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Self canceling turn signals
« on: July 25, 2017, 08:19:16 pm »
For the eight years I have been riding my '08 C14 I have used a Kriss turn signal cancellation unit.  It's cost is $129 but not really worth it as it only does a half-assed job.  After either signal blinks 15 time, the signal ceases.  If while it is blinking you activate the brakes the signal will continue to blink and reset itself to 15 blinks before cancellation.  The trouble is the signal is merely cancelled by the unit while the turn signal switch remains in either left or right position.  After every turn signal use you must manually reset the switch.  Not much of a product but it has had no competition until recently. 

http://www.kriss.com/tscancel.php

The new kid on the block is a real winner.  It's an electronic unit that is the result of efforts expended by four Slovenian motorcycle enthusiasts with a knowledge of modern electronics.  They have created a wonderful product that actually turns the signals off after completion of a turn and even a lane change on the freeway.  No counting blinks.  This unit has sensors that somehow know when to turn the blinkers off, left or right turns and freeway lane changes.  It is perfect and far surpasses any motorcycle turn signal cancellation unit, stock or after-market.  I suggest you peruse the following link to read about it and to see a video.  The price is €149.00 or $168 at the current exchange rate.  I rate it equal to the claims by both the manufacturer and by users of the product.  All of which are accurate but can be seen as raves.  The item is deserving of raves.  I endorse it wholeheartedly and consider it well worth the money.
 
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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2017, 08:26:52 pm »
useful stuff.  adaptable for other models, I presume?

my Vulcan Classic and Nomad both had cancelling turn signals and I've often wondered why they did not carry them to other models.
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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2017, 08:45:57 pm »
I just purchased a 2014 VFR800 Deluxe with self-cancelling turn signals. It has its flaws, like it turns off after sitting at a light to long(I'm going to have to see if it is after so many blinks), does not work for lane change, does not work all of the time. I find myself cancelling it on my own out of habit 90% of the time, but I am finding it to be a nice feature.

If this Smart Turn System works as advertised I'd say I may have to buy it for the C14.

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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2017, 10:57:37 pm »
I use this for about $6. http://www.cog-online.org/clubportal/clubstatic.cfm?clubID=1328&pubmenuoptID=29655

It's perfect (tho it can't always be heard at hiiiiiiiway speeds).  Thanks COG.   :)
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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2017, 04:09:01 am »
If.I have to get to the point, where I need something to turn a signal that I manually actuated, off... I better give up using anything electrical, or driving.

I mean, I constantly scan my mirrors, and gauge cluster.. if the signal is flashing, I turn it off, I also am quite used to turning the signal off after turning, or changing lanes..
I dunno, I call it paying attention.

But I'm oldnschool..

Then again, for about $10 you can get a "buzzer" and dig a hole in the foam in the seat, under your butt, and wire it into the signal circuit...
And all the time the signal is "flashing" you will get a "tactile" reminder of "hey, butt hole, your signal is flashing" litterally, not figuratively speaking... :rotflmao:

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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2017, 07:00:32 pm »
Quote
Then again, for about $10 you can get a "buzzer" and dig a hole in the foam in the seat, under your butt, and wire it into the signal circuit...
And all the time the signal is "flashing" you will get a "tactile" reminder of "hey, butt hole, your signal is flashing" litterally, not figuratively speaking... :rotflmao:
Then you might find your bike constantly being borrowed by ladies and in need of frequent light bulb replacement.  ;)

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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2017, 07:21:09 pm »
All kidding aside, I did have a chance to see a bike with the buzzer seat mod at the '14 national rally, and have to say, it did work... and yes, it drew attention from the wives, who made more jokes about it than the guys did.... :rotflmao: :great:

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Re: Self canceling turn signals
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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2017, 11:58:00 pm »
That's my bike Speed I Pus Rex. I vibrator is out of one of those seat pads
that will massage you while you set on it. I have had a lot of fun with the
seat. I just found 3 or 4 of the vibrator motors so I may do a few more seats.

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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2017, 12:09:13 am »
That's my bike Speed I Pus Rex. I vibrator is out of one of those seat pads
that will massage you while you set on it. I have had a lot of fun with the
seat. I just found 3 or 4 of the vibrator motors so I may do a few more seats.

I wasn't going to name you, because of being a friend... but now you let
 The cat outta the bag..
It di give a very consitant "turn the signals off...man" feed back, for certain.
( I secretly hotwired your bike in the middle of the night, turned on the four way falshers, and had the waitress from the hotel we stayed in sitting there...not)

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It is a cool farkle.

But that is a C10 farkle, and should be......
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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2017, 12:50:21 am »
It works as advertised.  I have it on my C14 and will never have another motorcycle without this excellent product installed and operating.  That's the highest endorsement I can offer.

I just purchased a 2014 VFR800 Deluxe with self-cancelling turn signals. It has its flaws, like it turns off after sitting at a light to long(I'm going to have to see if it is after so many blinks), does not work for lane change, does not work all of the time. I find myself cancelling it on my own out of habit 90% of the time, but I am finding it to be a nice feature.

