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Offline Redgecko

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New to touring and intercom
« on: June 22, 2014, 05:25:32 pm »
Hi,

Hope this is the right place and I'm sure it's been asked before but I'm looking for advice/info on intercom systems.

I picked up my Concours last Saturday and it's a new learning curve for me but I bought it so my wife and I can get out on the road together. As such I would like something that will enable us to talk to each other and listen to some music maybe in the times between.

Would like opinions on units and info on how the whole music/VOX thing works and would like bluetooth to phones and maybe GPS.

Please make it nice and simple for this old guy, like I say it's not something I have ever looked into before.

Thanks in advance.  :)

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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2014, 05:45:03 pm »
Redgecko:  I have the Sena SMH-10 bluetooth setup on my helmet which synchs beautifully to my iPhone for music and GPS....I use the Verizon Navigator app for GPS.   It has intercom function and while I haven't used that, I'm sure it works as well as everything else on the SMH-10.  Sena has just released a new model called the 20S, which has greater range and some new features, but it's out of stock at most places as far as I've been able to tell.  Both Sena and Cardo seem to be the pack leaders for communicators.  Check out some of the online places that sell this gear, some of them have video reviews that will answer a lot of your questions on features.  Happy hunting!
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2014, 06:19:41 pm »
Also, in the "C14 Accessories" child thread, there are often threads asking similar questions.  These are accessories, and there is a recent fairly new thread there now about this issue.
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2014, 10:11:51 pm »
I  just installed a UCLEAR boomless  in my helmet. It connects to my gps, phone and music from the phone, it also has an intercom feature i have not used it works with passenger and other riders, and works well it connects by bluetooth. no wires, the speakers mount in the helmet, the device mounts on the outside of the helmet and you plug the speakers into it.

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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2014, 01:01:17 am »
Moving to Accessories thread..but I have to give a +1 for the Sena,   my better half and I ride 2up a lot and use sena for music as well as intercom.  We can even share music (She can listen to music on my iPhone and visa versa)
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2014, 12:08:40 pm »
Moving to Accessories thread..but I have to give a +1 for the Sena,   my better half and I ride 2up a lot and use sena for music as well as intercom.  We can even share music (She can listen to music on my iPhone and visa versa)

+2 for the Sena.  My wife and I almost always ride two up and this unit has been absolutely fantastic.  You won't be disappointed.
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2014, 02:18:19 pm »
And one more thumb up for the Sena. I had the misfortune of giving the unit a torture test in pouring rain... no issues. I believe there is a newer firmware upgrade that allows communication with non-Sena units as well.  :great:
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2014, 02:21:20 pm »
we're using Scala Q2s.  Like them just fine.

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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2014, 10:52:53 pm »
I am using the Scala Rider G9. It is a bit too quiet with earplugs in ... but overall I like it.

I just had one fail within the warranty period and they exchanged it with no problems. Make sure that you buy from an authorized dealer ... because they check!

I don't want to start a storm here ... but I have seen the  Scala referred to as the Android and the Sena referred to as the iPhone of communication devices. The Scala does a "million" things ... but whether you can remember how to operate them when you need them is another problem. The Sena "just works" apparently.

There are a lot of differences ... but I'll leave checking them as an exercise for the potential user.  ;D
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2014, 11:31:37 pm »
Scala Rider G9 all the way!

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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2014, 11:41:56 pm »
Scala Q1s here, work just fine and let me use either regular helmet speakers or my earbuds.  Attaches to multiple Bluetooth devices, lets me connect to Siri without touching the phone, uses standard mUSB to charge, I'm not sure how many other Scalas it will connect to, but my two connect just fine, and supports Vox if you want it.  (Or you can just shut it off and push a button if you want)

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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2014, 05:27:37 am »
My wife and I have Sena SMH10's, but I recently went riding with a co-worker who has a Scala (I forget the model).  With the new Sena firmware, I was able to pair up with him just fine, and it worked just about as well as it does with another Sena, maybe slightly less range.  If you also ride with friends, you might want to get the same model that the majority of them use.
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2014, 12:19:09 pm »
Redgecko,
I've been a Cardo Scala Rider user for 6 years now.
Started with the entry level "Teamset" because it was cheap.
It is a very basic, entry-level setup.
I've been using the G9 Powerset now for over 2 years.
The G9 has Vox control.
It works simply by either speaking a specific command into the mic, or pushing a specific button, hearing a tone, then speaking.
The new G9x allows music sharing, earbuds instead of helmet speakers, and an app you can download that allows you to change personal settings for your G9 with your cell phone, instead of having to only use a computer.

Music sharing allows both you and a passenger to hear the same music from one source, via bluetooth.

While it is wonderful to no longer be tethered to my phone via earbuds, and instead be wireless, it sometimes has some frustrating bugs that come along with it.

The Sena has very good reviews. But, out of every com on the market, the G9 has the greatest intercom range of any out there...1 mile, line of site. Most of the others are half that. This is important if you pair up with other riders and tour, not with only a passenger.

