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MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« on: October 29, 2015, 06:10:27 pm »
I recently installed a brand-new MRA Vario shield on my '14. Took it on a long trip the past couple of weeks, and soon found that speeds over about 75mph (usually in combination with a headwind, or turbulence from big trucks) will overcome the friction holding the "wing" arms in position and collapse them to the full-down position (I like to run it three clicks up from the bottom). Obviously this isn't ideal.

Anyone else have this problem? Unless I'm missing something obvious, there's no way to tighten the arms in position. I ended up cutting a couple of pieces of an old radio antenna to length and blocking it "up" that way, but even then it come down after a particularly bad blast of turbulence from a semi on a two-lane road (apparently the turbulence lifted it enough to let my metal piece fall out).

Considering whether I should get in touch with MRA, or just improve my temporary "fix" and call it good...
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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2015, 06:45:59 pm »
I have not. Its been very solid at well over 3 digits :)
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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2015, 07:47:34 pm »
Hi,
       No problem with mine, but try to keep it under 100! ;D
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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2015, 07:54:41 pm »
Same for me - no problem. There are different sets of bolts that can loosen on the MRA mounts and adjustable arms. Check that they all are tightened down.
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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2015, 08:19:37 pm »
I've just returned from a 15K trip without an issue with mine.

There are locks at the pivot points, be sure you've locked them.  If you have been, contact the supplier and talk to them. What you describe should not be happening.

If you got it from Twisted Throttle they will be glad to help.

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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2015, 08:32:13 pm »
I installed one about a month ago. 
Like Shepcam,  I have been well into triple digits with it.   No problems so far.

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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2015, 08:54:33 pm »
Yeah, it came from Twisted Throttle. Scup, I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "locks." On mine there are plastic pins at the joints with cut-outs that look to be meant for a flat-blade screwdriver...at first I assumed those were meant to allow you to tighten them up, but tried that and they just spin freely. Maybe I'm misunderstanding how they work?

Mine came down the first time at about 80mph while passing a semi (i.e., in turbulence). Prior to that it hadn't been a problem (though I didn't have too many miles on it). After that it pretty much wouldn't stay up above 75.

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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2015, 09:16:53 pm »
Yeah, it came from Twisted Throttle. Scup, I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "locks." On mine there are plastic pins at the joints with cut-outs that look to be meant for a flat-blade screwdriver...at first I assumed those were meant to allow you to tighten them up, but tried that and they just spin freely. Maybe I'm misunderstanding how they work?

Mine came down the first time at about 80mph while passing a semi (i.e., in turbulence). Prior to that it hadn't been a problem (though I didn't have too many miles on it). After that it pretty much wouldn't stay up above 75.


Did you by chance purchase the X-screen?   $260.00?   My understanding, as explained by Twisted throttle, is the more expensive X-screen version has a much larger spoiler on it.
That could explain why it collapses. (if they are using the same hinge stop system.)  Maybe it can't handle the added pressure of the larger spoiler at higher speeds.     ?????    Just a thought.
If you purchased the standard setup, you may have a defective one.     

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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2015, 10:15:29 pm »
Did you by chance purchase the X-screen? 

Don't think so. This is what's listed in my order, price was just over $200:  MRA VarioTouring Screen Windshield for Kawasaki GTR1400 '08-'14 & Concours 1400 '08-'14

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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2015, 10:47:55 pm »
Mine is rock solid also. Can you take some pics of the pivot points so us folks in the peanut gallery can compare sounds like something is amiss.
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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2015, 11:21:08 pm »
I agree with LSGiant.  Somethings not right.   If you paid $201.00, that's the standard size we all have.

Pictures of the spoiler hinges please.   Maybe they changed something.       ??

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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2015, 09:32:05 am »
I have the Tour X-Creen (larger add on unit) and haven't had any issues with it collapsing.
Went 4500 miles round trip to the 2015 Nationals with it.

