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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2012, 05:14:09 pm »
Pain in the butt to cancel the signals?  :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Oh boy, how do you manage to get them going in the first place?
Push to Cancel has been standard on all sensible motorcycles for ages.
Even BMW finally gave up on their stupid system to go with PtC switches.
If you need a Self Canceling signal, then how on earth do you find the energy to press the starter button?  :motonoises:

Now, if you are like most people who ask for self cancelers it is REALLY because you are crap at turning them off, as in too forgetful!
The only cure for that is discipline and practice.
One of these days the car in front of you will stop and you'll forget to brake.   :-\ :-[ :rotflmao:


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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2012, 07:46:17 pm »
    I have both self canceling and manual canceling signals on my bikes. Both work fine and have advantages. Just to note I have never had any trouble with the self canceling signals on the Mean Streak ever. And at times they are really great. The problems arises when you go from one bike to the other. You have to rember to actually cancel the signals after riding the Vulcan for a while. And when you first start riding the Vulcan, you find yourself canceling signals that you don't need to.
    Like I said, I never had trouble of any kind with either. But I have at times forgot to cancel signals on the manual cancel bikes. On the Mean Streak, it's never a problem riding with the signals flashing until you look down a mile of two down the road. But it can turn them off too quickly sometimes. But like a lot of things on these bikes, they are unnecessary. That's the reason why Kawasaki should put them on the C14. Like other unneeded systems on the bike. They would fit in nicely with Kawasaki's attempt to try to catch up to BMW with unnecessary B.S. on the bike.  ;)

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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2012, 05:18:02 pm »
I had a Honda Shadow way back when, and I ended up building a little buzzer circuit, and hid the whole thing in my headlight bucket.  It worked fine, because I could hear it. 

Here's the schematic:
http://www.rattlebars.com/mtz/buzzer2.gif

I think I'll do this again on a rainy day...it was easy enough, and very inexpensive.
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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2012, 10:53:27 pm »
I had a Honda Shadow way back when, and I ended up building a little buzzer circuit, and hid the whole thing in my headlight bucket.  It worked fine, because I could hear it. 

Here's the schematic:
http://www.rattlebars.com/mtz/buzzer2.gif

I think I'll do this again on a rainy day...it was easy enough, and very inexpensive.


They should install that in all the cars in Florida!  OMG!  You can't tell what anyone is doing down there with the folks who leave the left turn signal on all the time to the ones who thinks turn signals are only a courtesy to the ones who turn them on and then they don't turn.

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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2012, 11:03:58 pm »
Dont even get me started!!!  An entire week up in the NC mountains with no traffic and no close calls...I get back home, get off the turnpike, and a van tries to run me over racing to the right turn lane.  Of course nobody was behind me...

Then two blocks later a Zombie (old person) decides he wants to be in my lane, and just goes with no signal and not looking.  So old that he can't swivel his head to look. 

So I saw both using my "Spidey Sense" and got away OK...

Memorial Day morning my wife decides we should take a ride to the beach...again, we're the only people on the road 1/4 mile in front and behind, and another Zombie comes up behind us in the right lane, and decides to merge left as he caught up to us.  I honk, my wife flips him off...and he rolls down the window and says he's sorry - HE DIDN'T SEE US!  He just F$%cking passed us!!!!  We were the only other vehicle on the road!

I'm telling you...if my house could be sold at a profit, I'd be packing right now...  It's unreal.  Tomorrow I'm buying a hi-viz jacket, and there's absolutely no good time to skip ATGATT.
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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2012, 11:57:30 pm »
This has been my pet peeve on the FJR and now this bike. It boggles the mind that both manufacturers have the technology and use it on their other bikes. I'll trade you a set of four way flashers and an adjustable shield for a self-cancelling turn signal. From a safety standpoint, it just makes no sense not to have it.
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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2012, 12:13:18 pm »
I don't have a problem anymore. when I first got the concours I always left them on, but the dash turn signal indicator is bright enough that it does get your attention after a short time. A friend with a Honda ST1300 mounted small bright red LED on the dash to remind him. After 26 years on 6 different Gold Wings with self cancelling turn signals it was hard to remember to do it.
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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2012, 01:20:08 pm »
+100 on having one bike (Voyager XII) with self cancel and another without (C10) and forgetting to turn off the manuals.  I really liked the self cancel - no worries about leaving it on - and if it goes off too quick, just hold the button L or R until you're done.

I put a signal minder on the C10.  It was annoyingly loud.  So I taped off part of the opening - still audible at highway speeds and still loud.

I hated the thing sitting at a light waiting for green.  So I integrated a relay from the brake light to turn it off when brake light was on.

Still didn't like it as it would start beeping as soon as you release the brake to get under way. 

Distracting because of the noise, and thinking about turning the thing off right away at a time when your attention shouldn't be diverted (left turns especially).

Its still on the bike . . . . but disconnected.  Don't have the Voyager anymore to confuse me so I am a lot better at remembering now.
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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2012, 03:34:17 pm »
I really hate pushing the button in when I am done turning.  :)) Or could it be a short turn memory problem? :-[ :-[ :-[ :truce:
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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2012, 05:44:54 pm »
For a reminder beeper/buzzer, this one works:

http://www.cog-online.org/clubportal/clubstatic.cfm?clubID=1328&pubmenuoptID=29655

Although - getting to the turn sig wiring on the C14 is more labor intensive than the C10 was...  :(

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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2012, 02:10:49 pm »
Thanks!  Wiring in a little audible reminder is a useful suggestion.  I think I might take that idea and wire in an additional light that is actually in my field of vision.  Maybe something that just reflects off of the windscreen for a heads up display.
Hmmm, me likey. 

