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Muzzy duals
« on: July 08, 2011, 11:23:08 am »
Hi Guys,
newcomer here with a 2011.

I'm considering the Muzzy duals. I like Muzzy's sound on other machines (not as loud as some) , plus you get 2 canisters....possibly quieter sound and better looks when bags are off. I recently rode with bags off and liked it!

Power commander or fuel control needed?..what is the re-flash I've read on here? Is anything necessary on this model?

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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2011, 12:29:27 am »
anyone ever find or hear if the c14 needs fuel added with pipes?  ...does nobody know?..or just nobody interested?
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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2011, 12:54:02 am »
I know a normal slip-on would not need a power commander.  I'm fairly certain the Muzzy's can be bolted on without needing a pc, but search these forums.  I kow some one here has added duals alreadyu.

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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2011, 12:56:38 am »
I'll look more ,thanks
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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2011, 01:08:35 am »
I'm interested in adding true duals as well ... but, with Holeshot cans.  The Area Ps on my ZX14 are very loud.  Holeshot is not.  Very pleasent to ride without ear plugs.

I have a 2009 ZX14 header, too.  It has cats, but I don't think this will make any difference in performance if I use it.  Area P has a header that looks twice the size of the stock Ninja header.  But, think it gives less low end power, altho I can't remember if this is correct.  I'm considering the stock ZX14 header, Area Ps mid pipes and Holeshot cans.  Plus, work on the side and center stands.  Lot of work ... and wonder if it is worth it in power returns.  ??  Who knows.

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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2011, 11:22:04 pm »
anyone ever find or hear if the c14 needs fuel added with pipes?  ...does nobody know?..or just nobody interested?

That's a hard question to answer because it is so broad. Most of the fuel maps I have seen for this bike are adding fuel in some cells and taking it away in others. I think the percentage where it is taking it away is usually higher, but that doesn't mean you can simply ignore the cells where it is adding fuel.

The fuel maps depend on throttle opening percentage, and RPM, and can even take the gear into account, So its hard to make an overall generalization about a map, much less one that applies to all aftermarket exhausts.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2011, 11:24:35 pm by Fred_Harmon_TX »
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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2011, 11:33:34 am »
Thanks for the input. I guess the question is a little vague,sorry.  I do realize that the cost and simplicity of slip -ons make that type more popular.

I guess my main questions are  this:

1) If this model is switched over to true dual exhaust...is it that much different in fuel flow that may cause a lean condition and harm the engine ??...or do people do it and get away with it?...or was the factory ecu too rich anyway and the pipes make it good and it is safe to do so ?

2) if efi fuel controller is necessary , is a power commander the most popular and is there a common map people share?

3) Are there any users here that have the muzzy duals? ...and if so a sound clip  or some info maybe ?...or even know of one and heard it run?
....does this bike pop and gurgle and backfire if you change pipes (it seems some do more than others)

I love my C-14 the way it is,...the duals look cool and probably sound great. I'm just looking to have some shared info on a product I'm interested in if anyone here has any . Thanks

« Last Edit: July 14, 2011, 11:36:44 am by helix »
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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2011, 01:02:39 pm »
I believe KawiMick has Muzzys on his bike, you might ask him if he has a map you could look at.

If you can find a map for the Muzzy exhast, you could have it directly flashed into your ECU instead of using a Power Commander, but it would be advisable to put the bike on a dyno afterwards and check the A/F ratio with a wideband 02 sensor.
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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2011, 01:07:40 pm »
I just looked, and there is a map for the 2010/11 on the Power Commander website for the full Muzzy system.

M17-022-003    Muzzy dual full system, Stock air filter

http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander/powercommander_v.aspx?mk=8&mdl=144&yr=17-022&pcVersion=PCV&PartNum=17-022
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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2011, 07:43:12 am »
I bought an '09 from my buddy that has the Muzzy full carbon and power commander.  Sounds great, lots of throaty grumble.  It does pop, but doesn't seem to be a problem.  Been running like this for about 25k miles.

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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2011, 12:23:13 pm »
the popping you hear is probably normal with the slip-ons. i added a two bros pipe and their juice box. it popped with out the juice box, and with it installed.
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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2011, 04:53:30 am »
Newbie here, first post...  :beerchug:

I just got the dual Muzzys full system the other week and love it!





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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2011, 10:34:50 am »
Now, that's what I'm talking about, ZG .... looks great !!

I hope to have a set on this week as well.
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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2011, 11:13:53 am »
That really does look nice !! ... the whole bike

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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2011, 01:59:43 pm »
Welcome ZG!  :-*

Now if we can just get you to ride that bad boy a little more.   ::)  Maybe even scuff the sides of those tires?  :nananana:

How about this weekend?  Lunch is on me : http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,27095.msg118844.html#msg118844   :motonoises:
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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2011, 02:45:40 pm »

How about this weekend?  Lunch is on me : http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,27095.msg118844.html#msg118844   :motonoises:



Can't do this weekend Rob but thanks for the lunch invite. Tomorrow is the wifes big 40 bday, today will be spent getting everything set-up and tomorrow celebrating!  :beerchug: :beerchug:
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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2011, 03:02:03 pm »
Hmm, hopefully she doesn't know you posted her age to the world, or it could be a short party.   :happybirthday3:

Regardless, wish her a happy Bday from everyone in COGDOM.   :06:
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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2011, 03:46:21 pm »
Thanks Bro, will do!
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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2011, 05:03:22 pm »
You have very good taste very obvious from your photo nice job, just curious as to what brand those tip over bars are?

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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2011, 05:12:41 pm »
You have very good taste very obvious from your photo nice job, just curious as to what brand those tip over bars are?


Thanks Hammer. They're the Top Block Racing sliders, here's a link with some more pics of them...

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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2011, 09:42:08 pm »
Hey ZG my apologys for rehashing this subject on this post but I am baffled because the photos showing top blocks sliders are round bar stock and yours seems to be square beefy stock, has any one else noticed this ?

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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2011, 09:47:32 pm »
Hey ZG my apologys for rehashing this subject on this post but I am baffled because the photos showing top blocks sliders are round bar stock and yours seems to be square beefy stock, has any one else noticed this ?

The round ones you're referring to are for the 10/11 model, mine are the ones for the 08/09... different design, 08/09 ones look better IMO.
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Re: Muzzy duals
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2011, 11:42:15 pm »
ZG, those black wheels look nice!  8) i assume thats powder coat... ball park on the cost?
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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2011, 11:47:56 pm »
ZG, those black wheels look nice!  8) i assume thats powder coat... ball park on the cost?


Thanks RB!

Yep, powder coated, my cost was only $60 for the set because I'm a repeat customer to him, just shocking how inexpensive powder coating is...

The guy I use has done 2 other sets for my Gixxers as well, here's a link to his shop, he does great work and always turns mine in 2 days!

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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2011, 08:13:20 am »
ZG, those black wheels look nice!  8) i assume thats powder coat... ball park on the cost?


I agree. The powder coated wheels, plus the two cans really looks great. Sets the bike off nicely. Two bad Big K went with the single can instead of the ZX14 set up. That would have looked nicer.