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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2017, 09:20:08 pm »
Patrick,
    Thanks, but I have the instructions.  There is an orange wire in the right handle bar control for the hazard switch but not in the left turn signal switch; that wire is Green/Red  Have you installed the STS module in your bike?  If so, what year?  Does your bike flash the turn signals twice when the power is turned on as part of the self diagnostic?  I have almost had my fill of theory, i'm hoping to talk to someone who has actually done it on the current model Concours. I don't believe anyone at STS has.

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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2017, 09:27:55 pm »
Craig,

I haven't installed it yet.  Have been caught up with too many other things.  I will try to tackle it within a couple of weeks and see if it makes sense.  I have an 09 ABS.  If you get her fixed please report back on this thread.  I'll be following it....at least until I get mine installed.


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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2017, 09:38:48 pm »
Do the turn signals blink twice on your '09 when you turn the power on?  If wondering whether or not that might be interfering with the STS units ability to interface with the bike. 
  Send me your email and I'll forward a copy of the full 15 page installation manual. Its at my office. When you get ready to tackle it I did learn a thing or two about the switch modification.

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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2017, 07:30:33 pm »
Patrick,
    Thanks, but I have the instructions.  There is an orange wire in the right handle bar control for the hazard switch but not in the left turn signal switch; that wire is Green/Red  Have you installed the STS module in your bike?  If so, what year?  Does your bike flash the turn signals twice when the power is turned on as part of the self diagnostic?  I have almost had my fill of theory, i'm hoping to talk to someone who has actually done it on the current model Concours. I don't believe anyone at STS has.
Just pm'd you this information.  If you picked the wires on the opposite side of the connector you would see that the orange wire connects to the Red/Green wire per the wiring diagram for the left switch. 
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 07:51:19 pm by AmphibSailor »


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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2017, 08:01:23 pm »
I checked Patrick's wiring diagram against the one from my 2010 service manual and he is correct.

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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2017, 08:01:47 pm »
If you used the red/green wire in lieu of the orange, it should work anyway. :great:

Wire to motorcycle
  Yellow to gray
  Blue to red/green (orange)
  green to green

Wire to turn signal switch
  white to gray
  brown to red/green (orange)
  purple to green


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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2017, 06:35:15 am »
Kawasaki GTR1400.
2014 Model
Time taken:- Under 1 hour

Fitting of system.

I have to say the task was much easier than anticipated. The left hand fairing has a glove box sunk into it and once removed there is ample space to get to the plug required to make connections. Once unplugged and unclipped from the frame the cable is long enough to pass beyond the fairing.

Finding the appropriate cables to cut is fairly simple as long as you follow the Kawasaki wiring diagram readily available online. I suggest redrawing your own installation diagram before starting the job.

Although there is an accessory plug that may be suitable as a power supply, I decided connect to  up to a switched live for the lights as described in the installation instructions. I used a multi-meter during the process to ensure I was connecting to the correct cables. I also decided to use grease filled connectors rather than the terminal plugs provided. Just for extra water tightness. One tip I can provide. Do not cut the cables too close to the plug as this makes connection a bit difficult.

The control unit has been cable tied to the air intake hose and placed as level as is possible. The unit is slightly visible from the rider position but really does not look out of place.

The installation of the small rubber inserts into the switch gear was very easy. However, while road testing the bike I found that right hand indication would sometimes not work unless the indicator switch was pushed hard. Left was fine so I quickly surmised that the rubber plug was slightly too thick. I removed this and trimmed it by 1mm using a scalpel. Once replaced, the right hand indicator worked perfectly.

When taking your bike for an MOT I suggest informing your motorcycle test station that cancelling the indicator now requires a second press in the same direction. They may try to press the button which of course does not operate anymore.

Further road testing has proved the system is working perfectly. I am very happy with the new turn system and would highly recommend it to anyone.


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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2017, 12:54:59 am »
My installation took more than an hour ... much more.  I was chasing a malfunction and communicating with Mark at STS daily by email.  STS ended up sending me a new unit, which when plugged in functioned flawlessly, cancelling the turn signal as the system recognized the motorcycle "righting" itself after being leaned into a turn or after making a pass.
   If I may back up for a minute. Although STS timely shipped my unit it got lost in the mail, ending up bouncing (literally) around the Miami FL suburbs for a month, finally reaching me in Iowa approximately 30 days later. Maybe the beating the US Post Office gave it for a month negatively affected it.
   When I began my installation, I modified the switch first. When you take apart the left hand switch housing there is a small steel hook held on by the lower screw which holds the single cable tight to the handle bar.  It's easy to lose.  Once you have the switch housing apart take out the two screws holding the turn signal switch in place. You don't need to take the switch apart any further.  On the bottom of the switch is a sliding white plastic block.  You need to put in a piece of dense foam rubber on each side of the block.  The rubber pads that come with the STS unit are too thick, even the smaller ones.  You want to cut them down to about 1/16"or use something else.  I used a single 1/16" thick self adhesive black foam rubber pad about 3/8" diameter, cut in half.  (The pads are used on the bottom of jewelry boxes or other small dresser furniture).  The switch works perfectly and the adhesive holds the pad in place.
    After the switch was back together I wanted to look for a "factory" location for the STS unit.  On my 2010 there is a 1/2" vertical foam rubber strip about 2" high holding four relays in place just forward of the gas tank.  There is room (space) between the middle two relays to mount the STS unit.  Using the STS unit as a template cut a 3-sided square opening in the foam rubber toward the right side of the space and loop the STS wiring out the back and back around to the left of the STS unit.  There is actually a semicircular cutout in the foam rubber that is just the right size. Mount the STS unit to the bike frame using 3M Dual Lock Velcro Strips, then screw the vertical foam rubber strip back in place.
    The connector you are looking for is underneath the left side glove box. Take the glove box out.  I also took off the left side inside faring cover which holds the glove box in place.  There is a black soft plastic protective wiring cover under, and to the front of, where the glove box would sit.  The connector you want is inside it.  Unplug it.  You are going to work with the male plugin side of the connector. The three wires you are looking for are R/G (red/green) that's your common+ wire, the gray wire - right hand turn signal and green wire - left hand turn signal. Peel back the black plastic protective wiring loom sheath.  About 4" down from the connector clip the R/G, Green and Gray wires. Starting from the connector: Connect the Green wire to the STS green wire; connect the blue wire to the STS yellow wire; connect the R/G wire to the STS blue wire.  Connect the Red to a switched hot (I ran a switched hot from the accessory fuse block I installed underneath the seat) and connect the black to a ground. Turn on the bike and wait 10 seconds - then run a test wire from the STS brown wire to the STS purple wire.  Your right turn signals should start flashing.  Assuming the right turn signals flash, take out your test wire and connect the the remaining cut wires (turn signal switch side) to the STS unit:  Green to Purple STS; R/G to Brown STS; and Gray to White STS.  Turn the unit back on and push the turn signal left. If it flashes, you are in good shape. Push left again and if it stops flashing, you are done.  I used the factory supplied connectors, but if I had it to do over again (and I may redo the connections) I would use posi-taps and posi-lock connectors. I just didn't have enough of the right size on hand. http://www.posi-products.com/posiplug.html
The STS module works as advertised and I believe I will be the safer because of it.
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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2017, 02:26:54 am »
Just my opinion, I've only had one bike with self cancelling signals, my Yamaha Raider, and I really didn't care for it.
I'd constantly catch myself watching to make sure it shut off, or I'd just manually shut the signals off.