Author Topic: lubbing the throttle cables  (Read 2271 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Jerdurr

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 511
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: Forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
lubbing the throttle cables
« on: January 15, 2018, 02:06:29 pm »
Hey guys! So the other day I was trying to lubricate the throttle cables on my 2012 (I would say I did a half a$$ job, so not happy).

The thing is, even though I was able to get to the cables themselves (by removing them from the throttle assembly), I wasn't able to remove the cable and put it in my motionpro cable lubber. The structure where you can tighten or loosen it would not completely come loose, hence I wasn't able to lube it properly.

I still inserted the needle the best I could, but part of that molly lube was coming out through the tightening assembly, creating more of a mess than i think it should have.  :-[
In the meantime, I also took away the throttle slack, per SISFL recommendations.

Before you ask, yes, I do have the shop manual, and it doesn't explain properly how to do this task. I also have Fred's videos, but I wasn't able to watch them because my laptop doesn't have a cd player. I will probably put them all in a USB drive one of these days.

Can anyone help? If you have any pictures or videos, it would be much appreciated!! :)

Thanks guys!
Best,

JD

--Harley Davidson is king when it comes to turning gas into smoke, without the outcome of power--

Offline connie_rider

  • "OtP" {retired/assistant} Slave Labor
  • I Need a Life
  • ******
  • Posts: 9800
  • Help us make "OtP" possible! "AGAIN"
  • AREA: South Central Area
  • COG#: 4154
  • Membership Level: Asst. Area Director
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2018, 04:19:29 pm »
Can you post a photo of the motionpro cable lubber?

I have to admit, {I'm a sinner} I haven't lubed the cables on my C-14 and seldom did so on my C-10's...
When I did, I disconnected at the throttle, suspended the cables from the ends, and put a drop of oil on the cable's.
  After a brief period, the drop of oil would run down the cables and into the sheath.
   After that, I would do it again.
   NOTE: I didn't try to fill the cables, just get a few drops in as I was trying to lubricate, not flush them..
       ie; Gravity and movement of the cables will eventually work the oil all the way thru.

Back in my Dirt Bike days, we used a cable lubber that I suspect was similar to your Motio Pro.
It worked pretty good {but didn't really flush out the dirt and sand you get in Dirt Bike cables}.

Being us, we invented a system that absolutely/positively flushed out the grit!   >:D
  ie; We cut the end of an air hose, slid it down over the cable, clamped it at the sheath, filled it with light oil, and hooked it to the air compressor.    <Mad Scientist Grin>  :-\

Ride safe, Ted
14 Connie (Traveler II) / 03 Connie (Buddy)
Gone but not forgotten; 87 and 00 Connies..

If your not already a COGger, "consider becoming one".
Help us make "OtP" possible again!!

Offline Jerdurr

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 511
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: Forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2018, 04:23:42 pm »
Can you post a photo of the motionpro cable lubber?

I have to admit, {I'm a sinner} I haven't lubed the cables on my C-14 and seldom did so on my C-10's...
When I did, I disconnected at the throttle, suspended the cables from the ends, and put a drop of oil on the cable's.
  After a brief period, the drop of oil would run down the cables and into the sheath.
   After that, I would do it again.
Ride safe, Ted

Hey Ted! I know I can always count on you to respond... Unfortunately I don't have an air compressor.

I did however do what you mentioned, and used a pretty great product...but I would like to know how to actually set the cable fully free, from the throttle end. I included a pic of the motionpro cable lube tool (10$).

Cheers buddy!
Best,

JD

--Harley Davidson is king when it comes to turning gas into smoke, without the outcome of power--

Offline connie_rider

  • "OtP" {retired/assistant} Slave Labor
  • I Need a Life
  • ******
  • Posts: 9800
  • Help us make "OtP" possible! "AGAIN"
  • AREA: South Central Area
  • COG#: 4154
  • Membership Level: Asst. Area Director
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2018, 04:43:28 pm »
I enjoy commenting to the discussions.
   {Seldom correctly, but I comment}    :??: 

That's the exact type Lubber we used.
 Mine is probably still here somewhere. (it's probably 30+ years old)

Sorry, I don't know the answer to your question.
Hopefully someone else will?

I'll ping Robert {Not so wild Turkey}.
 He mentioned something about lubbing cables the other day.
    Mebbe he can help.

Ride safe, Ted
14 Connie (Traveler II) / 03 Connie (Buddy)
Gone but not forgotten; 87 and 00 Connies..

If your not already a COGger, "consider becoming one".
Help us make "OtP" possible again!!

Offline ZXtasy

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 570
  • It rides the bike or it gets the lotion!
  • AREA: Northwest Area
  • COG#: 12569
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2018, 04:55:07 pm »
At least it is not a ride by wire throttle, electron grease is so expensive!
2013 ZG-1400, 2005 ZX-10R (Nekkid), 2012 TW-200, 1999 TW-200....and more to come.

