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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #75 on: March 14, 2013, 12:22:40 am »
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #76 on: March 17, 2013, 07:21:24 pm »
My ECU will be in Don's hands Monday afternoon. I want the secondies open, top speed limiter removed and clean up the fuel mapping.  :motonoises:

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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #77 on: March 17, 2013, 07:32:32 pm »
My ECU will be in Don's hands Monday afternoon. I want the secondies open, top speed limiter removed and clean up the fuel mapping.  :motonoises:

Nice! You will not be disappointed with the results. Its going to be amazing!!!  :motonoises:
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #78 on: March 18, 2013, 07:59:32 am »
Got mine back last Friday, haven't tested it yet, getting tired of the freakin snow!
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #79 on: March 20, 2013, 02:00:31 am »
Rich, send it to me, I'll test it for you. >:D
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #80 on: March 20, 2013, 10:58:06 am »
I ride by the Guhl shop all the time, since the shop is in my county and 20 miles away.  When I decide to jump, I’ll probably cage the ECU over in two trips, or see if he will let me pull it at the shop and flash it while I wait. 
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #81 on: March 20, 2013, 04:02:46 pm »
I ride by the Guhl shop all the time, since the shop is in my county and 20 miles away.  When I decide to jump, I’ll probably cage the ECU over in two trips, or see if he will let me pull it at the shop and flash it while I wait.

He can dyno it there.
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #82 on: March 20, 2013, 08:51:38 pm »
Tim, I'm holding out buddy! I know warm weather is on the way, it's just testing me >:( I'll just keep repeating, it's gonna get warm, it's gonna get warm..... >:D
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #83 on: March 20, 2013, 11:52:06 pm »
Yeah, it's slowly warming up in my neck of the woods even though it spit a little snow with the rain last night. Problem is I have 2 bikes tore apart right now. Still tinkering with the 900 and have the left side fairing off the Connie for fluid changes. I try to have only one bike tore apart at a time but I just had to try out the mityvac on brake and clutch fluids on the 14. I figure since I was in there all ready for the clutch I might as well drain the radiator flush and flush it again with distilled water it and go in with fresh antifreeze.
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #84 on: March 22, 2013, 04:39:16 am »
I ride by the Guhl shop all the time, since the shop is in my county and 20 miles away.  When I decide to jump, I’ll probably cage the ECU over in two trips, or see if he will let me pull it at the shop and flash it while I wait.

How come I don't have any cool motorcycle type shops 20 miles from me? :banghead: All I have is a Japanese powersport store (crummy) and a Harley shop (which I never go to any way)    ENVIOUS!!! :offtopic:
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #85 on: March 27, 2013, 11:23:38 am »
Got my ECU back, finished the Rostra install and a V&H CS One. Got to try them out on one ride. WoW!!!! I was intending to have it all done a month ago but work, grandkids and honey-do list intervened. Now I've got, fuse block, Top Box, and radio on the list. Wait a second, I'm starting to talk crazy like ZG.

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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2013, 11:36:20 am »
Nice! Iv got the V&H CSONE as well! It's awesome isn't it!!?!! At stop signs and red lights I find myself just twisting the throttle the entire time..... music to my ears!!! love it!!  :motonoises:  :motonoises:
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #87 on: March 27, 2013, 12:27:48 pm »
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I've heard of Brocks Performance via past threads on Guhl's work, but was nice to see a photo of the ECU with the Guhls Guts Sticker in the mag. Tweaks - rev limiter 500rpm higher, secondary throttle plates open sooner and numerous safety protocols....what ever that means. Like others I've seen, they also install a PCV on top of this.
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #88 on: March 27, 2013, 02:27:23 pm »
Got my ECU back, finished the Rostra install and a V&H CS One. Got to try them out on one ride. WoW!!!! I was intending to have it all done a month ago but work, grandkids and honey-do list intervened. Now I've got, fuse block, Top Box, and radio on the list. Wait a second, I'm starting to talk crazy like ZG.

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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #89 on: March 27, 2013, 05:51:12 pm »
I'm sure I'll get some flames on this (I'll live*) , but so far .....meh.

It's most likely my riding style, or lack there of, but.....
so far I'm thinking of the Emperor's clothes story. I couldn't be sure that they just didn't put
a GUTS sticker on it and send it back. That seems unlikely, but that's what my experience has been so far.
Perhaps my a** is dead? ( I had to say it before someone else did.)

I've read all the reviews, and I did seem to get the exact same great service that others did, Guhl called
me within 2 hours of the arrival of my ECU (according to FedEx tracking) and asked all the same questions. It was returned
quickly and there were no problems when installed and powered back up. I did get the momentary FI error that I read
everyone gets.  I declined on raising the rev limiter, I declined on raising/removing the speed limiter and I love the sound (quiet)
of my stock exhaust.   However, even with that, the earlier fly opening and improved fuel mapping should be easily noticeable, right?

I just returned from a COG ride in west Texas so I've put some miles on the bike. I'll admit that I wasn't the fastest rider in the
group, but I kept up with most. What I want to know is 2 things (1) when do you really notice the difference?
Is it rolling on coming out of a turn? Is it just the acceleration between the turns in the twistys. Is it when accelerating
away from a traffic light? (2) Are there any others out there that had the reflash done (by Guhl or others) that thought...meh?

