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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2015, 04:04:17 pm »
I see that the original poster is from the North East.  I had read somewhere that the performance of the Shorai Battery is greatly compromised during cold temps. and that the cranking power becomes much less than a conventional lead acid battery.  Mind you that I have no first hand experience and defer to the knowledge of others when it comes to this product.

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See my post above. As I wrote, we had a lot of experience with the Shorai in the ZX14 world. Everyone reported these batteries die if left in the cold. Like in winter storage. Even if on the approved store charger.

I take mine out and bring it home, and it holds a charge all winter. So I just have to hook the store charger up a day before I want to put it back in, and it will be good to go for another riding season.
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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2015, 04:26:14 pm »
Great thread.
I'm now reconsidering my efforts to install a dedicated 12v acc port to hook up my optimate to my OEM batter.  ::)

my experience with hi-powered led flashlights and the LiIon batteries that power them, has interesting relevance here.
While I have not seen noticable performance loss in colder weather with LiIon cells in flahslights, it does stand to reason that
running an LED isn't remotely close to cranking-over a large displacement 4 cylinder engine!  :-[

Higher quality cells are protected for over and undercharging with built-in circuitry, but non-protected cells are commonly used to "overdrive"
the work load, with multiple shortcomings and dangers along with the benefits.

Nevertheless, LiIon is really the way to go.  Can BILLIONS of cell phones be wrong??
Seems like a pretty tested and proven platform to me.
I can't think of any relevant data or real-world situations where fully discharging an LiIon setup is detrimental to the overall health or longevity
of said system??
Where you absolutely need to be careful, is in  the charge rates, cycles, and maintenance of said systems.
Dedicated and designed chargers should be observed and applied.

When my OEM decides to bite the dust, I will undoubtedly look to LiIon for my next battery.  My aprilia is due this year, and I may
begin there, sooner than I planned.

Thanks for all the good info.

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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2015, 07:58:44 pm »
I use theETX14 Big Crank from Battery Mart its an AGM. I have one in the ZX14, a new one just delivered $74 shipped and one in the KLR, a Big Crank brand also. Been in the ZX14 for 5 years now and works well. Bikes always on a tender. Always dump the wet cell OEM batteries.

Yes its heavy, but I don't care. Whats 11 pounds anyway. I bet no one could feel or tell the difference in 11 pounds.

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Just checked my log book, battery is only 5 years old, not 6 like I posted
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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2015, 10:23:37 pm »
http://earthxmotorsports.com/our-batteries/#technology

These are the best , why because they are fool proof as your going to get,

Shorai's will die if you let the volts go below 9 volts ... JUNK, I can send you three of them ::) the biggest they make.

Been using them for three years in my drag boat,  leave the switch on for a short time JUNK

We drain our gas tank to weigh from a crane , if the battery is drained below 9 volt's junk . 

Earthx  have a management system built in. I see in the post above it's said the Shorai has that now also?  I just went to their web site and saw nothing about low voltage protection? mine did not have any protection,
 Earthx are put together in the US.
I still have the stock battery in mine, works fine. :beerchug:   
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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2015, 10:55:01 pm »
^^^^^^^^ pic of DRAG BOAT please  :great:    :beerchug:
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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2015, 11:01:39 pm »
Good battery debate.

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Consider the reason you are buying a new battery. 

Will you notice the weight LION vs Lead? I seriously doubt it.

An Acid Battery leaking is usually a result of keeping the battery in service too long.  After 4 years, you should replace a motorcycle battery regardless. They have a service life and their capacity is significantly less after 3-4 years of heat/cold cycles, the occasional discharge that happens, etc. 

Has anyone in here been using a LION more than 4 years?  If these batteries will survive an 8 year life as a motorcycle battery, I might consider one for the extra cost.  The jury is still out on this technology in my view.

Just my thoughts on it is all.

Most likely, when I replace the battery in my C14, I will try to find an AGM deep cycle.  Not a LION.
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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2015, 11:12:43 pm »
http://earthxmotorsports.com/our-batteries/#technology

These are the best , why because they are fool proof as your going to get,

Shorai's will die if you let the volts go below 9 volts ... JUNK, I can send you three of them ::) the biggest they make.

