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Title: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Baldy on May 22, 2013, 08:21:16 pm
Getting mine apart while Laam has the seat for a tpms battery change.   Back wheel came off without a hitch.   Front was going fine till I got to pulling the axle.   Long story short 22 mill Allen sockets are very scarce in NE Ohio.   Anyone know of a national chain I can buy one from?   I'd like to get it done tomorrow. So I'd hate to have to order it and wait for shipping.  I tried napa,  orielly,  harbor freight,  and a few others.
Any idea?
Thanks for the input
Ken
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Don557 on May 22, 2013, 08:35:07 pm
I went through the same thing a couple years ago.  Ended up getting a couple of those hex tools from Motion Pro.  I'm thinking you're looking at ordering/waiting - sorry. 
I used those to put together a "real" tool kit to carry onboard so I could at least remove either tire roadside, just in case a patch/plug doesn't work while out on the road.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Big-Al on May 22, 2013, 08:37:25 pm
Getting mine apart while Laam has the seat for a tpms battery change.   Back wheel came off without a hitch.   Front was going fine till I got to pulling the axle.   Long story short 22 mill Allen sockets are very scarce in NE Ohio.   Anyone know of a national chain I can buy one from?   I'd like to get it done tomorrow. So I'd hate to have to order it and wait for shipping.  I tried napa,  orielly,  harbor freight,  and a few others.
Any idea?
Thanks for the input
Ken


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Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Bruiser on May 22, 2013, 08:40:59 pm
Got mine from Harbor Freight
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Brass on May 22, 2013, 08:49:09 pm
They might sell some motion pro tools at you local bike dealer
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Fred_Harmon_TX on May 22, 2013, 08:50:07 pm
I bought both a steel one and a lighter weight aluminum one to keep in my tool kit on the bike, to keep my tool kit lightweight.

Steel
http://www.bikebandit.com/motion-pro-chomoly-hex-axle-tool (http://www.bikebandit.com/motion-pro-chomoly-hex-axle-tool)

Aluminum
http://www.bikebandit.com/motion-pro-t-6-hex-axle-tool (http://www.bikebandit.com/motion-pro-t-6-hex-axle-tool)
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Baldy on May 22, 2013, 09:02:28 pm
Thanks all!
I'll call habor freight and talk to someone else.   Tried their Web sight and couldn't find it.   Hopefully they have one and I'll pick it up tomorrow.   Otherwise I'll just have to order one.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: LakeTrax on May 22, 2013, 09:17:30 pm
I ran into the same problem years ago when I owned my ZX9. I searched around and found this gem at a local "mom & pop's" hardware store. "That's not an allen, this is an allen!" ...It's actually a 7/8th inch but it will work for 22mm. Hope you don't have to order/wait for one; I just wanted to mention that you may get lucky if you search high & low at your local(privately owned) hardware stores. Good luck with it-
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: WillyP on May 22, 2013, 09:19:40 pm
I got one for my C-10 at Sears. Have you looked there?
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Baldy on May 22, 2013, 11:47:39 pm
I got one for my C-10 at Sears. Have you looked there?
Thats it!
Thanks everyone.   Sears has them in a set for a little north of 40dollars.  Can't believe Sears didn't occur to me.
That's where I'll be heading in the morning.
Thanks again
Ken
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: LakeTrax on May 23, 2013, 12:14:05 am
I got one for my C-10 at Sears. Have you looked there?
Thats it!
Thanks everyone.   Sears has them in a set for a little north of 40dollars.  Can't believe Sears didn't occur to me.
That's where I'll be heading in the morning.
Thanks again
Ken
Now you call your local Sears???!!!  :)):rotflmao: Justa' playin buddy.
Glad you found one for tomorrow. The set will come in handy eventually too-
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Bruiser on May 23, 2013, 12:15:49 am
The ones I got at Harbor Freight came in packs of 3 for around $12
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: LakeTrax on May 23, 2013, 12:26:53 am
That's 'cuz you'll break 2 Harbor Freight sockets before you get to 94ft/lbs of torque Bruce! :nananana:
May depend on the size & quanity of the set, but to me $40 'n change ain't too bad for a good Craftsman set of allen sockets. Especially if it goes up to 22mm or bigger?
Also gotta figure that sometimes, if you need or want something NOW... you pay the premium.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: TimR on May 23, 2013, 12:43:34 am
For Less than $5.00, I went to Napa and found a 3/4" bolt and two 3/4" nuts and made my own. Tighten the nuts against each other and they won't turn. Maybe not as fancy as a store bought one but it works with a 3/4" socket.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Baldy on May 23, 2013, 01:09:44 am
The ones I got at Harbor Freight came in packs of 3 for around $12
I sure wish I could get those Bruce.   Unfortunately,  I've talked to two separate people and searched their website and that set isn't available.   Largest I can get from them now is 19
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Pat and Sher in MA on May 23, 2013, 01:10:14 am
I think someone mentioned to me that you can use a spark plug socket that has
the wrench flats on it. You put the extension through the socket and use the wrench
flats in the axle. Works with some sparkplug sockets but not all I believe.