There's either someting wrong with it or there's something that you should be doing to lock it in place, that you're not. Here's a Youtube that may help. The Locking/Adjusting starts around the 4:20 mark on the video  - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d41ZmCJaIK8
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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2015, 12:41:57 pm »
I think some of you are talking about the entire windshield which has no locks on the adj part.

The rest of you are talking about the add-on screens which do have locks.

I have the entire windscreen and am surprised how little I like it based on the rave reviews. But, maybe my modded VStream is just that much better(?) And - I DO have the same problem with the wing closing itself at speed - very distracting... I have been constantly surprised at the rave reviews - this has been an annoying, whistling and loud windscreen for me. Not to mention it's adjustability is useless above 70(for me and the OP anyway).
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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2015, 01:32:18 pm »
I haven't had a chance to take pics yet, but I'm pretty sure there's no locking mechanism on the arms/pivot points of my spoiler. Each arm appears to be held in position entirely by friction between a ridged plastic/nylon central piece and two correspondingly ridged outer plates that flex slightly during adjustment. On mine, it seems that this material has worn or stretched with "age" and now allows the spoiler to move more easily.

I'll post some pics later today.   

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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2015, 07:41:06 pm »
Here are some pics. As you can see, all that's really holding it in position are the ridges on the (plastic) upper arm/mount.  Last photo includes the prop-rod work-around I've been using. The pins in the joints are plastic, and spin freely.







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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2015, 09:02:54 pm »
Pechorin,

After looking at your photos, I can say they haven't changed the design.  I have what you have.   

It really sucks that you are having this issue.  You, and now Fias, are the first people I've heard with this problem.   Have you talked with whom ever you purchased it from?
I would think they would owe you an exchange or a refund.   There are a couple of other options for a work around should you decide to keep it but I would think that would be a last resort option.

PS      Just curious,        how long has it been installed?

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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2015, 09:13:52 pm »
Actually, given the design, I'm a little surprised that the two of us seem to be the only ones with this problem. One wonders if they switched to a new supplier for the plastic or something.

Anyway, I haven't contacted anyone about it yet, but will probably give Twisted Throttle a call and see what they say. The more I think about it, the less acceptable it seems in a $200 product.

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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2015, 09:41:41 pm »
Actually, given the design, I'm a little surprised that the two of us seem to be the only ones with this problem. One wonders if they switched to a new supplier for the plastic or something.

Anyway, I haven't contacted anyone about it yet, but will probably give Twisted Throttle a call and see what they say. The more I think about it, the less acceptable it seems in a $200 product.

I've had other problems with the bike :-[ so the windshield became less important to me.

Mine is also pretty new as of this spring - and maybe they aren't made as tightly as they used to be? I have had good luck with Twisted Throttle customer service in the past. BUT, I do know there is a no return policy on windscreens bc people want to order all of them, keep one and return the rest. But our situation is different.

Nice fix with the antenna -  :great:
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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2017, 12:38:17 pm »
I'm preparing to install a new MRA Vario, so I though I'd bring this back to life.

pechorin75 and Fais,

Did you ever get you issue worked out with your windscreen?

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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2017, 10:23:46 pm »
Mine is quite good at 100 in the windshield retracted position
Spoiler is usually in the "raised spoiler"/deflect-up position as shown
Spoiler hasn't moved
I only extend the windshield for rain at hwy speed
I will never try it extended at 100+

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Re: MRA Vario "wing" collapses
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2017, 03:17:34 pm »
Mine is quite good at 100 in the windshield retracted position
Spoiler is usually in the "raised spoiler"/deflect-up position as shown
Spoiler hasn't moved
I only extend the windshield for rain at hwy speed
I will never try it extended at 100+

I've used it extended at +110mph, not an issue; the wing doesn't move, seems solid. However now that I think about it, maybe I should lower it before doing triple digits...having said that, usually my triple digits are short stretches, under 3 minutes.
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