If this Smart Turn System works as advertised I'd say I may have to buy it for the C14.

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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2017, 12:57:40 am »
I'm with MOB, I scan all my gauges and dash and pretty aware of having to turn my signals off after completing a turn & changing lanes. IMHO, it may seem useful but for that price you're better off doing running lights and the LED enhancing mods and just learning how to turn off signals by instinct.
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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2017, 03:33:22 am »
I'm with MOB, I scan all my gauges and dash and pretty aware of having to turn my signals off after completing a turn & changing lanes. IMHO, it may seem useful but for that price you're better off doing running lights and the LED enhancing mods and just learning how to turn off signals by instinct.

Yah, but I've already done those....(other mods).

Seriously, why not do it.  I'd rather have it and not need it then the other way around. 

I'm pretty conscientious about turning my signals off, too, but the one time that I forget... :o


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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2017, 01:02:04 pm »
Man Of Blues that explains the hypnotize waitress that was setting
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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2017, 01:40:32 pm »
Yeah, that is the real problem with all those 'systems' that prevent mistakes..... making a mistake anyway. Airline pilots and surgeons try really, really, REALLY to prevent mistakes, and have an entire system in place as well as others to help them and yet, every now and again, something tumbles out of the sky or a patient has the working leg amputated, etc. I try to be vigilant too but that a system that prevents a turn signal from blinking for 14 miles is always welcome.

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Yah, but I've already done those....(other mods).

Seriously, why not do it.  I'd rather have it and not need it then the other way around. 

I'm pretty conscientious about turning my signals off, too, but the one time that I forget... :o
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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2017, 02:35:55 pm »
It works as advertised.  I have it on my C14 and will never have another motorcycle without this excellent product installed and operating.  That's the highest endorsement I can offer.



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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2017, 03:08:20 pm »
Besides plug & play, any install feedback & photos to share as well?

It works as advertised.  I have it on my C14 and will never have another motorcycle without this excellent product installed and operating.  That's the highest endorsement I can offer.



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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2017, 10:58:37 pm »
Here is a link to a PDF of the installation manual.

https://www.safer-turn.com/installation/


And here is a video of a guy doing an install and a test drive.

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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2017, 03:22:13 am »
You're "old school", so be it.  I am 76 and always pay strict attention to whatever I'm doing.  However, paying strict attention is variable according to the task at hand.  If I'm poking along within the speed limit and there isn't a herd of traffic around me I have plenty of time to constantly monitor my gauge cluster and anything else on the dash.  Trouble is, I live in the country and still ride and drive very fast.  I never go anywhere on the Kawasaki and fail to exceed 90 mph.  At high speed my focus is centered on what is truly important, riding the bike safely.  Paying attention to the instrument cluster and and anything else on the dash while going fast is not going to happen as one covers a hell of a lot of ground in the short time it takes to take in the events on the dash.  I much prefer my attention remain on my riding as grave injury can result if I miss something while gawking at the dash.

As for canceling the turn signals manually, we're all pretty good at it.  Probably 95 to 99% of the time we remember and turn it off.  However, the very occasional time we forget can result in one Elmer Grope in his Cadillac running one's a** over because he thought you were going to turn.  Take a ride with me sometime Mr. Man Of Blues and I guarantee you won't be paying strict attention to what is happening on the dash.

If.I have to get to the point, where I need something to turn a signal that I manually actuated, off... I better give up using anything electrical, or driving.

I mean, I constantly scan my mirrors, and gauge cluster.. if the signal is flashing, I turn it off, I also am quite used to turning the signal off after turning, or changing lanes..
I dunno, I call it paying attention.

But I'm oldnschool..

Then again, for about $10 you can get a "buzzer" and dig a hole in the foam in the seat, under your butt, and wire it into the signal circuit...
And all the time the signal is "flashing" you will get a "tactile" reminder of "hey, butt hole, your signal is flashing" litterally, not figuratively speaking... :rotflmao:

Ride safe, and save $$$  gas costs a lot. Spend money on gas and tires... :beerchug: :great: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2017, 11:41:46 pm »
I bought this originally for my C10 and when it got taken out I puller it before the ins company took possession.  Contacted KISSAN and got the adapter to fit the C14. 

The two faults I have found have already been mentioned... timing out at a light and having to cancel it after every use.  If I remember from the C10 install you are suppose to take apart the turn signal switch and install a supplied spring and ball bearing if I remember correctly..... I have yet to do either bike.  9 times out of 10 I cancel the turn signals manually but that 10th time I forget I appreciate the Signalminder.

Since I already own it (from the C10) I will use it.  this new option is about $225 CAD.... a little pricey for my liking.
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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2017, 06:40:44 pm »
 Any mod or oem system may not be perfect and you have another critique.
 My 85 V65 Sabre has self cancel turn signals.
 The criticism is not staying on but turning off early.

 The system has two modes that keep the turn signal operating.
 1) below 35 mph
 2/ angle sensor in steering senses the forks turned ( can't recall the degrees)
 So far so good.