just my .02 which ain't worth much.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: LakeTrax on May 23, 2013, 01:17:47 am
If 1" = 25.4mm...
I can see squeezing a 7/8' something into a 22mm hole... but dang TimR, doesn't that 3/4" bolt-head mar the crap out of the inside of your axle?  :-\
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Baldy on May 23, 2013, 01:33:38 am
For Less than $5.00, I went to Napa and found a 3/4" bolt and two 3/4" nuts and made my own. Tighten the nuts against each other and they won't turn. Maybe not as fancy as a store bought one but it works with a 3/4" socket.

Now that's awe full tempting. I really hate to drop 40 on a set I'll only use one of most likely.   If I order one online with shipping I'll be looking at driving my 18 mpg truck more which will cost me at least 5 dollars per day extra in feul.  Sordering online will probably cost me more than 40 and the wait. ... Hate to do it.   Your solution sounds really tempting
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Mark D on May 23, 2013, 01:42:13 am
Go to hardware store and pick up bolt with 7/8" head, likely a 3/4" bolt. Double nut the other end and presto, close enough! I welded the nuts on and made it a permanent tool to keep.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Randy on May 23, 2013, 01:45:53 am
I think someone mentioned to me that you can use a spark plug socket that has
the wrench flats on it. You put the extension through the socket and use the wrench
flats in the axle. Works with some sparkplug sockets but not all I believe.

just my .02 which ain't worth much.

That's the ticket. 13/16 spark plug socket works just fine. Fits perfectly.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Baldy on May 23, 2013, 01:57:36 am
If 1" = 25.4mm...
I can see squeezing a 7/8' something into a 22mm hole... but dang TimR, doesn't that 3/4" bolt-head mar the crap out of the inside of your axle?  :-\
3/4 bolts have a 7/8 head.... Should fit snug
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Baldy on May 23, 2013, 02:07:00 am
I think someone mentioned to me that you can use a spark plug socket that has
the wrench flats on it. You put the extension through the socket and use the wrench
flats in the axle. Works with some sparkplug sockets but not all I believe.

just my .02 which ain't worth much.

That's the ticket. 13/16 spark plug socket works just fine. Fits perfectly.

Awesome!    Love this Site.   I'll see if I have the right size spark plug socket and if not ill use the nuts and bolts trick.   Thanks to everyone.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: TimR on May 23, 2013, 03:10:06 am
If 1" = 25.4mm...
I can see squeezing a 7/8' something into a 22mm hole... but dang TimR, doesn't that 3/4" bolt-head mar the crap out of the inside of your axle?  :-\
3/4 bolts have a 7/8 head.... Should fit snug

It is a 7/8" bolt head and fits just about right. I was going to use the hex end of a sparkplug socket but mine doesn't have a hole big enough to allow a 3/8's extention to go in from the spark plug side. Finding a spark plug socket that would work was more expensive than buying a bolt and two nuts.  Tim
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Baldy on May 23, 2013, 03:59:21 am
If 1" = 25.4mm...
I can see squeezing a 7/8' something into a 22mm hole... but dang TimR, doesn't that 3/4" bolt-head mar the crap out of the inside of your axle?  :-\
3/4 bolts have a 7/8 head.... Should fit snug

It is a 7/8" bolt head and fits just about right. I was going to use the hex end of a sparkplug socket but mine doesn't have a hole big enough to allow a 3/8's extention to go in from the spark plug side. Finding a spark plug socket that would work was more expensive than buying a bolt and two nuts.  Tim


Yep...just checked all my 13/16 and 21 mm spark plug sockets and none of them will work.  Won't allow an extension from the other side....and the hex ends are both too small.  Probably do the 2 nuts and bolt idea.  I'll get it done tomorrow one way or another LOL.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Randy on May 23, 2013, 11:21:20 am
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Cwo2mustang on May 23, 2013, 12:16:39 pm
A picture is worth a thousand words.
That's exactly what I do, and it works great.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: slayer on May 23, 2013, 12:31:14 pm
the 3/4" bolt works like a champ,it's $35 in your pocket you didn't have to spend and works great,that set up has been in my tool box for years when I found I needed it for my SV1000,saved enough to buy a round for everyone  :beerchug: cheers !
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: jonathan on May 23, 2013, 12:49:38 pm
If 1" = 25.4mm...
I can see squeezing a 7/8' something into a 22mm hole... but dang TimR, doesn't that 3/4" bolt-head mar the crap out of the inside of your axle?  :-\
3/4 bolts have a 7/8 head.... Should fit snug

It is a 7/8" bolt head and fits just about right. I was going to use the hex end of a sparkplug socket but mine doesn't have a hole big enough to allow a 3/8's extention to go in from the spark plug side. Finding a spark plug socket that would work was more expensive than buying a bolt and two nuts.  Tim


Yep...just checked all my 13/16 and 21 mm spark plug sockets and none of them will work.  Won't allow an extension from the other side....and the hex ends are both too small.  Probably do the 2 nuts and bolt idea.  I'll get it done tomorrow one way or another LOL.