Been using them for three years in my drag boat,  leave the switch on for a short time JUNK

We drain our gas tank to weigh from a crane , if the battery is drained below 9 volt's junk . 

Earthx  have a management system built in. I see in the post above it's said the Shorai has that now also?  I just went to their web site and saw nothing about low voltage protection? mine did not have any protection,
 Earthx are put together in the US.
I still have the stock battery in mine, works fine. :beerchug:   
http://earthxmotorsports.com/faqs/


Interesting reading on the Earthx web site. However when looking a battery for the C-14, I got this. Do you know specifically which battery works?

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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2015, 11:36:41 pm »
Ask them I'm sure you'll have to use foam to fill in the void, the terminals are the important thing.
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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2015, 11:37:30 pm »
Deltran is now marketing a Battery Tender brand of Lithium Iron Phosphate battery. The unit for the Concourse is $150.
http://www.batterytender.com/Batteries/240-CCA-Lithium-Engine-Start-Battery.html
I am not in the market for a battery for my C14 but I recently put a Battery Tender  LiFePO4 batt in my Ducati 1098 which comes with a marginal OEM batt. It is working well so far and starts the Duc reliably on the first try unlike the OEM Yuasa and two replacement Lead Acid batts.
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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2015, 11:40:51 pm »
^^^^^^^^ pic of DRAG BOAT please  :great:    :beerchug:

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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2015, 03:59:39 am »
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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2015, 04:38:22 am »
The same is true for lead acid batteries, except at  only 10v!
Deltran is now marketing a Battery Tender brand of Lithium Iron Phosphate battery. The unit for the Concourse is $150.
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I am not in the market for a battery for my C14 but I recently put a Battery Tender  LiFePO4 batt in my Ducati 1098 which comes with a marginal OEM batt. It is working well so far and starts the Duc reliably on the first try unlike the OEM Yuasa and two replacement Lead Acid batts.


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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2015, 11:22:27 am »
I've killed my stock battery dead twice by using the kill switch instead of the key and it still works fine 2011 ?
Please tell me why the stocker still works?
 Those Ion's will NOT take it at all.
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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2015, 11:28:30 am »
Most lead acid batteries can handle a few discharges over their lifespan, but it reduces the life of the battery by quite a bit.

To me, using a deep cycle is a no brainier in a bike because it's designed for this and will remain serviceable for a longer time.

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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2015, 12:03:34 pm »
http://www.batterystuff.com/kb/articles/battery-articles/gel-vs-agm.html

AGM (absorbed glass mat) is a special design glass mat designed to wick the battery electrolyte between the battery plates. AGM batteries contain only enough liquid to keep the mat wet with the electrolyte and if the battery is broken no free liquid is available to leak out.

Gel Cell batteries contain a silica type gel that the battery electrolyte is suspended in, this thick paste like material allows electrons to flow between plates but will not leak from the battery if the case is broken.

More often than not AGM Batteries are mistakenly identified as Gel Cell Batteries. Both batteries have similar traits; such as being non spillable, deep cycle, may be mounted in any position, low self discharge, safe for use in limited ventilation areas, and may be transported via Air or Ground safely without special handling.

AGM Batteries outsell Gel Cell by at least a 100 to 1. AGM is preferred when a high burst of amps may be required. In most cases recharge can be accomplished by using a good quality standard battery charger or engine alternator. The life expectancy; measured as cycle life or years remains excellent in most AGM batteries if the batteries are not discharged more than 60% between recharge. There are some AGM batteries we sell that offer excellent 80%+ deep cycle abilities.

Battery Tender Plus Gel ProfileGel Cell Batteries are typically a bit more costly and do not offer the same power capacity as do the same physical size AGM battery. The Gel Cell Battery excels in slow discharge rates and slightly higher ambient operating temperatures. One big issue with Gel Batteries that must be addressing is the GEL CHARGE PROFILE. Gel Cell Batteries must be recharged correctly or the battery will suffer premature failure. The battery charger being used to recharge the battery(s) must be designed or adjustable for Gel Cell Batteries. If you are using an alternator to recharge a true Gel Cell a special regulator must be installed.