The G9 has 6 buttons, and many combination possibilities...making it somewhat difficult.
Cardo also has a new one that's simpler and cheaper, but still allows music sharing, called the Q3.

CycleGear sells one called Uclear. They say it will pair up with all other brands now.

I would suggest that if you ride with friends, check into what brand they use, and stay with that.
Most will only pair and intercom within their same brand.

My G9 uses an "A" and "B" button...it allows me to intercom with others at the same time.
Say, I'm riding with my GF, two-up, and another biker who also has a Scala Rider.
I can have my GF on "A" and the other rider on "B", yet it will allow all 3 of us to hear and talk to each other at the same time. We can all make or recieve cell calls, etc.

Now...the reason some use the helmet speakers, and some who choose  the G9X can plug a set of earbuds into the unit, and use them is that the bass response and sound quality is better with earbuds.

The biggest mistake most G9 users make is not properly placing and spacing the helmet speakers.
They get them too high or low...forward or back...too far away from their ears...then think that the unit doesn't have enough volume or has bad sound quality. Believe me, when the G9 speakers are properly placed and spaced out...you have to be careful! It has unbelievable volume and sound quality!

Regardless of which brand you buy, they make the riding experience with a passenger better.
When riding with friends on other bikes and intercommed, they increase safety, and help communication...say someone needs to stop...for whatever reason. It just makes it better.

Now, the bad thing I deal with when intercommed with my GF... If she wants to talk, you can't listen to music! It's either/or...and usually she wants to talk...(all the time!) lol...

If only Cardo figures that part out, and allows their unit to finally duplex both......lol
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2014, 12:29:09 pm »
Welcome!  I like this set-up so much I started a thread about it:  http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,51873.0.html
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2014, 07:12:33 pm »
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2014, 11:56:49 pm »
Thanks for all the replies guys, very helpful    :great:

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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2014, 12:41:02 am »
Just for chuckles, take a look at the hard- wired systems. They work very well, require no pairing or handshaking with other devices, and often have far superior VOX operation. I have nearly 100K miles on a Starcom Digital system that couples both my wife and I (easy boys!), each of us to our own music source, each of us to our own cell phones, as well as other devices such as GPS driving instructions.

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Hi,

Hope this is the right place and I'm sure it's been asked before but I'm looking for advice/info on intercom systems.

I picked up my Concours last Saturday and it's a new learning curve for me but I bought it so my wife and I can get out on the road together. As such I would like something that will enable us to talk to each other and listen to some music maybe in the times between.

Would like opinions on units and info on how the whole music/VOX thing works and would like bluetooth to phones and maybe GPS.

Please make it nice and simple for this old guy, like I say it's not something I have ever looked into before.

Thanks in advance.  :)
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2014, 01:01:08 am »
Sena SMH10's here as well. We have four that work together great- 3 riders and 1 passenger.  :)
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2014, 08:31:10 am »
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2014, 03:06:47 am »
I've been using the Scala 9 for the last two years.

I've had minor issues with it losing connectivity between pairs on occasion.

Bluetooth capability works fairly well between my Garmin 660 although the delay between your GPS "talking" and the channel being released back to intercom can be an annoyance.

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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2014, 09:06:27 am »
Another vote for the Scala line, I used the Teamset Pro for years and recently upgraded to the Q3 so I could plug in a pair of custom molded headphones so me and my girlfriend could still communicate at highway speeds.  Bluetooth music sharing between rider and passenger is a great feature, assuming you can agree on the music :-)
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2014, 12:38:16 pm »
I have the Scala rider which mostly sucks.  It only works intermittantly and this year not at all.  I am in the middle of a move so I don't have access to the manual.  I probably need to resync the helmets to each other.  Still many times last year we'd head out on a trip and have no communication.  When it worked it was fine, but not great. I tried listening to music through it by plugging in my Ipod mini.  No go, it was very weak.  As another poster noted perhaps my speaker placement wasn't the best so I'll recheck that issue.  Oh well.  Live and learn but my next system will be a Sena with earbuds and a way to plug into a radar detector.
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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2014, 01:03:35 pm »
We've been using the Sena SMH10 dual kit for the past couple years, and I just got a set of the new Sena 20S communicators last week, and they are the bee's knees. Worth a look;).

http://www.sena.com/product/intercoms/20s/

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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2014, 01:10:03 pm »
We have the scala G9 and I like it for most things. I primarily use it for music and cell phone commuting back and forth to work. I have it paired with my IPhone so I get my music, my GPS App and phone all in one pairing. My Lifeproof case and Ram XGrip mount means it's right in front of me in rain or shine. It was thoroughly tested at the rally in those two downpours we rode through. Sound quality is excellent when as one previous poster said you get the speakers in the right place. Pretty much touching your ears dead center. Too high or low and they become annoying.

There is one thing I wish they had which apparently as previous posts the Sena does. The Mrs and I can't listen to music and talk at the same time and we can't share music. That is the only downside for the G9's. Apparently the G9X's fixed that?

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Re: New to touring and intercom
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2014, 01:11:57 pm »
The 9x will music share.
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