Offline Jerdurr

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 511
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: Forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2018, 05:31:25 pm »
I enjoy commenting to the discussions.
   {Seldom correctly, but I comment}    :??: 

That's the exact type Lubber we used.
 Mine is probably still here somewhere. (it's probably 30+ years old)

Sorry, I don't know the answer to your question.
Hopefully someone else will?

I'll ping Robert {Not so wild Turkey}.
 He mentioned something about lubbing cables the other day.
    Mebbe he can help.

Ride safe, Ted

Same here Ted, thanks buddy. I always appreciate your old man's tricks & input!  :)) just joking, u know I luv ya!

At least it is not a ride by wire throttle, electron grease is so expensive!

Too funny dude!
Best,

JD

--Harley Davidson is king when it comes to turning gas into smoke, without the outcome of power--

Offline JDSCO

  • Road Bike
  • ***
  • Posts: 341
  • 2016 C14
  • AREA: Southwest Area
  • COG#: Forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2018, 05:42:38 pm »
This works great, flows like water and dries leaving only the lubricant. You don't use a lot.
This bottle has lasted through two C14's and my KTM, so far.
"Always carry a knife with you, just in case there's cheesecake or you need to stab someone in the throat."
Gen James Mattis

Offline Jerdurr

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 511
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: Forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2018, 06:52:49 pm »
This works great, flows like water and dries leaving only the lubricant. You don't use a lot.
This bottle has lasted through two C14's and my KTM, so far.
Thanks JDSCO, that's the product i use. The question remains, how to properly remove/lube the cable, from the throttle end.

thanks!
Best,

JD

--Harley Davidson is king when it comes to turning gas into smoke, without the outcome of power--

Offline Not So Wild Turkey

  • Road Bike
  • ***
  • Posts: 402
  • AREA: South Central Area
  • COG#: 10559
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2018, 11:34:26 pm »
I had good luck just loosening the adjustment sleeves completely and pulling the cable up enough to get out of groove.  I presume you've removed the housing half to access.  Take the screw holding the cable retainer out. Then I slide the outer sleeve out to access.  Sorry but that's all this bubba knows.  Ok Ted did I do ok?  You know I avoid posting cause George is sure to tell me I ain't doin it right.  Good luck and call Ted if you have questions.  He's allot nicer than most folks.
2012 Concours Arabian Red & 80 Suzuki GS1100E
2003 VTX1800R Black / 1979 Suzuki GS1000E / 1969 Norton Commando
Yamaha DT3 250 / Kawasaki 100 G4TR

Offline Jerdurr

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 511
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: Forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2018, 12:45:09 pm »
I had good luck just loosening the adjustment sleeves completely and pulling the cable up enough to get out of groove.  I presume you've removed the housing half to access.  Take the screw holding the cable retainer out. Then I slide the outer sleeve out to access.  Sorry but that's all this bubba knows.  Ok Ted did I do ok?  You know I avoid posting cause George is sure to tell me I ain't doin it right.  Good luck and call Ted if you have questions.  He's allot nicer than most folks.

Thanks Turkey; I've loosened the adjustment sleeves all the way, but eventually i reach a point were they will not come off. I was able to pull the cable enough to get it out of the throttle groove. Yes, I did remove the housing half to access. I was not able to remove the screw holding the cable retainer out. How did you do that?

Best,

JD

--Harley Davidson is king when it comes to turning gas into smoke, without the outcome of power--

Offline Not So Wild Turkey

  • Road Bike
  • ***
  • Posts: 402
  • AREA: South Central Area
  • COG#: 10559
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2018, 01:08:34 pm »
On mine it was a simple Philips head screw.  Not sure what your running into.
2012 Concours Arabian Red & 80 Suzuki GS1100E
2003 VTX1800R Black / 1979 Suzuki GS1000E / 1969 Norton Commando
Yamaha DT3 250 / Kawasaki 100 G4TR

Offline rcannon409

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 755
  • AREA: Southwest Area
  • COG#: Forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2018, 01:16:27 pm »
I have the Motion Pro cable lube thing as well, but I swear this method is easier, and works better. Ive never used that cable lube tool and had it not leak like crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksiQIvNIPRw
Ivans Ecu reflash, Brembo front rotors

Offline JDSCO

  • Road Bike
  • ***
  • Posts: 341
  • 2016 C14
  • AREA: Southwest Area
  • COG#: Forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2018, 01:42:10 pm »
That MotionPro tool is a lot of work.

Thread in both adjusters all the way. Pull the sheath out of an adjuster, one at a time.
Now you have room to insert your Dri-Slide needle and give it a 2-3second squirt in each sheath.
There is a rattle-ball in that Dri-Slide to fully mix the moly. Make sure it's rattling around.
Good Luck
« Last Edit: January 16, 2018, 04:16:03 pm by JDSCO »
"Always carry a knife with you, just in case there's cheesecake or you need to stab someone in the throat."
Gen James Mattis

Offline Jerdurr

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 511
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: Forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2018, 06:43:37 pm »
That MotionPro tool is a lot of work.

