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No power for GPS
« on: February 23, 2018, 11:34:17 pm »
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Again, I've got no power to my GPS. No blown fuse like previously. All fuses good. New GPS. Works fine in car. No illumination on the bulb for the plug in on the GPS cord.

I know I'll probably have to go into the plastic on the right side
Anyone had similar experience with the OEM power outlet giving up? What to look for? I have warranty until Sept 2018 but hate to have to take it to a dealer. Bike is 2013 with 25K now. Bike runs great. No other issues.

I hate electrical stuff!  >:(

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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2018, 11:46:51 pm »
I had a similar intermittent issue, turned out to be the accessory relay, hand written note in my shop manual shows part # 115706, not sure but I think that is correct.  Replaced and never occurred again.
 

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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2018, 11:36:52 am »
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Again, I've got no power to my GPS. No blown fuse like previously. All fuses good. New GPS. Works fine in car. No illumination on the bulb for the plug in on the GPS cord.

I know I'll probably have to go into the plastic on the right side
Anyone had similar experience with the OEM power outlet giving up? What to look for? I have warranty until Sept 2018 but hate to have to take it to a dealer. Bike is 2013 with 25K now. Bike runs great. No other issues.

I hate electrical stuff!  >:(


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Where is the power connected ?

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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2018, 02:49:28 pm »
JTX,

power is connected at the pwr outlet on the right side of the dash on the C14.

My three different GPSs work in the car, no power indicated when connected to bike.

I'll be looking under dash later.

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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2018, 03:04:06 pm »
Some of my cig lighter electrical plugs (SENA) don't work on the cig port on the right for some reason, others do though. Can you hard wire it?
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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2018, 05:12:45 pm »
Could be a dumb question, but did you turn the bike on?
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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2018, 06:12:33 pm »
JTX,

power is connected at the pwr outlet on the right side of the dash on the C14.

My three different GPSs work in the car, no power indicated when connected to bike.

I'll be looking under dash later.

Phil


I think that cig plug is the accessory circuit? I'm guessing off hand I dont know for sure.


Did you use a volt meter and check it and double check the fuse under the seat?


And as someone said, its ignition controlled.

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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2018, 06:25:23 pm »
  I've had trouble with the power outlet on the dash when trying to use it for the GPS. There isn't enough power to that outlet so I hard wired it direct from the battery and now the GPS works without a hick-up.
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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2018, 02:00:48 am »
  I've had trouble with the power outlet on the dash when trying to use it for the GPS. There isn't enough power to that outlet so I hard wired it direct from the battery and now the GPS works without a hick-up.
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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2018, 06:53:13 am »
Depending on what year the bike is 10 amp (Gen-1) or 5 amp (Gen-2). Someone correct me if this is incorrect.
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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2018, 11:33:25 am »
Depending on what year the bike is 10 amp (Gen-1) or 5 amp (Gen-2). Someone correct me if this is incorrect.

The wiring diagrams show that they are, indeed fused that way. :)
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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2018, 12:58:02 pm »
Depending on what year the bike is 10 amp (Gen-1) or 5 amp (Gen-2). Someone correct me if this is incorrect.

Quite correct, at least for the Gen-2. I changed the wiring after the PO messed it up trying to jump start the bike there... (don't ask), now I have 10 amps there! :)
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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2018, 01:45:35 pm »
Was talking with Rock about this yesterday. Anybody know WHICH relay is the one controlling the Accessory circuit? There are several and I can't tell from the wiring schematic.
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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2018, 12:38:23 am »
Was talking with Rock about this yesterday. Anybody know WHICH relay is the one controlling the Accessory circuit? There are several and I can't tell from the wiring schematic.
Thanks.




From my 2015 manual it looks like on top of the tank under the plastic cover, if you are sitting on it, the relay farthest to the right is the accessory relay.

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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2018, 01:26:10 am »
Thanks.
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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2018, 01:41:05 am »
All:

Thanks for the responses. Yes, power/key was on. Both GPSs I have work in my car but not on bike. Used meter this afternoon and no juice showing.

Wiring behind the plug-in on dash seems to be fine. I reached in with my hand and could feel two wires that seemed to be connected well to the back of the power port, whatever it's called.

Next step I think will be going the relay route. Also, the 5 amp fuse looks fine. I've switched out with a new one, same result. I put in a 7.5 fuse, same response. From my mechanic in Atl, says not much power being used by the pwer plug-in for GPS, so look at the relay. And buy a spare.  :great:

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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2018, 04:55:49 am »
The relay doesn't care how much power is being used. It is either on or off as controlled by the coil. It's a simple switch turned on and off by electricity rather mechanically. Before you spend the money for a new one test the control circuit to insure it is in fact getting power. I'd hate to see you replace the relay only to discover the coil wasn't getting power or the relay contacts weren't getting power.
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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2018, 09:31:57 am »
Some of my cig lighter electrical plugs (SENA) don't work on the cig port on the right for some reason, others do though. Can you hard wire it?


I think I would try another plug and/or accessory as an easy check.  Maybe use your phone charger to ensure that the circuit works.
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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2018, 01:09:08 am »
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As usually the case in my experience with bikes, a problem has a basic simple solution. My GPS was not getting power. The 5 amp fuse for the accessory fuse had blown, we're talking the plug in power port on the right side of the dash for my 2013 C14. Looking back into Dec I tried using an air compressor, don't know its rating, got it a Home Depot, but small for around the house stuff. I pumped up my front tire on the bike and then it quit.

Found the fuse had blown. Replaced fuse, still no power. I've let it go until I recently bought a new gps and wanted it on the bike. No power. Short story, I moved the mini blade 5 amp fuse in its holder a little bit to its right - it's the only really small fuse in the fuse block. It's listed for "Accessory" Low and behold I now have power.

Even more interesting is that the idea came to me in a dream last night! :)
So far it's working, went for a 30 mile ride and used afterburner (thanks Steve's flash) and all is well.  ;)

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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2018, 01:17:59 am »
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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2018, 02:24:58 pm »
On a related problem; My GPS looses power when plugged into the Cig Lighter.
   Vibrates out and looses electrical contact.
Jim and I did a COG road repair and it worked.
Thought I'd post it here as it might help others..

We temporarily fixed my problem; by pulling/stretching the rubber cap out slightly and wrapping a piece of electrical tape around the cap and the GPS plug.
The stretched rubber holds the plug in against the contacts, and no more loose plug.
Hope this helps someone...

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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2018, 04:38:36 pm »
I had the same issue with the OEM lighter socket.   I put a zip tie around the vent holes just above it and let the tail of the tie hang down in the hole.  Now anything I plug into it is tight and stays connected.   I love .01c fixes.
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Re: No power for GPS
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2018, 08:30:35 pm »
FWIW, I installed the Rowe PDM60 on my 2015 Connie.  It works great and I liked it so much I bought two more, one for my 2016 KLR650 and one for my 2009 Polaris 850XP.  No fuses to blow and 100% user configurable...  I’m very rough on my toys and have not had any issues with all three installs.  For the Connie, I installed it on the right side of the fuel tank under the fairing with industrial velcro.  May be overkill for what you are doing but I no longer have any power distribution issues with any of my toys.