I most likely will need to take the advanced rider course to be able to appreciate this reflash. I look online, and there are
always about 50 beginner's classes for every advanced class and it is always (so far) on the wrong dates for me. Guhl has such
a great reputation, and I want to make it clear that I'm not bad mouthing them or their work. I have no axe to grind, I'm simply
reporting my experience and wondering out loud. Why is my experience so different? Right now I'm going with; a** insensitivity; poor
riding style. I'll do some more riding and testing and report back here. Perhaps some entrance ramp roll ons starting at 4000 rpm
in ECO mode followed by the same with the reflash mode on the same ramp will convince me.

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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #90 on: March 27, 2013, 05:55:07 pm »
XxCAM45xX, You got that right!  SWeeeet music. And the pull from low end with the reflash is much better. You may be right about ZG being a visionary.  :motonoises: :great: :beerchug:

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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #91 on: March 27, 2013, 06:43:13 pm »
I'm sure I'll get some flames on this (I'll live*) , but so far .....meh.

It's most likely my riding style, or lack there of, but.....
so far I'm thinking of the Emperor's clothes story. I couldn't be sure that they just didn't put
a GUTS sticker on it and send it back. That seems unlikely, but that's what my experience has been so far.
Perhaps my a** is dead? ( I had to say it before someone else did.)

I've read all the reviews, and I did seem to get the exact same great service that others did, Guhl called
me within 2 hours of the arrival of my ECU (according to FedEx tracking) and asked all the same questions. It was returned
quickly and there were no problems when installed and powered back up. I did get the momentary FI error that I read
everyone gets.  I declined on raising the rev limiter, I declined on raising/removing the speed limiter and I love the sound (quiet)
of my stock exhaust.   However, even with that, the earlier fly opening and improved fuel mapping should be easily noticeable, right?

I just returned from a COG ride in west Texas so I've put some miles on the bike. I'll admit that I wasn't the fastest rider in the
group, but I kept up with most. What I want to know is 2 things (1) when do you really notice the difference?
Is it rolling on coming out of a turn? Is it just the acceleration between the turns in the twistys. Is it when accelerating
away from a traffic light? (2) Are there any others out there that had the reflash done (by Guhl or others) that thought...meh?

I most likely will need to take the advanced rider course to be able to appreciate this reflash. I look online, and there are
always about 50 beginner's classes for every advanced class and it is always (so far) on the wrong dates for me. Guhl has such
a great reputation, and I want to make it clear that I'm not bad mouthing them or their work. I have no axe to grind, I'm simply
reporting my experience and wondering out loud. Why is my experience so different? Right now I'm going with; a** insensitivity; poor
riding style. I'll do some more riding and testing and report back here. Perhaps some entrance ramp roll ons starting at 4000 rpm
in ECO mode followed by the same with the reflash mode on the same ramp will convince me.

* If you must flame me, try to make it humorous at my expense. Creative humor is enjoyed by all, and does the forum justice.
Just simple name calling, not so much.


are you still running the stock pipe?
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #92 on: March 27, 2013, 07:57:35 pm »
are you still running the stock pipe?

Yep.

.... and I love the sound (quiet)
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #93 on: March 27, 2013, 08:21:05 pm »
Yep.

I run the stock pipe and still notice the difference.

Its mainly in the low end 2500-4500 RPM from my perspective. Power comes on quickly and it seems more linear. I also found the bike doesn't bog down in the lower RPMs or there not a need for it to spin up before you feel the power start to come online.

Riding twisty roads that are very familiar, I found I could ride in 3rd gear more frequently vs gearing down to 2nd.

Riding 2UP - same applies, less looking for 2nd and 3rd, 3rd and 4th, with smoother power delivery.

Yes MPG goes down....but that's the trade off.
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #94 on: March 27, 2013, 09:40:57 pm »

I run the stock pipe and still notice the difference.

Its mainly in the low end 2500-4500 RPM from my perspective. Power comes on quickly and it seems more linear. I also found the bike doesn't bog down in the lower RPMs or there not a need for it to spin up before you feel the power start to come online.

Thanks Stewart, I'll experiment more in that RPM range.

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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #95 on: March 27, 2013, 10:00:19 pm »

Thanks Stewart, I'll experiment more in that RPM range.


Or you can just look at this chart...validates my bum memory 2500/3000 to 4500/5000 RPM...look at the Torque improvements.

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,27486.0.html

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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #96 on: March 27, 2013, 11:05:51 pm »

Thanks Stewart, I'll experiment more in that RPM range.


Or you can just look at this chart...validates my bum memory 2500/3000 to 4500/5000 RPM...look at the Torque improvements.

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,27486.0.html


Or maybe the guy is like me; I don't shift until 7,000 rpms. And the C14 winds so fast, you are at 7 grand before you can say " what"? If you feel the difference at 2,500-4,000, but you don't spend but half a second there anyhow, you might not feel any difference. Maybe?
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Re: Sent my ECU to Guhl ......
« Reply #97 on: March 27, 2013, 11:12:13 pm »
Or maybe the guy is like me; I don't shift until 7,000 rpms. And the C14 winds so fast, you are at 7 grand before you can say " what"? If you feel the difference at 2,500-4,000, but you don't spend but half a second there anyhow, you might not feel any difference. Maybe?

7000 RPMs, that's all? I routinely hit 9,10+k. And just so we are clear as noted I feel the difference with the Flash at these RPMS 2,500-4,000 down low......but I love the feeling all the way to 10K.

One reason I can't ride a Harley, my stomach loves the rush of acceleration. But on the other hand Harley do have a certain rough brute nature about them off the line.
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