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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2012, 04:31:58 pm »
If I could get my hands on the service manual for the Kawasaki Mean Streak, I could look at the wire diagram for it and probably figure out what parts to order to convert the C14 so it worked the same way as the Mean Streak does.

I went to the fiche for the mean streak and tried to see if I could find out how it was done but didn't find anything obvious. I'd need to examine the wire diagram to really understand it. My guess is that whatever parts the Mean Streak uses could be adapted to work on the Concours.
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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2012, 05:26:52 pm »
I had the self cancel on my Goldwing before I traded it in for my '09 3 years ago and I do not miss it.

Actually was more of a pain in the a**, as if you turned it on to soon it would cancel before you made the turn.

I guess I don't undertand, it is so simple to put on and even simpler to just push to cancel and your thumb is right there anyway.

In my opinion there is to much electronics on the bike already. Remember they charge more of those things also.  Why add something else.  The only thing I would like to see is a factory cruise control, depending on how much extra it will cost.

My other pet peeve is the new ones have linked braking but that is something else.

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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2012, 08:14:26 pm »
I just took at look at the wire diagram of the Kawasaki Mean Streak. They use a special Turn Signal Control Relay that is supplied a speed input signal from the meter panel that provides a 12 to 0 volt square wave. The turn signal relay then simply shuts off after a pre programmed period of time. Its a bit more than just a standard relay, since it obviously has some internal circuit to trigger it off based on distance from the speedo signal pulses.

I'd have to check the output of the C14 speedo signal to see if it provides the proper voltage levels. If it does, I suspect you could just order the turn signal relay for a Mean Streak and then do a little creative wiring and then you'd have self canceling signals on the C14.

If/when I get time, I'll try to dig into this a bit more and see if it can easily be done. I've found the Mean Streak Turn Signal Relay on-line for about $60. (PN 27002-1113 from a 2006 VN1600)
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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2012, 02:19:14 pm »
I appreciate guys like Fred who make the time and effort to come up with solutions for ideas posted in this forum.  Thanks Fred!

Obviously there are people out there who think anyone who can't remember to turn off their own turn signal is a moron.  They think self canceling turn signals is a dumb idea for dumb $h1t$.  That is fine,  that is what I call myself when I look down and my turn signal has been on for the last mile.  :-[.   

I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as the other censorious, self-righteous posters here.

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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2012, 02:49:32 pm »
I just took at look at the wire diagram of the Kawasaki Mean Streak. They use a special Turn Signal Control Relay that is supplied a speed input signal from the meter panel that provides a 12 to 0 volt square wave. The turn signal relay then simply shuts off after a pre programmed period of time. Its a bit more than just a standard relay, since it obviously has some internal circuit to trigger it off based on distance from the speedo signal pulses.

I'd have to check the output of the C14 speedo signal to see if it provides the proper voltage levels. If it does, I suspect you could just order the turn signal relay for a Mean Streak and then do a little creative wiring and then you'd have self canceling signals on the C14.

If/when I get time, I'll try to dig into this a bit more and see if it can easily be done. I've found the Mean Streak Turn Signal Relay on-line for about $60. (PN 27002-1113 from a 2006 VN1600)

Just wondering, does this relay cancel after reaching a threshold speed or is there a time component that would cancel it after travelling a set distance?
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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2012, 03:33:29 pm »
 

I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as the other censorious, self-righteous posters here.

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I had to look that one up...

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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2012, 12:23:31 am »
Just wondering, does this relay cancel after reaching a threshold speed or is there a time component that would cancel it after travelling a set distance?

From what I have read in the Mean Streak manual, it cancels based on distance traveled, which can be easily calculated via the speedo pulse count.
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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #43 on: June 14, 2012, 01:59:36 pm »
Thanks!  Wiring in a little audible reminder is a useful suggestion.  I think I might take that idea and wire in an additional light that is actually in my field of vision.  Maybe something that just reflects off of the windscreen for a heads up display.
Hmmm, me likey. 

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I'm puzzled by this idea. Doesn't your dash already have green lights that flash when the turn signals are on?
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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2012, 12:20:49 pm »
Count me in the camp of 2 bikes. My Mean Streak does it when I forget and yes I do forget.

At 6' 4 I am a bit too tall and the Lil Green light just a hair under my vision field w/o looking down which I am def not doing when I am accelerating and looking up the new road.

Got My new Scala G9 and paired with my buddy Memorial day weekend in Chicago. His Victory Cross Country Tour def has Self Cancel. About the 2 nd time I forgot to cancel while dealing with Sunday am drivers he said "Hey Blinker Boy turn em off" Not sure I got any better that trip or any subsequent but I am trying.

Thanks for looking that up on the Mean Streak circuit. Would like to see if I can accomplish that mod this winter when I have it apart to add the Fuseblock and accessories.

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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2012, 12:01:10 pm »
FWIW, I use one of these on my VStrom. It works really well and installing the electronic part  is no big deal, but the turn signal switch has to be spring loaded to make it pop back to the center position. To do this, I had to disassemble the signal switch. The springs are TINY and it takes a bit of trial and error to set them correctly, but it has been a good farkle. The springs are included in the kit.

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Re: self cancel turn signal
« Reply #46 on: June 19, 2012, 04:21:08 pm »
Someone at the rally had installed a custom reminder that gave a little vibration to the seat when the turn signal was on.
Though ... I'm not sure if that would actually get me to turn the signal off. I may just wind up leaving it on all the time for the little thrill.
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