Thread in both adjusters all the way. Pull the sheath out of an adjuster, one at a time.
Now you have room to insert your Dri-Slide needle and give it a 2-3second squirt in each sheath.
There is a rattle-ball in that Dri-Slide to fully mix the moly. Make sure it's rattling around.
Good Luck

Yeah, this is what I did... but I had some of the lube leak through the sheath. I wasn't able to get the cables fully loose and out, like the guy presented in RCANNON's youtube video.
Best,

JD

--Harley Davidson is king when it comes to turning gas into smoke, without the outcome of power--

Offline JDSCO

  • Road Bike
  • ***
  • Posts: 341
  • 2016 C14
  • AREA: Southwest Area
  • COG#: Forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2018, 09:39:50 pm »
It's very cold here and I have time so I disassembled my throttle to aid you in your time of maintenance.
I wanted to see if, disassembled, you had enough room between the elbow and sheath to install your tool.
It appears that the sheath will not separate from the adjuster. I thought it did. I did not force it either.
To service the throttle cables, I never disassemble this far but I did this time to live the dream. With the throttle assembled but without the top cap, you can still see the cable/elbows. This is why I like the needle that comes with the DriSlide. Insert as far down, into the cable/elbow, as it will go gently and squirt for 3 seconds. Squirt as much as you desire. It does travel the length of the throttle cables through capillary action and gravity.

Good Luck
« Last Edit: January 16, 2018, 10:12:45 pm by JDSCO »
"Always carry a knife with you, just in case there's cheesecake or you need to stab someone in the throat."
Gen James Mattis

Offline rcannon409

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 755
  • AREA: Southwest Area
  • COG#: Forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2018, 01:21:44 pm »
Speaking of cable lubing......In my dirt bikes service manual (Yamaha), it specifies to NOT lube its cables.  It claimed the cables were teflon lined and any sort of lubrication would damage this lining, and ruin the cable. You dont suppose Kawasaki might do a similar thing?

Based on that , I wonder if we might be better off with one of the dry lubes, or to just leave them alone and replace as needed?

Ivans Ecu reflash, Brembo front rotors

Offline ZXtasy

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 570
  • It rides the bike or it gets the lotion!
  • AREA: Northwest Area
  • COG#: 12569
  • Membership Level: Active
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2018, 07:42:43 pm »
Ohhhh, "LUBBING' the cables...

Motion Pro makes some replacement no 'lube' housings that are pretty sweet.
2013 ZG-1400, 2005 ZX-10R (Nekkid), 2012 TW-200, 1999 TW-200....and more to come.

Offline Jerdurr

  • Street Cruiser
  • ****
  • Posts: 511
  • AREA: Northeast Area
  • COG#: Forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2018, 07:38:12 pm »
It's very cold here and I have time so I disassembled my throttle to aid you in your time of maintenance.
I wanted to see if, disassembled, you had enough room between the elbow and sheath to install your tool.
It appears that the sheath will not separate from the adjuster. I thought it did. I did not force it either.
To service the throttle cables, I never disassemble this far but I did this time to live the dream. With the throttle assembled but without the top cap, you can still see the cable/elbows. This is why I like the needle that comes with the DriSlide. Insert as far down, into the cable/elbow, as it will go gently and squirt for 3 seconds. Squirt as much as you desire. It does travel the length of the throttle cables through capillary action and gravity.

Good Luck
JDSCO, thanks man... appreciate you taking the time to disassemble and help me in my winter work, another reason why i friggin love this forum! That's exactly what I ended up doing with the Drislide. Hope it works well!

cheers guys!
Best,

JD

--Harley Davidson is king when it comes to turning gas into smoke, without the outcome of power--

Offline JimBob

  • Sport Tourer
  • *****
  • Posts: 2833
  • Woman...WHOAAAA MAN!
  • AREA: Southwest Area
  • COG#: forum
  • Membership Level: Forum Subscriber
Re: lubbing the throttle cables
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2018, 04:20:58 pm »
Speaking of cable lubing......In my dirt bikes service manual (Yamaha), it specifies to NOT lube its cables.  It claimed the cables were teflon lined and any sort of lubrication would damage this lining, and ruin the cable. You dont suppose Kawasaki might do a similar thing?

Based on that , I wonder if we might be better off with one of the dry lubes, or to just leave them alone and replace as needed?


“Modern” cables are teflon lined. Saw the change starting in car throttle cables (and later in mountain bike cables) maybe 20 years ago...BUT...that doesn’t mean all cables are.


So *in general* lubing teflon cables *shouldn’t* be required. However, in my experience, even teflon cables can get sticky. A good clean/lube can make a difference. And on my ‘94 C10 it definitely needed it.