If you are unsure which battery or charger is best for your application, please call or email our tech people for help making the correct selection

http://www.batterystuff.com/kb/articles/battery-articles/scorpion-stinger-lithium-series-batteries.html





A couple months ago we received a new battery line from Scorpion. These new batteries are an example of the latest and greatest in battery technology, and represent a giant leap forward in Powersports starting applications. We’ve actually been secretly testing these batteries for the last year in a few applications, including a Harley Sportster and an offroad KTM. You might be thinking, “meh…who cares” If that is the case, hang on and I will lay out some of the advantages, as well as some of the pitfalls of going to a LiFePo4 battery in your ride.

Scorpion Stinger ProsThe obvious main advantage is that they are extremely light. These LiFePo4 batteries have an energy density that is roughly 3 times that of a lead acid based battery. In layman’s terms that means lithium batteries will be about 1/3 the weight of lead batteries, but maintain equal capacity. This is then magnified in the way that Lithium batteries discharge. If you were to look at a graph of the power discharge of a LiFePo4 vs. a lead battery, you would see that lithium holds a very flat line right up until the end, while lead acid really begins to drop at about 60 % discharge. This effectively means that Lithium has more usable capacity, Ah per Ah. In the end were trying to say that a 10 lb lead battery can be replaced with a 2lb Lithium

Scorpion Stinger batteries also hold a higher resting voltage than typical Powersports batteries. When it comes to electricity, Voltage = pressure. Pressure (or in this case voltage) is what turns your starter over. So in effect, a higher voltage will turn your starter motor over faster than one with a lower voltage. Our testing has shown that for the first 10 seconds of load, or cranking, the Scorpion Stinger holds up to 1 volt higher than Lead, and nearly the same over other LiFePo4 batteries we have tested.

Scorpion Stinger Cons and PitfallsOk, I mentioned that there are some pitfalls. The first is that while these are great starting batteries, they are not designed for zero loss, or deep cycle applications. They are designed with weight in mind and will not perform as well as a lead battery when cycled deeply. Secondly, they are a bit more sensitive to temperature than Lead batteries. They don’t perform as well as a comparable AGM type battery when the temperature drops below about 20 degrees, and they also are more sensitive to heat. We don’t recommend these be installed in an application where the battery cannot get any cooling air, such as surrounded by an oil tank, or directly on top of a motor. Third, they must not be charged at over 15.5 volts. ALWAYS check your charging system prior to installation to make sure your stator or alternator never produces more than that 15.5 volts. Higher voltage can cause these batteries to melt down.

One more thing. Despite what may be a common misconception, Lithium batteries are actually much cleaner and greener than the lead based batteries that they are replacing. Everything from the manufacturing process to end of life disposal is easier on our environment and produces less waste than old acid batteries.
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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2015, 12:09:07 pm »
http://www.batterystuff.com/kb/articles/battery-articles/shorai-lfx-lithium-iron-phosphate-batteries-abuse-test.html



Shorai LFX Lithium Iron Phosphate Batteries Abuse Test

Shorai Abuse Test

Shorai Lithium Iron BatteryLithium Iron Phosphate. At first thought, it sounds like a vitamin supplement that I should be taking to calm my nerves and keep the doctor away. While it won’t calm the nerves or help the joints, Lithium Iron Phosphate is actually a battery chemistry that allows for superior energy storage in a much lighter than lead package.

Also known as LiFePO4, and in this case LFX, Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries have finally made it to the world of powersports. Sure, for a few years there have been some industrious independent entrepreneurs packaging round power tool batteries into a format that works in Powersports applications. But now, with the introduction of Shorai LFX powersports batteries, there is now a purpose built battery that has been designed from the ground up to do exactly what a motorcycle battery should do. Simply put that means it will fit correctly in its application, and start your engine time and time again.

Without going into too much technical detail, the square modular cells built into each Shorai LFX batteries are the perfect solution for starting your bike reliably while at the same time shaving some serious weight. When I say serious weight, I mean serious weight. When we first received a pair of Shorai LFX batteries for testing I was truly blown away by how light these batteries really are.

