-85V-LLII-64-/400904567870?hash=item5d57c63c3e:g:ncsAAOSwrklVMbR3&vxp=mtr

I just want something extra on the sides for those really dark country roads.

Or

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Bright-10w-CREE-LED-Driving-Lights-for-Motorcycle-Motorbike-Quad-Bike-/171246760026?hash=item27df1a305a:g:hc8AAOxyRNJSgpxi&vxp=mtr


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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2015, 04:32:42 pm »
Both the links show removed....
I spent a bit more and got Denali DM1 lights from Twisted Throttle.  They are well worth the extra expense IMO.
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/denali-dm1-micro-single-intensity-led-lighting-kit-with-full-wiring-harness-and-m8-mount

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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2015, 07:45:01 pm »
I totally understand on the lights. Not a fan of mounting on the bars especially if there's the chance of it being damaged if the bike goes down. As Joe mentioned, there are options for mounting on the fairing or underneath the mirror. Since i don't have time or tools to make my own, I ended up getting these PCA mounts. Its definitely more money but if you can save up for later, it's worth it.

http://www.pca-one.com/productDetail.asp?productID=7899

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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2015, 08:45:46 pm »
You could run some Barkbuster BBZ muffs for wind protection. Doesn't need a rigid backbone and won't interfere with windscreen lock to lock.

http://www.barkbusters.net/products/bbz/3487-bbz-001
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2015, 08:59:25 pm »
these guys make some awesome bright and affordable lights, a close pal replaced his headlight with individual modules which far surpassed what he had originally on his DR650, super bright, and a major amperage savings over his stock lighting..
http://stores.advmonster.com/led-lights/

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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2015, 09:17:22 pm »
JMO.  You will get a lot more of a benefit from heated gloves vs. a piece of plastic to deflect the wind.

I don't know a lot about lights but if you want a pair for $50 it's probably going to be made with a plastic housing and will crack in freezing weather.
Remember you get what you pay for - usually.  Also a low cost will mean lower light output.

I feel your pain.  I spent so much on my bike soon after I got it - it felt like a need instead of a want.   :)

you are correct on the heat thing, but as far as keeping water off your sleeves, which runs down and soaks your gloves, those mini wings are the answer...
believe me, wet hands and soaked arms even wearing a Stich, are brutal on an 8 hour torrential downpour... never had issue with my C10, I was always dry... not so much with the C14... but then, I put a lot of firehose drinkin rides on the 14.

and that part sucked.
bigtime.

I have a couple ram ball mounts sitting here, and some pieces of Lexan, winter project to make nice wings...

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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2015, 10:40:53 pm »
Joe - Thanks, but they are waaaaaayyyy out of my budget

Rob - being mounted to the bottoms of the mirrors, if it goes down and mirrors fold, aren't they exposed just like bing mounted to bars?  If lights are mounted to inside of bars, don't the bars protect them from harm?

Man of blues - gonna check out the pair for $70.00.  If you ever get around to making a pair of the ball and lexan ones like Pope's, let me know and I'll prob pay you to make me a set.

Wind muffs - are they similar to the Hippo Hands?  The prob with the Hippo Hands was that the wind pressed against them and always put pressure on the clutch and brake levers wearing out the brakes and clutch quicker

But I appreciate all the input, I'm getting more educated and further in the right direction

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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2015, 01:23:10 am »
Good point, I guess it depends on the cages/bars you're using. I have the canyon cages and yes I've dropped it once yet the mirrors and lights were not affected. Since the canyon cages are pretty close to the fairings, i don't think there's much clearance to mount it on the inside of the cages which is one of the reasons why I went with the mount under the mirror but also it looks cleaner and much more aero.

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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2015, 01:28:34 am »
Yeah the canyon cages definitely look better, but I like the drop tests that the fairing guards provide to both the plastic and the mirrors so I'm going with them.  They also give me a little leg protection just in case I get to close to something.  Plus it affords me the placement to put the little lights I want to get (as pictured here on someone else's bike).  Not the best looking, but after dropping her once, I'm gun shy.  Thanks for the idea, input, and feedback.