If the socket won't allow you to insert the extension from the plug side (the wrong side) then put the socket on the correct way, but insert the extension through the axle first.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: TimR on May 23, 2013, 01:00:27 pm
Yes putting the extention through the axle works too. The problem I was having is none of my spark plug sockets would fit the axle nut. No matter what I did, I was going to have to spend some money. The bolt and nuts was the cheapest. 
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: JeffP on May 23, 2013, 02:03:59 pm
+1 on the MotionPro tool. Works great and as a bonus also fits my front axle on my dirt bikes!
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: LakeTrax on May 23, 2013, 02:57:46 pm
A 3/4" HEAVY hex head bolt has a 7/8" head. That was not mentioned in original post-
Good luck gettin' that axle out today Ken.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Frosty on May 24, 2013, 02:21:14 am
Bought a 1/2" drive 22 mm socket (not an allen) at Lowes, then a 22 mm allen wrench at a local bolt store. Used a band saw to cut a piece off the allen to a length that was compact enough to carry, but long enough to clear everything. Use the socket and a 1/2" rachet to turn the piece of allen. Gives a precision fit in the axle, breaks down in small enough pieces that it's easy to pack. About $15.00 total. Just one more way to go...
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Baldy on May 25, 2013, 02:52:34 am
Just a little update.  I had a hard time getting the axle nut off Thursday for a few reasons.  One of which the nut was severely over torqued.  I've been running my own business last few years and with 110 hour work weeks I've been having service done at shops.  I looked at 6 total 13/16 spark plug sockets and while it's a FANTASTIC idea I couldn't find any locally that would work.  So I ran with the bolt and two nut idea.  I found a 22 mill width nut that fits PERFECT.  My only issue was that I couldn't tighten it all down enough to stay put (even with 1.5 foot cheater bars helping).  Partly because of the over torque on the nut.  Didn't have a welder available till today and got it done!  Welded it together and with the cheater bar was finally able to remove it.  Thanks for all the help and the great ideas.  Should be back in action end of next week.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Brass on May 25, 2013, 03:27:08 am
Just a little update.  I had a hard time getting the axle nut off Thursday for a few reasons.  One of which the nut was severely over torqued.  I've been running my own business last few years and with 110 hour work weeks I've been having service done at shops.  I looked at 6 total 13/16 spark plug sockets and while it's a FANTASTIC idea I couldn't find any locally that would work.  So I ran with the bolt and two nut idea.  I found a 22 mill width nut that fits PERFECT.  My only issue was that I couldn't tighten it all down enough to stay put (even with 1.5 foot cheater bars helping).  Partly because of the over torque on the nut.  Didn't have a welder available till today and got it done!  Welded it together and with the cheater bar was finally able to remove it.  Thanks for all the help and the great ideas.  Should be back in action end of next week.

Did you loosen the pinch bolts?
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Baldy on May 25, 2013, 07:05:47 am
LOL... Sure did.   Just the nut side till I get that off.   Then the other and slide the axle out... Not my first rodeo.   I work in the auto industry and my shoulders are well practiced in degrees of torque.   Who ever put that nut on last had way north of 100 ft lbs on that bad boy.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Brass on May 25, 2013, 10:57:20 am
LOL... Sure did.   Just the nut side till I get that off.   Then the other and slide the axle out... Not my first rodeo.   I work in the auto industry and my shoulders are well practiced in degrees of torque.   Who ever put that nut on last had way north of 100 ft lbs on that bad boy.

Had to ask to make sure

The front axle is supposed to be torqued to 94 ft/lbs which is a lot, hope you get it off
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Jay on May 26, 2013, 02:24:40 am
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Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: MC on May 26, 2013, 09:53:35 am
Buy a large lug nut from Wallyworld, the type that you would use on a pickup truck.  It fits perfectly, comes in a set of four and it's cheap.  Leave one on the bike, one in the toolbox and give the spares to your buddies.  Chrome plated, no cutting, welding, ordering or screwing around.
Title: Re: Little help finding a front axle tool
Post by: Fred_Wa2gzw on May 27, 2013, 12:41:04 am
Sears/Craftsman works for me.