Side by Side with a YTZ7SFor testing purposes we received a pair of batteries that are meant to replace the common YTZ7S that is found in most all dirt bikes, including virtually all KTM's, Yamaha's and our mighty shop Husaberg FE450. We requested one battery for 'track' purposes, and one for heavier use, such as trail riding with plenty of re-starts throughout the day. What we received was the LFX07L2-BS12, and the LFX14L2-BS12. The manufacturer rates these batteries at 102 and 210 CCA respectively. Weighing in at 1.01 lbs for the LFX07, and 1.61 lbs for the LFX14, these batteries are remarkably lighter than the battery they replace. In fact, when weighed on our UPS certified scale the stock YTZ7S showed a portly 4.7 lbs. In case your math skill matches mine, that is just over a 3 lb savings for the LFX14 and about a 3.7 lb saving for the track version.

Shorai Lithium Iron Battery
As far as fit and finish, Shorai has really gone above and beyond. Having personally spent quite a number of years in and around batteries, these appear to be a very high quality unit, manufactured to a standard not often achieved. In the world of lead acid batteries, there are a few that do shine. Yuasa, Odyssey, Scorpion among a few select others have always been above the curve, and it appears that this new entry has the old guard firmly in its crosshairs.

So, good looking, good feeling and nice and trim... But enough about me. How do they perform? Well, we’ve only had time to do a short term test, but so far I am once again impressed. We installed the track and race version(LFX07L2-BS12) into an 2009 Husaberg FE450 for a test. Being a fuel injected, no kickstart bike it is the perfect candidate to test the battery on. Using the included foam spacers, this was a drop in fit that was quickly done with no drama.

Nuts and Bolts
OK, I admit, I dropped one of the battery terminal nuts into a black hole that apparently exists in the space-time continuum residing below the Husaberg. I am sure one day it will turn up with all my missing socks. No worries though, apparently Shorai knew who would be doing the install, and have seen fit to include an extra nut and bolt set with each battery. Nice touch. After the install it was time to abuse the heck out of the battery to see what it will do.

Freeze Test...and Hashbrowns
30 starts later, including three 10 second attempts with the kill button pressed, this battery is still starting the bike as it did the very first time. Keep in mind, this is the ‘race’ version of the battery. We will actually be installing the trail friendly version for our long term test, and the lighter duty battery will be heading over to Steahly Offroad for long term residence in their new KTM 350 SX shop bike. So our initial test looks real good, but one thing our tech guys have been concerned about is cold weather starting.

Lithium Iron Phosphate traditionally does not work to it's full potential in cold climates, at least until it warms up under a working load. We wanted to see how these new, specifically designed square cells stacked up. After all, a little bit of cold weather never keeps you off your bike, now does it? It has been pretty wet in these parts lately, but not much below about 40 degrees Fahrenheit. Thanks to shuffling some goodies around in our break room freezer (I was afraid to touch the used tater tots, so don’t ask) we were able to put the two test batteries in the little freezer overnight to cool them down.

Side by SideAbout 24 hours later, we removed them for a final bit of abuse before installing long term. Once again, for testing purposes, we installed the iced LFX7 in the Husaberg. It started immediately with no hint of a burden. We then shut the bike off and did 3, 10 second hits with a thumb on the kill button. When the kill button was released, the bike fired immediately, again no hint of a strain.

One thing we failed to mention regarding the bike setup is the installed Revloc Dyna Ring auto clutch. The Dyna ring clutch tends to drag a fair bit when cold, and we did all these tests in gear which substantially increased the drag on the starter and the battery over what it would have been if we tested the battery while the bike was in neutral.

In the Mighty Husaburg
The long and the short of it is we can find no downside to using one of these batteries for both the weight savings and how well they turn the bike over. Given how long this type of cell is expected to last, the economy of it also makes sense. They include a 2 year manufacturer warranty, so if any issues do arise, Shorai has got you covered. Over the next few months of winter, our staff expect to fully and completely abuse this battery to see how it holds up. We will let you know how things turn out!

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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2015, 12:13:38 pm »
In a hot climate, the harshest environment for a battery, a Johnson Controls survey of junk batteries revealed that the average life of a car battery was 37 months. In a separate North American study by BCI, the average life was 48 months. In a study by Interstate Batteries, the life expectancy in extreme heat was 30 months. If your car battery is more than three years old and you live in a hot climate, then your battery is probably living on borrowed time.