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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2015, 01:37:35 am »
This weekend on the 2013 concours, for mounting wings to deflect the wind away from the hands and handlebars, I used a pair of ram-ball mounts (3" with 1" ball mounts @$16 each).  Mounted the ram mounts to the side dash with #6 stainless nuts and bolts then to a custom-cut lexan panel (i.e. an elongated egg-shape sheet to match up to the curved sides of my long windshield).  The panels can be adjusted to any angle and distance from the handlebars to avoid the airstream against my hands.  This was an easy two hour job with the dremmel shaping the lexan.    Hope this information helps.   
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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2015, 10:01:36 am »
Been using the 10w Cree led's off of eBay ($15 each) for years on a few different bikes. Work great very durable as well. I mounted mine at the front fender bolts. Easy and gets them away from the turn signals so it does not wash them out during the day time.

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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2015, 11:26:33 am »
Tom,

Yours are very similar to Pope's, just bigger.  Where did you get the hardware for those?  Balls, arms, etc for that?  Do you get lexan at a store like Home Depot?

Now if you bolted that through your fairing, I'm guessing you had to remove the fairing to do so.  How difficult was that to get off and on?  Did you make some kind of a plate behind the plastic on the opposite side to stregthen the mounting spot so it doesn't stress the plastic?

Would you be interested in making me a set and I'll pay you for them and your time?

n3n,

Are these the ones? 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-10W-LED-CREE-LED-Spot-Driving-Work-Lamp-For-Motorcycle-4x4-SUV-Truck-Offroad-/252184180394?hash=item3ab75936aa:g:-qwAAOSwxN5WVHsR&vxp=mtr

I like to go with something that someone has already tried and found dependable, especially given the vibration that they'll take on the bike.

Thanks,
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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2015, 08:55:58 pm »
Tom,

The brackets you have above look similar to these:

http://www.themountdepot.com/RAM_B_107_1U_p/ram-b-107-1u.htm

Do you agree?

These have a rubber 1" ball with what looks like an interior rubber covered clamping mechanism.

With the wind going 60 mph against these joints (where the mechanism is clamping to the ball) do they movee under the pressure of the wind?

Where did you get the plexi-glass?  Home Depot type store?

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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2015, 12:14:54 am »
Just got back and got your post... I ordered the ram-mounts from amazon and the lexan came from Home Depot.  Did not have to remove the dash for mounting the rams.  Interesting that you ask that question... because I used a #6 stainless hex pan-head stud (Lowe's) and tap for both the lexan mount and dash mount.  The trick at the dash was to place the taps on a double-side sticky and the sticky on my finger, then positioning my finger-tap into the rectangle dash hole to mate with the ram-mount stud with the other hand.  I know this sounds like a trick, but you must realize by now that I am a banjo picker.  So, this stuff comes naturally.    ... I did review other posts of hand wings like you suggested and my farkle was influenced by the ingenuity of others.  Contrary to all the other bloggers, there is not enough wind splash to warp the lexan at any speed (at least up to 80mph tried here) nor to vibrate the ram mounts.  If you examine closely at the pics, you will see I used a thin rubber gasket under the ram mount.  Underside on the dash plastic, I used an oversized washer at the tap.  I made sure that is bike was dropped, the mirrow continued to protect the wings from cracking the dash plastic (... uh, yes I done that before too!). 
   Also, you might have seen the windshield blackened and chrome trim?  Easy enough...  Take windshield off, spray with a black rubber paint (it peels off if you want to go back to all clear).  Trim the black on the windshield with a 1/2" plastic auto-door chrome strip on both sides (gives a healthier appearance, I think).   Again, the trim is not affected by the wind splash and does not significantly change the wind deflection dynamics.  I good way to test for wind dynamics.... go out on a cold day, take glove off of hand that will be used to sense the wind splash at different places around the wind shields and wings.  yep... very scientific!
   Also, you might have seen the velcro on the brake reservoir... I used velcro on just about every flat surface on the bike behind the windshield...  I can velcro my gate opener, garage door opener, extra small hand light, and other small near-weightless items.   oh, here's some more ram-mount stuff in my pic here.   (and yes, that's my wife's firetruck-red 750 Shadow trike parked up front).         
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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2015, 01:09:07 am »
Tom,

Thanks so much for getting back to me and the info.  This is going to be my project in the next couple of weeks.  I may pick your brain a little more as I go along.

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Re: Lights and hand protectors
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2015, 11:02:08 pm »
Let me know... my brain matter is cheap stuff!   :)
I just have looked up the previous postings here and found a comment about heated gloves.  I have heated gloves and I do agree that everyone riding in cold weather should have them.  However, during rain, whether heated gloves or not, the wind deflectors is a must-have also to keep hands or gloves safe from getting 'drenched' wet.  HTH
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