 Above 35 mph the timer shuts off after about 7 seconds. So it often turns off before the turn.

 Mainly it does not allow the signal to keep flashing so basic mission accomplished!
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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2017, 06:47:33 pm »
My 83 (yes 35 year ago motorcycle technology) had self canceling turn signals too.  Guess the course could get that either due to the battery! LOL
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Re: STS - Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2017, 05:51:28 pm »
Bud,
    I have a non-ABS 2010 Concours 14.  I bought the STS module a few months ago and have had no success wiring in to my Concours.  My email communications with STS have been fruitless. Could you please advise (or better yet, provide pictures) of what wires (color etc) you cut/connected to get the STS module to function properly. My turn signal switch has Green - R/G - Gray (left - common hot - right). Please feel free to post a response, email or call me. My personal email is
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Re: STS - Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2017, 06:31:43 pm »
Attached are the instructions.  Not sure if you were missing them or they weren't clear.  The instructions mention Kawasaki colors as Gray, Orange, Green.  Do you not have the orange wire?

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Bud,
    I have a non-ABS 2010 Concours 14.  I bought the STS module a few months ago and have had no success wiring in to my Concours.  My email communications with STS have been fruitless. Could you please advise (or better yet, provide pictures) of what wires (color etc) you cut/connected to get the STS module to function properly. My turn signal switch has Green - R/G - Gray (left - common hot - right). Please feel free to post a response, email or call me. My personal email is
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Re: Self canceling turn signals
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2017, 06:42:18 pm »
You're "old school", so be it.  I am 76 and always pay strict attention to whatever I'm doing.  However, paying strict attention is variable according to the task at hand.  If I'm poking along within the speed limit and there isn't a herd of traffic around me I have plenty of time to constantly monitor my gauge cluster and anything else on the dash.  Trouble is, I live in the country and still ride and drive very fast.  I never go anywhere on the Kawasaki and fail to exceed 90 mph.  At high speed my focus is centered on what is truly important, riding the bike safely.  Paying attention to the instrument cluster and and anything else on the dash while going fast is not going to happen as one covers a hell of a lot of ground in the short time it takes to take in the events on the dash.  I much prefer my attention remain on my riding as grave injury can result if I miss something while gawking at the dash.

As for canceling the turn signals manually, we're all pretty good at it.  Probably 95 to 99% of the time we remember and turn it off.  However, the very occasional time we forget can result in one Elmer Grope in his Cadillac running one's a** over because he thought you were going to turn.  Take a ride with me sometime Mr. Man Of Blues and I guarantee you won't be paying strict attention to what is happening on the dash.

If.I have to get to the point, where I need something to turn a signal that I manually actuated, off... I better give up using anything electrical, or driving.

I mean, I constantly scan my mirrors, and gauge cluster.. if the signal is flashing, I turn it off, I also am quite used to turning the signal off after turning, or changing lanes..
I dunno, I call it paying attention.

But I'm oldnschool..

Then again, for about $10 you can get a "buzzer" and dig a hole in the foam in the seat, under your butt, and wire it into the signal circuit...
And all the time the signal is "flashing" you will get a "tactile" reminder of "hey, butt hole, your signal is flashing" litterally, not figuratively speaking... :rotflmao:

Ride safe, and save $$$  gas costs a lot. Spend money on gas and tires... :beerchug: :great: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

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Thanx for the offer Bud, but don't see that ever happening.... riding with ya that is....
At 62 y.o., I think I've learned enough life lessons, and even tho I regularly blast some roads and sections at tripple digits, I don't make it a necessity, nor do I make it a habit of "everywhere I go I'm doing 90 mph"... so your explanation of not wanting to distract yourself by looking at gages periodically is kind of rediculous, ... deer, possums, rabbits, etc., don't give a hoot about a turn signal... and I doubt you do either at 90 mph....and using signals at that speed seems a bit redundant.... so why would you care if its on, or off?  At 90, tunnel vision, and target fixation are a reality, and peripheral vision, or lack of at speed begins to dissapear, creating a false sense of security... eyeball scanning is critical, and training your eyes to do it at speeds, even more necessary.
Having a light flashing on your dash, indicating the signal is on, should be visible... unlike the tire warning screen, the gray lcd one, saying "low tire presssure...20 psi", which these bikes have... expensive farkle if never used...
I know that every time I get my drivers license renewed, I have to take an eye test... and at least 4 times during that test, you must notify the testor if you see a small flashing light in some obscure corner of the screen... testing peripheral vision.... granted, you aren't moving at 90 mph during the eyetest, but if you can't notice the lights.... you don't get a license....
So drive it like you stole it, enjoy the rush, don't worry about who's behind you running you over because nobody is there, so signals eont apply at that speed...
Mirrors maybe, if you look at them, but those only matter if you see RED BLUE RED BLUE..... AND YOU WONT BE GETTING A PERFORMANCE AWARD FOR A SIGNAL, or not using one....
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