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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2015, 01:22:26 pm »
I have thrown away 6 lead acid batteries that were useless after 1 discharge, it all depends on how long they sit discharged. Your stocker still works because you caught it in time.

I am new to  LiFePO4  and am not advocating their use on the typical regularly ridden bike such as my C14 and VFR. I got one for the 1098 Ducati because it often sits idle for two week or more at a time and the OEM was inadequate. I do have it on a  LiFePO4  spec tender.

As I said I am new to  LiFePO4  and I don't usually jump on something new especially if it costs a lot more. They main reason for my post was to mention the less expensive  LiFePO4  marketed by Deltran/Battery tender.



I've killed my stock battery dead twice by using the kill switch instead of the key and it still works fine 2011 ?
Please tell me why the stocker still works?
 Those Ion's will NOT take it at all.

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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2015, 05:00:16 pm »
When this stock battery dies I'll get a Odyssey , very high quality , I have one that lasted eight years in a ATV Can-Am traxter, we use them in our off shore boat , a place where you don't ever want to break down.
The ONLY reason we use a Ion battery in the drag boat is to make weight, one class we run the boat with driver has to weigh 1,540lb after the race the other class 1,400 lb. in order to get to 1400 we have to use Ion's .

http://www.odysseybattery.com/
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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2015, 07:05:20 pm »
http://earthxmotorsports.com/our-batteries/#technology

These are the best , why because they are fool proof as your going to get,

Shorai's will die if you let the volts go below 9 volts ... JUNK, I can send you three of them ::) the biggest they make.

Been using them for three years in my drag boat,  leave the switch on for a short time JUNK

We drain our gas tank to weigh from a crane , if the battery is drained below 9 volt's junk . 

Earthx  have a management system built in. I see in the post above it's said the Shorai has that now also?  I just went to their web site and saw nothing about low voltage protection? mine did not have any protection,
 Earthx are put together in the US.
I still have the stock battery in mine, works fine. :beerchug:   
http://earthxmotorsports.com/faqs/


Interesting reading on the Earthx web site. However when looking a battery for the C-14, I got this. Do you know specifically which battery works?

1400cc ZG1400 Concours/Ninja ZX-14R, ABS
No products were found matching your selection.



I emailed sales about the battery option not showing for the C-14.  It was a glitch.  Here is the answer back.

Thank you for you inquiry and the battery you need is the ETX18C, or if you want to upgrade, the ETX24C or ERX36C. I have fixed the website so the problem you pointed out is now corrected, thank you!


Sincerely,
Kathy Nicoson
EarthX Lithium Batteries
Global Sales Director
(970) 301-6064
Fax: (970) 674-9544
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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2015, 07:29:30 pm »
http://earthxmotorsports.com/shop/etx18c/

$219 is not a small pill to swallow for sure.

BUT if it lasts, its worth it.  It says UP-TO 8 years.  If it actually lasts 8 years, then its worth it.

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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #47 on: February 23, 2015, 10:04:13 pm »
I believe the Shorai requires a special load/cell balancing charger  (at least the Shorai in my KTM does) whereas the EarthX has the balancer  electronics  built in- no special charger required.
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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #48 on: February 23, 2015, 10:57:32 pm »

"$219 is not a small pill to swallow for sure."

$181.00 & free shipping from Amazon for the LFX21A6-BS12, (21 AH) which is Shorai's recommended battery for the Concours
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"I believe the Shorai requires a special load/cell balancing charger  (at least the Shorai in my KTM does) whereas the EarthX has the balancer  electronics  built in- no special charger required."

NOT TRUE with most.   The KTM battery is the only one listed that must use their charger.  You can charge with any "smart charger without desulfation mode", which is most of them.  True, you shouldn't leave them on after it's 100% charged, although I have without any issues. 
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Re: Shorai Battery
« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2015, 12:57:25 am »
I dunno, guys... I personally see no compelling reason to buy anything other than the $75 AGM batteries I have in my C14, my KLR, and my Wave Runner. Cheap, reliable, long-lasting, vibration tolerant, non-spilling...what more could I want?

YMMV, I suppose.
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